Is Democracy the Problem?

Note to mods: I read the top thread sticky and believe this belongs here but if not of course go ahead and move it.

Democracy is the Problem Not the Answer!

Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution lists the powers enumerated to the Federal government of which there are only 17. Most people realize now that those 17 have been far exceeded. What most people don't realize is most of those have nothing whatsoever to do with the people or the men and women themselves. For instance regulating commerce between the states had nothing to do with Joe blow selling something to John doe in another state. It only had to do with the state governments trading with other state governments.

Even if you disagree with that it is plain congress has no right to pass laws regarding what health care if any you choose to use or implement an national police force or regulate energy etc. etc.. If you want to see a Witch doctor for an aliment that is your business! Or whether you wear a set belt or grow a certain type plant in your yard etc. The basic foundation of the law is "oppress no one". As long as you are not oppressing, harming, or violating anyone's rights, there is no crime period!

Even most of the state organic Constitutions have something to the effect that all political power is inherent in the people. That is what so many Americans have forgotten or rather have no memory of. All the things like Health care and the bailouts and individual taxes etc, etc, are completely outside the scope of authority of Congress, the President, the Supreme court, and even the state governments. The Constitution in article 4 promises a republican form of government not a democracy (and were not talking about the republican party, but a free republic).

What happened? How has this been erased from the collective memory of the American mindset? It started almost from the beginning however the turning point was the Buck Act in 1935. Where everything was flipped from the republic to a Federal Municipal Corporate Democracy and no one said no. Now for almost 50 years no one except a very few have said no and silence is considered acquiescence. If you as a group of people picked a delegate to represent lets say your district as a group and at the meeting and you were all there and your delegate stood up and spoke in favor of a measure totally against your collective will and all of you said or did nothing to stop your delegate from going against your will and the measure was passed would that not be tacit agreement? Well that is how socialist democracy has been approved of in this country. Not enough said no and everyone has accepted the benefits of the democracy in place of their sovereign rights. In short most of what congress does it has no authority to do at all and does not apply to the men and women themselves accept by your own tacit agreement. NO ONE IS SAYING; NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY. Everyone is running around saying oh we have to vote them out instead. Don't you just love democracy...?

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Now we have several generations who seem to think congress and even their state legislatures has a right to vote on every aspect of their lives when they do not. And now everyone is running around trying to get 51% on their side so they can tell the other 49% what to do. Continuing to participate in the democracy perpetuates it and perpetuates the ever increasing misery it is causing. DEMOCRACY IS THE PROBLEM NOT THE ANSWER.

Now most informed people will agree with this premise in principle but then will turn around and say yeah but if we do not participate [ in the democracy] we will loose all control. What many don't realize is we have already lost all control and because of our participation in democracy and our leaving the republican form, that is why we seem to be in such an impossible situation. Sort of like being on a hamster wheel. We keep running on the wheel but getting nowhere except increasingly exhausted and frustrated but are afraid to get off because we see nowhere else to go and fear if the wheel stops turning we will have nothing left but the walls of the cage to look at.

So what is the solution. The solution is to repopulate the republic and began to operate as the men and women who built this nation once did. That is to assemble on our counties and judicial districts of tens of fifties, and hundreds. etc. this may seem foreign to many because as I said most have no memory of operating on the republics. So the answer is to learn how to do it peacefully and orderly and let the democracy die of attrition.

See this thread for more details on a solution: www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Excellent post, hope you do not mind, I am going to post a link to my thread.

The Democracy Conspiracy

I will add your thread to mine to link the two. People need to understand the 600,000+ statutes ruling them are extra Constitutional.

Democracy leads to tyranny just as any other form does. At least with a Constitutional Republic the sheep have guns.

S&F

I am so sick of hearing about "American Democracy" or democracy period I thought I would revive this thread. Democracy is not mentioned in the constitution for a reason folks! It is nothing but mob rules the founders abhorred it and for good reason.

The constitution was written to protect individual rights and restrict government not give government full control. The 51% do not have the right to tell the 49% what to do as long as they are not harming anyone or violating their rights. Democracy is the problem. You do not have a right to vote on what I do period! Until the people realize this we will continue on this path of destruction. Hoping for a corrupt government to correct things if we give them more power is just insanity...

Great post, OP, Star and Flag.

"For all this talk of Democracy, people seem to forget that we are not a Democracy, we are a Republic"
- President Barlett, "The West Wing"

Never was a quote more apt for our day and age.

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The ones that has made the government larger and overstepping the powers of the Republic is the private interest that is now controlling our government.

It is in the best interest to promote their version of Democracy and Capitalism in order to cement their control over the populations, when you have private interest ruling over the rights of the people due to private interest funding you know that our nation is neither a Democracy and the Republic is death, we are ina type of tyrannical ruling that I like to call the corporate dictatorship.

They control the writing, ruling and passing of laws, no the people and they are behind the control and ration of worlds economies.

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Well it seems few are even interested in exploring this guess the indoctrination is to deep for most...

Robert A. Dahl is a "Sterling Professor Emeritus of Political Science and Sr. Research Scientist Sociology, is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, the American Philosophical Society and the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, a corresponding member of the British Academy, and a past President of the American Political Science Association." He is also the author of How Democratic Is the American Constitution? This sleight book written by a Yale professor with a sleight mind compares the U.S. federal Constitutional government against many European nations offering up countless graphs to illustrate just how woefully short of democracy the United States falls. Dahl attempts to present this as some sort of problem our Founders could have never envisioned because of innovation and change in democratic techniques. In this sleight book of Dahl's the what he fails to show is the actual text of the Constitution itself.

Imagine that! A critique of the Constitution for the United States of America that declines to actually offer up the text to that Constitution itself, and why? Why because that Constitution is expressly anti-democratic in its nature and expressly guarantees each state a republican form of government. Sigh. Robert A. Dahl is just another American Idiot.

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Maybe I should have titled the post "The Democracy Conspiracy" because that is what it is Democracy is the conspiracy that has undermined the constitution. As James Madison said: Democracy is the right of the people to choose their own tyrants.