Aliens HAVE visited earth - Finally... tangible evidence

Originally posted by Solasis
If it is a scam, he's doing a better job of making it seem scuzzy than I would expect. It all sounds fairly well researched, at least, though I'm no geneticist. For my part, I won't be giving him any of my money, and I will warn everyone I know against giving him money, but I'll hope that he makes it to the goal. I hope this turns out to be valid, but I expect it won't.

LMAO!!!!

Are you afraid to know the truth?

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by SquirrelNutz

 

Yes - Anyone, who has actually taken the time to study the skull and Pye's findings have come to the same conclusions. It is NOT a deformity - Period.

Either you haven't read your own thread or haven't understood some of the posts. The evidence indicates skull deformity. Brachycephaly or Progeria? Either explanation has merits and members have posted links for you and anyone else to compare.

I posted a link to a Pye interview way back in the thread. No one has listened to it...if you do, you'll hear the same old BS from him.

Myself and other members have been discussing Pye, his claims and the Starchild Skull for a long time. The only difference in this thread is your support of the allegedly conclusive evidence 'around the corner.'

We've

actually taken the time to study the skull and Pye's findings...

...and our informed opinion is that he is unable, either intellectually or delusionally, to accept the rational explanations of the Starchild Skull. He insists we're a product of alien intervention. He even claims Bigfoot as the only 'hominoid' on Earth to have evolved without alien intervention.

My own opinion is Pye has fabricated a lot of his claims in the impotent hope that he'll become famous and wealthy. At best he's delusional, at worst he's a determined liar. Pseudo-scientific BS merchant.

I offered to have any avatar of your choosing if I'm wrong about Pye. I'm still willing. That you haven't the courage of your convictions demonstrates how little faith you have in his claims. You won't even bet on an avatar.

Put your money where your mouth is and stop claiming people haven't read about Pye or the skull.

LOL But I bet you believe anything Darwin had to say? But then later in Darwin 2nd book he talks about GOD.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Carambaz
The starchild is indeed a mysterious subject of interest but I'm afraid that no matter how intense and passionate both believers and skeptics feel about this subject, it will ultimately be futile to be able to reach a mutual agreement between both parties as to what exactly the true nature of this being is.

You seem to suggest that the true nature of this object depends on a mutual agreement of the believers and skeptics on this board. I don't see it that way.

DNA can be very conclusive if good DNA samples are found. With a 900 year old artifact this might be difficult but not impossible.

And I would say it's not what the believers and skeptics on this board conclude that matters as much as the mainstream peer reviewed scientific conclusions.

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
reply to post by InfaRedMan

 

I'll accept that, peer reviewed. Or, to that end, anything that passifies the members of this board.

All right! Someone willing to put his avatar where his mouth is! I admire your courage. I must say your avatar is one of my favorites on the site so I would miss him for a month if you lose, so from that standpoint I hope you don't lose. But, given the history of Pye's previous claims and the fact that we're 11 years into what seems like should be a 2 month project, I'm afraid my "money" is on Kandinsky to win.

I know you communicate personally with Pye via e-mail, has Pye provided you with any updates on how soon he expects he might release any information? Or could we still be waiting a year from now?

[edit on 31-3-2010 by Arbitrageur]

More LOL's! I love people they make me laugh. Technology wasn't available at the time of the finding of the starchild project. Now it is available, but it is EXPENSIVE! The geneticist is doing this project on his spare time during the weekends. if I had 500,000, I would seriously give it too lloyd. That is how much faith I have in this project of his.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by InfaRedMan

 

That's interesting because if you google "AnthraAndromda," there's a guy with the same name who's clearly clinging to reality by a thread. I'm sure it's highly unlikely that they are the same person...what would the odds be?

Regarding Pye's anticipated 'proof,' my money's on a variation of 'the dog ate my homework' combined with a 'last time, honest' request for more money. Maybe some sulking about sneaky scientists and their 'exactly wrong answers.'

please google me all the skeptics on youtube hate me.

Originally posted by Reign02
They had Progeria look it up. They already said the parents were both human and they were of native american decent. Pye's team is continuing the "research" that they claim and know it's not all human to get noticed by the public and to get some money....

hey are you the guy on every youtube channel that has the starchild in that always scream progeria? Even Pye states that is a new disease. The starchild is 900 years old. You got proof that progeria is that old?

Latest correspondence for ya...

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I'm still receiving inquiries from readers confused about the discovery our geneticist made regarding the Starchild's nuclear DNA. They don't understand what it means, or how or why it's so important, or why it's destined to make history, so let me try to make the situation clearer.

In 2003 we had a DNA test that used two dozen human-only primers, which are strings of nucleotides (base pairs) of many hundreds to several thousands long. That was the limit of technology in 2003, and it easily recovered the Starchild's mitochondrial DNA, which is found in any cell's cytoplasm outside the nucleus. MtDNA passes down only along the female line, which meant the Starchild had a human mother, or was gestated as an embryo in a human female's egg.

Next we had to recover the nuclear DNA found in any cell's nucleus, which has all the genetic material from both parents, in the case of humans around 3 billion nucleotides (base pairs). But in six complete attempts our geneticists could not recover the Starchild's nuclear DNA. This meant the father was not allowing the primers to make proper connections, so we knew then that he was not entirely human. Unfortunately, in 2003 we could not prove exactly what the father was, or how much different we was from a normal human.

Since 2003 we have waited to find a way to recover a sample of the Starchild's nuclear DNA, and recently, in late February, a geneticist contacted me to tell me he could recover the nuDNA if it existed. The technique is called "shotgun sequencing," and it recovers relatively small arrays of nucleotides, from 200 to 500 long, much smaller than the primers and much easier to recover. Sure enough, he was able to recover several shorter sequences of the nucleotides (base pairs) from the Starchild's nuclear DNA, more than enough to show it definitely is there and it definitely is recoverable in its totality, the entire genome, when we can afford to sequence it with a 454 genome analyzer.

When he ran those nucleotide sequences through the National Institute of Health (NIH) database, he found some incredible results. The NIH database has literally trillions of nucleotide sequences because it contains the full genomes of over 120 species types. It spans viruses to bacteria to mollusks to crustaceans to plants to animals--all of them are represented in that database. It contains virtually all of the nucleotide strings known to live on Earth. So when our geneticist ran the Starchild's strings through the database, he found what he expected, that several of them were clearly, indisputably human, and to be more precise, they came from several genes within chromosome #1.

When he ran some other strings, though, the answer came back, "Not found in the database." That means, "Not found on Earth at this time." This is, as you might imagine, astounding and historic news, but it was only a "first draft," so to speak. He will have to conduct several other similar runs to recover more nucleotide strings that he can then run through the NIH database and see where they come from. It will be a fascinating process that will probably turn out results that we can't imagine at this time. However, what we can be certain of at this early point in the process is that the Starchild is clearly, undoubtedly, unambiguously not a normal human being.

If it's not a normal human, what is it? Is it a really, really abnormal human? Or can we ever say beyond doubt that it is an alien? Well, that answer is simple enough to calculate. All humans are genetically alike to the degree of about 99.99%. We are extremely alike, almost to the point of being clones with slight variations. But chimps are very much like us. They are 97% the same as us. Gorillas are 95% the same as us. So where does the Starchild have to fall to be considered alien? Will 99% be enough? Maybe not. Science would argue it was just some kind of phenomenally bizarre human being. But what if it is 98%. Will that be enough? Yes, that should be enough. Or 97%, the same as a chimp? Could anyone argue it was a bizarre human that was as different as a chimp? Clearly that carries it into the range of "alien" by anyone's measure. And anywhere less than 97% is that much more alien.

Right now, with the early results we have, the percentage for the Starchild is looking like it will be much less than 95%. This is what is so incredible at this early stage. If it ends up being somewhere from 50% to 95%, there can be no doubt that the Starchild is a complete and total alien in relation to a normal human. We will be able to prove beyond doubt that what we've been saying for a decade is absolutely true. Why? Because we're working with DNA, which is the math of biology. We can do it in such a way, and to such a degree, that science simply can't argue with the result. Finally, at long last, our side, the alternative team, can and will win this long, ferocious battle of wills with mainstream science and their servile toadys, the mainstream media.

What's the next step? To gather the funding needed to sequence the entire genome, and to film a documentary about that process. We are hard at work trying to do both, and as soon as we have the funding and can begin, we will make that announcement and provide a tentative timeline for when a final result might be achived. Stay tuned and watch this space!

Notice the 'funding' he is looking for, is not in the form of piddly little donations from bloggers or subscribers. No, the type of money he's after will likely come from a single source - wealthy single investor, or conglomerate of sorts.

btw, where do we stand on the bet, anyway? I think I'm running out of time, and I haven't even seen a preview, yet (?)

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Just to let you know who you are debating with Reign02... AnthraAndromda claims to be a juvenile alien hybrid with a human mother (just like the starchild). Actually, to be more precise, a Galactic Andromedan!

So he's an alien that made microprocessors possible & published papers on scalar magnetics that NASA 'picked up on' to name but a few of his many 'claims'.

Follow the link for more information

Just so ya know, Infraredman, I'm not a hybrid. I'm not even sure I "buy into" the idea of Human - Alien hybrids. Though, I am sure some alien species may be able to cross with Humans, but, I'd also say that they are very few and genetically so "Human like " it would be difficult for you to notice the difference.

Needless to say, Anthra has a dog in this fight and needs desperately to prove the reality on alien hybrid skulls.

IRM

If you say so ... By-the-way ... I now have mother's mtDNA ... she has no haplogroup ... just like father.

Post it. Both.

I've seen claims that some who look like me with my mtDNA haplogroup are aliens. Which made me laugh after I got mine back.

[edit on 2010/4/26 by Aeons]

Originally posted by endtimeswatcher
To think that RH blood factors are something out of this world is amazing. But if you think about it when a woman gets pregnant and she or the father has this blood type the mothers has to go through testing.
No one ever asked why? Until now......

Humans are NOT the only ones like this. Further, RH- has a selection advantage for some diseases. There are THREE places on Chromosome One that code for RH and a deletion or transliteration on any of them can make one RH negative.

Good God this one annoys the crap out of me.

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Its a deformed human skull

Originally posted by dragnet53

Originally posted by Reign02
They had Progeria look it up. They already said the parents were both human and they were of native american decent. Pye's team is continuing the "research" that they claim and know it's not all human to get noticed by the public and to get some money....

hey are you the guy on every youtube channel that has the starchild in that always scream progeria? Even Pye states that is a new disease. The starchild is 900 years old. You got proof that progeria is that old?

I have proof of the same nature as this stuff that it is at least thousands of years old.

Change children stories in ancient Europe clearly are describing progeria. The other disease you can see that is being described sometimes is Harlequins.

[edit on 2010/4/26 by Aeons]

Oh, It occurred to me AA - not only have I seen it claimed that people who look like me and my sister and have our specific mtDNA haplogroup are Nordics....
But my father is the only known variation of his mtDNA haplogroup.

And while I love my parents - If my two parental lines are examples of genetic tinkering by a highly evolved race, I have some distinct criticism of the quality of their work.

So again - please post your Y-DNA and your mtDNA. How deep was your testing? HVR1? HVR2? Have you done further typing on your Y to find a specific clad? Did you submit to the geneBank? I am sure that they would appreciate a unique sample.

Originally posted by Iamrealistic
this is not an alien...it is a human with a disease...tests a decade ago proved that the child had both Y and X chromosomes...X from mom and Y from dad (both human) case closed

no ..it's not .. if you would have been keeping up on the subject a little closer.. 2 groupls have ALREADY checked in to this .. 1 being UFO hunters and I belive Josh Gates as well.. can't remember..

but .. yea.. argue and slam up it's a no brainer when you yourself have no supporting documents .. wow..

....THERE IS NO Y CORMOSOME... IT IS UNKNOW.. !!!!!! oh .. and I'm SURE you can google UFO Hunters an see the whole episode on that.. right.. ??

yea.. for those that aren't in the know.. here you go .. and to those who say hogwash' .. well.. then you bring your crendentials to the table and fight it out with the experts on the vids..

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


thought i would share ...

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reply to post by Komodo


You can't tell that ears are pointed from a skull. Nor that eyes are all black.

Those are "artistic" enhancements to encourage a conclusion. Both of which should make you take a step back and raise an eyebrow.

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by Komodo

 

You can't tell that ears are pointed from a skull. Nor that eyes are all black.

Those are "artistic" enhancements to encourage a conclusion. Both of which should make you take a step back and raise an eyebrow.

hmmmm.. can you plz clarify ..thx

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


Progeria

The nucleus would be F'd up, and thus the dna altered and unstable.

Also I think i remember seeing somewhere that Neanderthals and humans were only 300ish base pairs apart.

So the question is simple. If a planet millions of light years away can randomly generate life forms that are only a few base pairs off from a Neanderthal, then my friend you have a miracle.


of course, you can either believe that random probability hit it so close, or you can simply say Progeria and that explains it much easier.

A violation of probability, or a simple disease. Which is more likely?

K thanks, bye. Another haox with another idiot asking for money.

reply to post by Gorman91

So the question is simple. If a planet millions of light years away can randomly generate life forms that are only a few base pairs off from a Neanderthal, then my friend you have a miracle.

"Miracle"? Hardly. Not really even 'astronomical', by any stretch - when you consider one of the more popular posits is that we were seeded here by an advanced civ. Matter of fact, it would be expected.




[edit on 4/27/2010 by SquirrelNutz]

reply to post by jziegler


Dude. Hes not saying that HE knows the geneticist. The poster is quoting there. Calm yourself !

reply to post by Gorman91


the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, as the rich man TAKES more and more of your money, the ones who ask kindly for help toward a just cause get less and less, and indeed the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer.

If aliens came here from another planet, safe to say they would need time travel, it is even more likely then for us to time travel also and visit ourselves, so then the dna wouldnt be new, just evolved. throw in the necessary parallel dimensions needed to avoid paradox, and suddenly anything realy is possible if your thoughts can go far enough.