The Phobos Space Station?

reply to post by Internet Explorer

even though his conclusions sometimes are definitely a reach

His conclusions are always way above and out of reach.

Here's hoping his conclusions here are at least somewhat credible

How many chances will you give him before you decide he's a huge waste of your time?

Internet Explorer, crash crash crash, well... just like Internet Explorer.

I've looked at all the links members have posted in this thread.........could someone point me to the link that shows an image of a 20 mile long ship?

Or is this the image that went "missing"?

reply to post by john124


Apparently you have spent a lot of time going through the information that Hoagland has proffered and found it wanting. So what? What have you told us?

After five posts of the exact same expression of opinion, shut up until you have something to say or at least cite his failures. A pedantic annoyance is all that this is/was.

Hoagland spends time on top of pyramids and predicts what characteristics will be expressed on a cable network and reports are that they have been verified.

His predictions about 'The Face's' symmetry are verified. His true color analysis of Mars and Moon anomalies have been independently confirmed. If the space agencies provided clean data, we would not need a Hoagland, Skipper, Bara, etc.

Quit blaming the wounded and burnt messenger for being late and providing smudged documents.

Cool thread, but where are the images?!!?! I quite like Hoagland but if he really has images of a big space ship then he should be posting them somewhere, otherwise surely he's just as bad as NASA.... potentially hiding things from us for whatever reason. It's possible the whole thing's a publicity stunt, but until the pics turn up then who knows? Could be very cool.



[edit on 21-3-2010 by eightfold]

Originally posted by ArMaP

As for his "enhanced" images, I think he could upload them anywhere, if he was that interested in it, there are many free file sharing services available today, this isn't 1992.

Hehe, maybe his excuse will be that he didn't want to crash other people's websites.....

Originally posted by spikey
reply to post by Aliensun

 

I'm confused by this part of your post.

How is R.H. being dishonest with us, when the hypothesis (which isn't even a theory), is according to you 'more or less' of an hypothesis?

If someone takes a different view from a half arsed hypothesis, does that make them dishonest? Of course it doesn't.

Where has he been dishonest?

I'm sorry that seems obscure. I'm saying that it has been known since the Vikings and Phobos 2 probes that the moonlet is too light weight (more correctly, has less mass) than what a solid asteroidal body should have for its outside dimensions. Over the decades an endless stream of infrequently papers have hypothesized reasons for that situation.

A Russian first proposed the unthinkable concept that it had vast--and I mean vast--voids within. Western scientists hated that possibility for what it implied. They've tried describing them as clumped masses, similar to joined bowling balls with a lot of open area inbetween. Some suggested water in the place of open areas, and that didn't set too well. Finally, the best solution seemed to be fissures filled with ice. The only problem--actually, there are two problems. First, how did all of that water get in there to freeze in deep space and what caused the tremendeous amount of fissures in the first place?

Second, I don't think they have dared discuss the point that while water has less mass than an equal portion of rock, and filled the voids, than that would require an even far, far greater proportion of water ice than if the voids were entirely empty. Sort of a Catch-22!

There is absolutely no way that Hoagland would have not know about this area of conflicting hypothesises from back in the early 1980s to the present, no way.
So it is dishonest (at least) for him to prentend that it is news to him.

when i first hoglands theories i thought he was insane, but as i actually fact checked the evidence and alot of what he said makes sense.

Remember, he used to work for NASA. Its fair-game to say there is a smear campaign against him.

look up mars anomalies and youll see some interesting things on the NASA images.

www.marsanomalyresearch.com is a good site to check out.

reply to post by john124

Hey buddy, your opinion isn't so important that it requires 5 separate posts

Originally posted by john124
Internet Explorer, crash crash crash, well... just like Internet Explorer.

Cheap shot imo

Originally posted by john124
How many chances will you give him before you decide he's a huge waste of your time?

There are very few credible people in this field, but I find Hoagland's perspective interesting - in what ways is your research better than his?

reply to post by LiveForever8


its a long time ago, maybe 30 or 40 years, but i recall the russians announcing that mars' moons are artificial. they deduced this mathematically.

What I find most interesting about the HD pics is that most of the cracks, grooves, or striations, or whatever they are are almost perfectly parallel, almost like penstripes. The other almost unbelievable feature is that another set of pinstripes intersects at what looks like a perfect 90 degree angle. I am not going to say that something like that could not happen naturally but what are the odds? Billions or Trillions to one. Especially considering that any object capable of making perfectly parallel lines would have to be miles wide, or would have to make multiple passes, or both. The multiple passes combined with the 90 degree angle immediately implies an intelligence at work.

The moon IS the spaceship... get it? Fortunately, the website "crashed," so now we can talk about the "conspiracy" instead of the evidence. *whew*

It's cool to let our minds run wild along with R.H. but do you guys really think whoever is running the show would let some photos like that slip? Personally, I have an EXTREMELY hard time believing that those photos would make it into the public.. Being a whistle blower is one thing, but to smuggle that kind of evidence out of a deep black operation is honestly unheard of, and for good reason.

Whoever posted that wordpress forum picture on page 3 though, that image is as plain as day. Definitely NOT a rock or a rat[hahaha...]. I'd like to get more details on that.

reply to post by LiveForever8


I want to see the pics also, I'll try to find them. Also what was taken down was the Hidden Missions Forum section of his website not the whole site, I will post the link to his site. I believe its 1 of 3 things. One, he forgot to pay the server fees that hold his forum (ya, I know I don't buy that either). Two, somebody who watches conspiracy or certain site forums was alerted and started the procedure to shutdown that part of the site without thinking that the guy may put the pics up on his mainsite. Three, the PTB and other agencies don't have the people to watch everything so they have bots that are continously updated to look for certain things that shouldn't be known or are guessed upon. Then when this key wording or image number is encountered in a search online, they are alerted and/or the computers send out a request automatically that said site should be shutdown for awhile until they could get a real person to look at it.

keithlaney.net...

well

I think its just irresponsible on his part to talk about spaceship without presenting any proofs

why couldnt he wait before talking about that

couldnt he at least post whatever he had on him at the moment, even if it wasnt a total clear picture

man, its weird ...

reply to post by inlandempire88


no

the thing is that the pics he is talking about are from an europe agency and, they are bad altered, so, he thinks who did the pic alterations made it on purpose so people could find out whats really out there

so, I get it how could he get the pics, because they are public, but, he is saying that they did a poor job to cover it up ... no hurry, lets see

but if it really is an alien thing, this guy will be threatened

reply to post by Mr Mask

But once it all falls apart and "Hoggy-and-friends" take an epic dump on their own credibility by failing to produce anything news worthy- then I stand as correct (or just a soothsayer).

Mask you tend to cut through B.S. like butter through a goose. I always
give great consideration to what you say. This thread is no different.
I realise these claims to be out landish. Still you have to give credit to
Hoagland. For at the very least, his talent for stringing fiction in with the truth. It's not wrong to hope something comes of his sharades sometime. You know what I'm getting at.

The things he puts out are kind of fun to think about. So I don't know,
it's meesed up if people take it to seriously. Some how that might be on them though. There's no one out there adding things in the mix like he is.
So anyway for now unless something different ever goes on. I look at this kind of stuff, the same way some people like to watch Pro wrestling.
Like sure it's fake. But then again it isn't fake at all.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by randyvs]

Originally posted by ucalien
reply to post by argentus

 

I'd love to be surprised though, and appreciate your sharing this story. Credible evidence of artificial satellites apart from Earth would be wonderous.

Google for the former Russian pilot, Col. Marina "Lady MIG" Popovich. She has confirmed that Phobos is a hollow body, with a space station within. Also she originally released that pic, taken by Phobos II probe, showing a 20 miles long cigar-like spaceship.

Her pictures are here:
aoleonthemartiangirl.blogspot.com...

Plus a few others.

reply to post by largo

What have you told us?

And what evidence has hoagland ever provided.

After five posts of the exact same expression of opinion, shut up until you have something to say or at least cite his failures.

Cite one of his successes.

The face on mars didn't really turn out for him did it!

His predictions about 'The Face's' symmetry are verified. His true color analysis of Mars and Moon anomalies have been independently confirmed.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaaa!!! Anomalies mean its an "anomaly", not alien. Yes well done Hoagland for spotting a blob. I suppose you also have the view that temperature gradients inside craters because of shadows are caused by moon domes. Changing the colour of an image by filters hasn't revealed anything new.

If the space agencies provided clean data, we would not need a Hoagland, Skipper, Bara, etc.

How would you define clean data. Perhaps agency data is accurate and can be easily read & analysed if you know how to.

Quit blaming the wounded and burnt messenger for being late and providing smudged documents.

It would be nice to finally see something accurate by this man, but it ain't gonna' happen because there are many more cleverer people that would have discovered it already. He's profiting off anomalous blobs on images that have a wide range of mundane explanation, yet he'll go for the outlandish because it gets people's attention and sells.

Hoagland is like a child pointing at something asking if this is it, and then pointing at something else and asking is this it... and most of us just laugh and don't take him seriously after his second or third time of trying.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by john124]

reply to post by Internet Explorer

Cheap shot imo

Does Internet Explorer work for you, it never does for me. Just ironic that IE is about as reliable as Hoagland.

There are very few credible people in this field, but I find Hoagland's perspective interesting - in what ways is your research better than his?

Because there hasn't been anything credible to say so far. Why don't these people ever post their images as soon as they have them, if they're really that incredible. All the hype and by the time they're released many are already hyped enough to believe anything. And they always say there's finally breakthroughs. Any real breakthrough would have instant funding from credible people.

I do think there's a very good chance that aliens are nearby, but they ain't going to let us know they're here, we're too savage a race. Neither would NASA let this image see daylight if they have covered up aliens for decades.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by john124]

reply to post by Mr Mask


G'day Mr Mask

I agree.....

This is more Hoagland hoaxing designed to keep the $ rolling in.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not