This morning the LHC Up to the highest peak!

disturbing the gravety field with the collider.????..no idee...
indonesia is kind of opposite of Bern ??
but certain is they are playing with gigantic forces how small it looks on the outside...
clue.. we know to little yet of forces that keeps the universe together...

yes i am one of the many humans that has hasitations with the investigations they are do'ing..
who knows where it will end...

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Yes, and if they don't quit playing around with things that they don't fully understand, things are going to get much worse. Do I think this collider is causing earthquakes? No, I do not. I think this LHC was designed for a much more sinister plan.

The only thing I do know is that they are very much so, flirting with disaster. Arrogance has brought them to the predicament that they are in. Arrogance will also be the reason why they will fail.

~ Zeus

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keep the connections with EQ's in mind... ive read in several other topics on ATS
LHC was also connected with eq's...as solarspots also seems to do...

This is just a conjecture of mine completely out of nowhere. But could it be possible that they are lying about leaving the collider off due to repairs, etc. And actually having it run the whole entire time without anyone knowing so nobody will try and stop them again like they did before?

I think they should fire it up to all its potential and see what happens, if it makes a blackhole then so be it, at least we know it did something.

reply to post by Zeus2573

Yes, and if they don't quit playing around with things that they don't fully understand, things are going to get much worse.

Interesting.
How do you propose a greater understanding be acquired if not through experimentation? Or do you just believe the the quest for knowledge is evil or dangerous in its own right?

www.usatoday.com...

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Im still a bit confused on why they are doing this experiment anyways, what purpose will this serve us in knowing how the universe was created, isnt that just a theory what we have perceived, by doing this experiment it might of caused us to begin in the first place, but we will never know.

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Perhaps they are using the LHC to avert a disaster. I really don't know. This LHC was built for a reason. This is not just a toy for them to play around with. This is a very big deal.

I alway's try to remember "for every action there is an equal or opposite reaction." Who said that? Einstein or Newton? I think it was Newton.

Doesn't make any difference who said it. However, what does matter is that it is absolutely true. They might want to take that into consideration.

Ressiv, you may very well be right. Who knows.

~ Zeus

I don't get why anyone is confused. The article saying that CERN was to be shut down was badly titled. CERN, like many particle accelerators will be shut down for standard maintenance, it's common practice when you have a machine this massive and complex.

The person that wrote the original news story was reporting on the future planned shut down as explained by man at CERN including professor Brian Cox. He even put up a twitter about it. This thread could be misinterpreted because of it's title as well. When i read it i thought CERN had been turned up to maximum, which seemed odd as it hadn't been planned. So you see how a title can cause confusion.


Why people read into things so deeply and start talking about alternative history is beyond me. the news article talking about a shutdown was poorly titled and poorly written, that is the problem.

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Our current understanding of the universe suggests that the matter we can observe only accounts for about 4 percent of all the matter that must exist. When we look at the movement of galaxies and other celestial bodies, we see that their motions suggest there's much more matter in the universe than we can detect.

Scientists named this undetectable material dark matter. Together, observable matter and dark matter could account for about 25 percent of the universe.

The other three-quarters would come from a force called dark energy, a hypothetical energy that contributes to the expansion of the universe. Scientists hope that their experiments will either provide further evidence for the existence of dark matter and dark energy or provide evidence that could support an alternate theory

Some interesting reading here regarding why -

science.howstuffworks.com...

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It is not a single experiment. The LHC will be used for many different experiments, just as all of the other accelerators are used. One of the things it will not be used for is to determine how the universe was created. Instead, what things were like very early in the history of the universe will be examined.

The purpose is to learn more about the most basic foundations of existence.


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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Zeus2573

 

Yes, and if they don't quit playing around with things that they don't fully understand, things are going to get much worse.

Interesting.
How do you propose a greater understanding be acquired if not through experimentation? Or do you just believe the the quest for knowledge is evil or dangerous in its own right?

www.usatoday.com...

Hello Phage.

I see where you are coming from and I agree to a certain extent. However, I think at the end of the day, the only thing they are going to "understand" is that this LHC should have never been created in the first place.

As far as the quest for knowledge, there is nothing wrong with seeking it as long as it is with good intentions. I'm sure someone of your caliber would agree that something that makes "black holes" is not good.

Either way Phage, you have taught me alot on this web-site. You will always have my respect no matter what. ATS is fortunate to have you aboard.

~ Zeus

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Scaart

 

The purpose is to learn more about the most basic foundations of existence.


[edit on 3/20/2010 by Phage]

Thats whats gets me, why does it take something so advanced to learn about something so basic?


It just doesnt add up.

reply to post by Zeus2573

Thank you for the compliment.

The LHC is not intending to make black holes and it is unlikely in the extreme that it will. In order for that to happen it would mean that we live in very strange universe rather than the one that we really think we live in. But, even with that possibility, if we do in fact live in a universe with "large extra dimensions", a mini black hole or two would not pose much of a danger. Its gravitational field would be tiny and it would either; a) evaporate through Hawking radiation or b) shoot off into space and keep on going. These are the possibilities which are presented by the physics models which allow a black hole to be formed in the first place.

The science of the LHC is of good intentions. It is pure research for the sake of increasing our knowledge about our world. Could the fruit of that pure research be put to ill use? Maybe, but it could be put to some very good use as well.

Originally posted by Scaart

Thats whats gets me, why does it take something so advanced to learn about something so basic?


It just doesnt add up.

The fact you are unable to understand it kind of shows you don't have the ability to decide it doesn't add up. These may be foundational things but they are intensely complex.

It's funny though tht throughout time people have asked "what good is that" when faced with a discovery. When gamma radiation was discovered people asked what good is that and now we have x-rays. When the positron was discovered people asked "what good is that" and we have PET scans. When we split the atom people asked "what good is that" and we have nuclear power.

Don't presume to know what knowledge discovered today will be used for tomorrow.

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Because in the early period of the universe, when everything came into being, all of the energy which is now everywhere was in a very small place. It was very hot. (But "hot" isn't exactly the right word.)

A very powerful particle accelerator is necessary to produce that kind of energy in a laboratory setting where the processes which occur can be closely studied. Cosmic rays carry the same or greater energies than the LHC can produce. It's just that they are random, you never know where or when one is going to come along so we don't really know what happens when they hit an atomic nucleus.


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Im not dissing the fact that on what we learn, it just baffles me on so advanced we have to get to understand the basics of our beginning, im sure there will be and advanced experiment on how we understand the basics of the lhc in the near future.

regarding humanity is just at the dawn of civilisation ...its very unwise to play with the building-stones of the universe yet without understanding the consqences fully.........

it could be very well one bridge to far...

oure planet is balancing for stability in the gravitational forces of the solarsystem...the slightest disturbance will be catastrofal for us...

few day's ago we past an remain of an CME of the sun... also an 6.7 in chili by instance...
its not so solid ground we live on...an fluid bubble with a tiny crust so fragile we are...

notice also how many probes we send to space last years to understand the the gravity and other forces in space...

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So let's not experiment. Let's not learn anything new. Let's live in caves. Then we will be nice and safe...

Until that comet or asteroid comes along while we weren't looking for it.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by ressiv

 

So let's not experiment. Let's not learn anything new. Let's live in caves. Then we will be nice and safe...

Until that comet or asteroid comes along while we weren't looking for it.

make the proper hardware first... then learn......