AIRSOFT Conversion to firearm

reply to post by drwizardphd


Yeah right...

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms found that the rifles were tooled to shoot plastic balls, but replacement of internal components with original machine gun components would render the rifles capable of firing live ammunition

Okay if you kept the plastic stock and replaced everything else....
Airsoft using a co2 to fire... real M4 needs a bolt and firing pin. not to mention a mag well to fit the 5.56 rounds...

To much work...
That's like saying I can take my daughter's hair ribbon and if I add the right accessories can convert it to full-auto... Heck if I stretch it out enough I might get it around a 203 so I would have a grenade launcher hair-ribbon!

why convert it i have an hk416 made by a company called we tech it is co2 powered and with very little twiking fps is 620. i just use it for target plinking
because playing cqb it would poke nice holes in people. it has a 40 round magazine and is select fire

reply to post by stealthyaroura


No stealth. Not a 177 to a 22 caliber. We are talking about converting an air soft AR 15 or an M4 gas powered. To fire live 5.56 NATO rounds.
thank you Draco 61

[edit on 24-3-2010 by draco61]

reply to post by DaddyBare


Daddybear.
We are not talking about hard plastic receivers both upper and lower. These are cast aluminum upper and lower receivers. Beer and soda cans are higher quality aluminum these are not machined aluminum parts. Check out the two YouTube videos that I included.

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Thank you Draco 61

Just more evidence that the government has been ruined by both liberal-cult and conservative-cult morons. This country is doomed.

reply to post by draco61


I was referring to plastic receivers... I meant the only thing that might be used in the making of a working firearm would be the plastic stock and handguard.

Nothing else is reusable

Originally posted by DaddyBare
reply to post by draco61

 

I was referring to plastic receivers... I meant the only thing that might be used in the making of a working firearm would be the plastic stock and handguard.

Nothing else is reusable

Yes you are right. The only thing that is interchangeable are some of the exterior parts.

The ATF agent Kevin Crenshaw has made the claim that the upper and lower receiver. Can be modified to accept the parts necessary to make the airsoft full automatic firearms

[edit on 25-3-2010 by draco61]

wow all i have to say is there is a fine line between balls of steel and stupidity

reply to post by PPGrocks


PPGrock.
I could not agree with you more! But allow me to mention one more thing when I started this thread I made it quite clear. That it was not about the Second Amendment. Trying to get someone to ask a small question? If it is not about the Second Amendment, which amendments is this about? It's about three actually. The fourth fifth and sixth amendments to the Constitution.

maybe if you change all the parts ,,, seriously , how would you even chamber a round ?

reply to post by gambon


Gambon.

You asked a great question. And one I was hoping someone would finally asked. Cosmetically big guns are one-to-one scale models in fact you may change some of the external parts like the rails and even some sighting systems. But you cannot exchange the internal parts. For a simple reason. Arizona manufacturers use different societies pins to hold the parts in and slightly out of place. And please remember this. These are not heat tempered metal parts that were talking about in Airsoft guns. You're a soda can is higher quality metal. Airsoft weapons are made out of the exact same metal as toy guns were made out of 20 years ago. You know those cheap keychain Guns.

thank you Draco 61

yep , I agree , impossible i would say , I think folk who say they can have never even seen an airsoft .

Step by step conversion of Airsoft Ar-15 into functional Ar-15:

Separate upper and lower receivers.

Throw away airsoft upper.

Throw awat airsoft lower.

Purchase real upper and corresponding components.

Purchase real lower.

Purchase lower receiver parts kit.

Assemble.

You have just converted an airsoft Ar-15 into a real working Ar-15.

Now you see why the ATF did what they did. It's just that easy.

Airsoft cannot be converted into a firearm.

The amount of effort you're gona put into converting it is not worth it.

You are beta off buying one!

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


HA!

I just came across this on FoxNews.com

To make the airsoft receiver function just like an AR-15’s, Gonnuscio said, “All you have to do is drill one hole.”

And once that's out of the way, the rest is even easier. The AR-15 receiver is the only part of the semi-automatic rifle that is given a serial number, and is the only part that is regulated. All the remaining parts of the real thing can be purchased by anyone – any kid, criminal or terrorist.

It seems that essentially what thisguyrightthere said.

Now, I'm not familiar with the materials or function of airsoft products. I always figured they were plastic toys. This fox article seems to imply that the received is made of some kind of metal that can function as a real AR receiver for at least one magazines worth of 5.56 NATO.

You still would have to buy and assemble all the components of the AR with this flimsy receiver. I guess if that is the case, a really determined criminal with a very short attack plan could cobble together something, but it would be far easier, cheaper and effective to just buy a gun on the black market.

For airsoft enthusiasts, are these made of metal or plastic? If metal, would they function as well if they were made of plastic?

I guess the only possible regulation I could see that would make any sort of sense would be to require them to be made of plastic. Other than that, I think the FEDs need to back-off and maybe do some real work.

[edit on 14-5-2010 by Wolf321]

reply to post by Wolf321


Wolf.
Thank you for the news article update. That had a little more information in it than I had before again thank you. I was aware that the ATF did test conversion was under the impression they only have five rounds off. I am surprised that they got more than 10 rounds off. For the most part you are correct most air stops are made out of plastic. But with the AR15 series of Airsoft weapons most are made out of aluminum or pot metals. Same stuff those keychain Guns are made out of.

Allow me to ask you a question. You have two choices would you buy something. A real AR15 series rifle cost somewhere in the neighborhood around $900 and will be semi automatic. And if you went to a gun show and spent $60 on a small part. Install that part on in your ar15 make a fully automatic to. And take nothing away from the reliability. Your second choice spent $900 on an ar15 plus another $400 on the Airsoft AR15. Spend the time changing all the parts and pains. Actor Richard Airsoft into a fully automatic weapon. That will fail in less than 15 rounds.

One last thing a fully capable AR 15 campfire I think someone around 900 to 1500 rpm. Oh yes converting any weapon has some pretty stiff penalties to it like 10 years in jail. For example if you convert a cool 1911 pistol to full automatic as 10 years in state prison.
Thank you Draco 61

reply to post by draco61


You're welcome. But I think I missed your question. I assume you were saying why do this when you could do that, sort of thing.

I don't think such a conversion is likely, considering its easier and cheaper to just get black market weapons.

The ATF or any law enforcement agency wouldn't have to worry about punishing someone who converts an airsoft gun into a real firearm. Once they convert it and load that first round, the punishment will come when they pull the trigger. NO airsoft weapon is made to withstand the punishment of firing a real round...not to mention there is no gas system on an airsoft gun. People forget that real firearms go through a lot of punishment when fired....

hell even a .22LR round in an airsoft gun would be living on the edge....the metal and parts of an airsoft gun are cheap and not quality controlled for such use.....I feel bad for the guys who actually try to fire a .223 round from a Tokyo Mauri M4...lol

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Step by step conversion of Airsoft Ar-15 into functional Ar-15:

Separate upper and lower receivers.

Throw away airsoft upper.

Throw awat airsoft lower.

Purchase real upper and corresponding components.

Purchase real lower.

Purchase lower receiver parts kit.

Assemble.

You have just converted an airsoft Ar-15 into a real working Ar-15.

Now you see why the ATF did what they did. It's just that easy.

That actually made me laugh outloud....great post!

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Thisguyrighthere.

I realize that this is big and complicated for you to understand. So I will type slowly so you can read it.Mr. Wolf321 had brought an article to my attention. Let a little more information to it again thank you Wolf. I did not say you could not do the action what you described. But I have said several times that the lower receiver will fail after a limited number of rounds fired. Did not know the exact number. I would not for two simple reasons. First one is I don't have the money to do that. Second one I am not that stupid I know what Airsoft weapons are made out of and I know what real weapons are made out of. Having fired bolts and have both Airsoft and real guns..

If I'm going to spend close to $1200 on a weapon! I would expect it to fire more than 10 times when you? Not to mention risk having the weapon blow up in my face when firing. Is your health assurance that good mind isn't. And if someone is dumb enough to do that and sell the weapon what do you think would happen to them. I would not want to be his life insurance Company.

Thank you Draco 61