It finally happened!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so happy I stuck by my man Obama's side and he did not let me down. Obamacare is now law. I read over the final version (no not all 1990pgs) but enough to get the general idea. Yes Obama did disapoint me some, there are things that I think should have been in there like the public option and tort reform but all in all it is a good start. Finally we have someone in office who is not afraid to take chances and do what is needed for his country rather then his political career. So to all you nay sayers out there this is for you YAY OBAMACARE

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Quickly..! Put one of these on..!


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Oh crap...abandon ship, someone actually posted something positive

meh...thats all.

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I'm flame proof right now. I know Im asking for it by posting this but this is a huge victory for america. Everyone may not see yet but wait. They said the same thing when Social security and medicare were passed. This is socialism this is communism blah blah blah even the "great" regan said so but now it is considere a good thing that the country actually needed. Give it time people will relize that this is a very good thing.

Exactly! Thanks for someone finally making this thread. He ran on a platform that included this and he did it. I like the fact that he maybe is throwing away his political career because of something that is for the better of the people. He wasn't too afraid of that to push for what is right. I'm very happy too.

The health care reform bill is actually not law yet, it still has to cross the United States Senate and be signed by President Obama but that will happen barring some massive turn of events.

I do have to congratulate the Democrats on this, I didn't think they would pull it off for a while there. I will plead with them however to make this just a first step. There are still quite a few things that the bill does not address, and the hopefully the journey will have America ending with a trim, effective and affordable health care system for all that wish to partake in it.

One of the big compromises that I did actually like in the bill is that the penalty for not partaking in the system is nothing. This is actually a good thing I believe because there are persons for whom there are religious or philosophical differences with modern health care. America has shown with this that they are still willing to protect the rights of minority populations while providing a system in which the majority can have a better quality of life.

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They said the same thing when Social security and medicare were passed. This is socialism this is communism blah blah blah

And how did they end up?

Not saying this health care business will end up in the trash, but I was under the impression those programs aren't exactly... 'working well'.

I am reserving judgement on if this is good or bad until after 2012, because I'll be damned if they try to force me to buy life insurance before we all die...

And besides, I probably won't have the bill read by then anyways.

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what you are saying, is that you support the fact that government will raise taxes once again in order for the healthcare to go go thru, also if someone that can't afford or can't get health insurance when they were denied previously cause of a condition that they can't get health insurance, being fined for not having health insurance. did you know that people that have type 2 diabities and people with certain cancers can't get health insurance. tell me, what are you going to do with them. make them pay a crazy amount of premium? thats retarded. btw, the healthcare reform is over 4,000 pages. not a little over 1,000 pages.

other states have already agreed to file a lawsuit once Obama signs it. this reform will bring in less jobs, meaning more people laid off, higher premium rates for people that have health insurance, since less jobs will come, then less money will be put out in other retail markets, state and federal taxes will go up, less and less small businessed will start dieing out, market collapse, lets just say that USA will end up like Greece in the end. Bankrupt. this is not going to resolve anything other then the government getting more money in their pockets.

out of curiousity, can you tell me 1 good thing that Obama has done to help this country? i can't think of anything so far. fyi i am neither democrat or republic, so that has nothing to do with it.

Why is everyone so quick to jump over on the border with obama?

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It sounds like you are so giddy over this that you are foaming at the mouth.
I bet after they have you bend over and receive the deluxe Jiffy Lube,
you just might be changing your mind. Good luck with your tremendous
love for Barak.

Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
The health care reform bill is actually not law yet, it still has to cross the United States Senate and be signed by President Obama but that will happen barring some massive turn of events.

President Obama on Tuesday is expected to sign into law the health care overhaul, but the battle over alterations demanded by House Democrats is just beginning in the Senate.www.washingtontimes.com...

That the hose just passed will be law tomorrow. It is the admendments to it that still need to go to the senate and be voted on. Probley by reconciliation

I do have to congratulate the Democrats on this, I didn't think they would pull it off for a while there. I will plead with them however to make this just a first step. There are still quite a few things that the bill does not address, and the hopefully the journey will have America ending with a trim, effective and affordable health care system for all that wish to partake in it.

One of the big compromises that I did actually like in the bill is that the penalty for not partaking in the system is nothing. This is actually a good thing I believe because there are persons for whom there are religious or philosophical differences with modern health care. America has shown with this that they are still willing to protect the rights of minority populations while providing a system in which the majority can have a better quality of life.

I think we see eye to eye on this. Could not have said it better myself

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I never said that social security and medicare were perfect. I'd be a damn fool to say that. But the majority of americans will admit that they are need programs that just need some work. (well ok a lot of work)

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Well you got that part right.

"That the hose just passed will be law tomorrow."

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It's not about health care.

It's about population control

and

further shredding of the Constitution.

I think there's at least 10--maybe 20 different parts of the bill that are clearly UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

It will NOT save money in the least but futher bankrupt the country.

The provision for stiff fines and imprisonment if one doesn't purchase health insurance is hideous.

www.freerepublic.com...

Twenty Things You May Not Know About ObamaCare
American Catholic ^ | March 22, 2010

Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 2:59:02 PM by NYer

Now that ObamaCare has become law rather than just the fevered dream of leftie bloggers, it is time to begin discovering what is in it. David Hogberg begins the process at Investor’s Business Daily.

1. You are young and don’t want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the “privilege.” (Section 1501)

2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. You’ll have to pay for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. That’s because insurance companies will no longer be able to underwrite on the basis of a person’s health status. (Section 2701).

3. You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer. (Section 2711).

4. Think you’d like a policy that is cheaper because it doesn’t cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services or offer them with cost-sharing, even if that’s what the customer wants. (Section 2712).

5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesn’t allow your employers’ slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714).

6. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care.

You’re a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. You’re a woman who can’t have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. You’re a teetotaler? Tough, your policy must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own
violation of personal freedom here.) (Section 1302).

. . .

(continued at the link)

www.freerepublic.com...

from above:

List of Constitutional Violations in Healthcare bill


Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 7:04:02 PM by JimWayne

Article 1, Section 7 - All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.

First Amendment (Establishment Clause) and Fourteenth Amendment (Equal Protection Clause) - [Quote: "Exempts from the coverage requirement individuals who object to health care coverage on religious grounds"]: Although the courts allowed the Amish not to pay Social Security tax, this bill would be different if it exempts the Amish and Muslims from participating in the system while forcing the Catholics to participate in it.

Article 1, sections 1 and 8 (Powers of the Congress) and Article 5 (Procedure to Amend the Constitution) - [Quote: "It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection."] - The quoted text effectively amends the Constitution and abridges the law-making authority of Congress. This has been done without two-thirds majority.

. . . .

Fourth Amendment - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated

Fifth Amendment - nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Tenth Amendment - The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

. . .

(thread continues at link)

There is a provision in the law that the health care authority SHALL HAVE--NO OPTION--SHALL HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR BANK ACCOUNT--essentially to TAKE a payment it deems fitting.

16 THOUSAND IRS agents are to be hired to police compliance with the bill.

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Last I checked, there's a provision in the bill that those receiving care will have to have the MARK OF THE BEAST ID COMPUTER CHIP IMPLANT IN THEIR BODIES.

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Again, THIS BILL IS NOT ABOUT HEALTH CARE.

It is about enslavement and insuring that more "useless eaters" die sooner.

Congrats on helping the march of tyranny in our once great land.

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One of the big compromises that I did actually like in the bill is that the penalty for not partaking in the system is nothing. This is actually a good thing I believe because there are persons for whom there are religious or philosophical differences with modern health care. America has shown with this that they are still willing to protect the rights of minority populations while providing a system in which the majority can have a better quality of life.

Wait... what bill did YOU read, if any at all? Penalty for not partaking is NOTHING? That is funny because from what I read and saw, they are going to force my to partake OR take my income forcefully. Doesn't sound like "no penalty" for me.

The whole statement about protecting "minority rights"... WHAT?

First of all, 90% of any polls I've seen has had supporters of this bill in the minority. I can understand that polls aren't 100% accurate, but statistically speaking - it speaks for itself.

How exactly were anybodies rights protected by this bill? Since when is "health care to everybody" a right?




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Yeah bro, "your man" Obama since you in him are home boys. Comparing this to social security and medicare, the two biggest system failures in US politics as a good first step to realize where this is going. So sad they choose to do it while our country is bankrupt and thus plunging us into the abyss even more.

Apparently you see "eye to eye" with the statement that the minority's rights were protected or some BS, and I have a way you COULD have said it better yourself.

"Nobody's rights were protected."








A means to an end is all some people care about. Common US government thinking.

Let's blow up a building full of civilians because there is a terrorist inside. It's NECESSARY.

Let's allow illegal wiretapping and spying on American citizens. It's NECESSARY.

Let's pass some health reform and forget about the legislation infringing on the rights of the people, not to mention their voice. It's NECESSARY.




By the sounds of it, those who support it are the ones that read the following:

30+ million people are going to get insurance.
Limits on preexisting conditions.
Can now stay on parents insurance longer.



Now I'm sure the other 1999 pages of information are just as glorifying and grand as that information, so let's ignore them. After all, it is for the greater good, we NEED reform, the ends justify the means, and let's not forget - it's necessary.

Originally posted by crow618
reply to post by jmotley

 

what you are saying, is that you support the fact that government will raise taxes once again in order for the healthcare to go go thru, also if someone that can't afford or can't get health insurance when they were denied previously cause of a condition that they can't get health insurance, being fined for not having health insurance.

Maybe you should read some of the bill first before you comment. just to make sure you have your facts straight. On page 3 section 100 line 5 it states and I quote "The purpose of this division
is to provide affordable, quality health care for all American"

did you know that people that have type 2 diabities and people with certain cancers can't get health insurance. tell me, what are you going to do with them. make them pay a crazy amount of premium? thats retarded.

page 5 "national high-risk pool" Yes the primeums would be high till 2014 when the rest of the bill takes effect but at least they will have coverage. Its a start. Also see page 16 line line 21

btw, the healthcare reform is over 4,000 pages. not a little over 1,000 pages.

check this link docs.house.gov... This is what was just passed 1990 pages. If you want info go to the source.

other states have already agreed to file a lawsuit once Obama signs it.

Yes this is true but it would never pass. For this to be repealed it would require the potus to sign it. If the take it the courts then they will see how this no more infringes on the state sovernighty then social security or medicare. this would be a nail in the coffin of the GOP.
Congress has clear authority to pass this type of legislation and under the supremacy clause that makes federal law supreme.

this reform will bring in less jobs, meaning more people laid off, higher premium rates for people that have health insurance, since less jobs will come, then less money will be put out in other retail markets, state and federal taxes will go up, less and less small businessed will start dieing out, market collapse, lets just say that USA will end up like Greece in the end. Bankrupt. this is not going to resolve anything other then the government getting more money in their pockets.

Sounds to me like your trying to pass your opinion off as fact. Show me some proof on this

out of curiousity, can you tell me 1 good thing that Obama has done to help this country? i can't think of anything so far. fyi i am neither democrat or republic, so that has nothing to do with it.

Well lets see the biggest of course is health care, set a withdraw date for iraq and and a timetable for afganistain, pushed us back from the brink of a full blown economic depression, has saved/created jobs through his stimlius package (fyi just as with bush I was not a fan of the stimulis package but they both worked), vastly improved the way the rest of the world thinks about America, here you can look for yourself. www.politifact.com...

YAY!!!!! The puppet fulfilled his destiny -- just as his strings were pulled. I wonder what the puppet masters have in store for him next?

We will wait and see. Hope you like that as much as you like this. Time will tell. And, I have no idea what else they have in mind for him.

Originally posted by Seeker Mom
And, I have no idea what else they have in mind for him.

North American Union
and the decline of the dollar
to the Amero. That was due in 2010
remember???

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You must be a guard at one of the prisons that people will be sent to when they refuse to pay for the socialist health care...

then comes fines...which I think is horse#!

Don't pay the fine...go to jail
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"If you like your plan...keep it"

What if my plan is to not have insurance?

am I "free" to do that

The Sheeple have Spoken ! Now you can all go get you Chip Implant and spend the rest of your natural born days as a Corporate Slave in your Pretty Little Nightmare Nanny State ..... .

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