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I am not new on ATS but, I like to lurk around and see what everyone says. I think that Obama removed the seal because he is testing the waters.





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[edit on 16/3/2010 by Sauron]

Very interesting...I don't know why he should limit himself to just being PoTUS when there is a whole world out there just begging to be ruled.

On a side note, I have never seen that news caster before and really enjoyed he presentation...I loved the in 3...2...1....where have I seen that before.

S & F for you

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i like that... very good. Maybe hes not the leader.. just another guy in between.

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I don't get it. Testing the waters of what? Seems to me that Obama is trying to make a small gesture with the aim of restoring some class to the office of POTUS, by not using the seal at political fundraiser type environments. Can someone at least explain the theory behind this supposed malevolent conspiracy? TIA....

Best,
Skunknuts

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Looks HIGHLY suspicious to me...I mean why remove the seal ever? Now for all political events? What message are they sending?

reply to post by Signals


Highly suspicious of what?? I think many people need to recalibrate their baseline when it comes to suspicious paranoia vs. rationality. This reminds me of the people that seem to think that if the government does ANYTHING at all along the lines of governing it is akin to socialism.

Best,
Skunknuts

The reason the Seal is not being used on Obamas podium, is because Dictators don't use a Presidential Seal...

A dictator is a ruler (e.g. absolutist or autocratic) who assumes sole and absolute power (sometimes but not always with military control) but, without hereditary ascension such as an absolute monarch.

What's with your headline? Did you remove the rest of it for some reason?

It stinks of a cheap shot.

Adding the rest of the headline might get more people to investigate your thread and we might come up with a reason for this - if there is any.

As it looks now this is all just a-reek in tabloid wanna be...

peace

Restoring class to the office of POTUS by not displaying the seal of POTUS?

If he is ashamed of either being POTUS or using his occupation of POTUS to raise $$$, maybe he would restore class by simply not attending.

I don't think anything "malevolent" is happening, but you have to admit it is a bit odd.

Originally posted by MissysWorld
The reason the Seal is not being used on Obamas podium, is because Dictators don't use a Presidential Seal...

A dictator is a ruler (e.g. absolutist or autocratic) who assumes sole and absolute power (sometimes but not always with military control) but, without hereditary ascension such as an absolute monarch.

Is this an attempt at making a sound argument of something, or just an exercise at constructing a half-filled straw-man?

Best,
Skunknuts

FIX the title of the thread..
It's labeled in a misleading way. VERY much like a snake oil salesman.

b

Originally posted by TonyClifton
Restoring class to the office of POTUS by not displaying the seal of POTUS?

If he is ashamed of either being POTUS or using his occupation of POTUS to raise $$$, maybe he would restore class by simply not attending.

I don't think anything "malevolent" is happening, but you have to admit it is a bit odd.

Odd, as in unusual practice, OK, I'll admit that. However, your other points don't flow easily in my humble opinion. He is not acting ashamed at all in terms of being POTUS. He is showing shame that he needs to use his office to raise money in this fashion, however, asking him not to do so at all is akin to telling an army to unilaterally lay down its weapons because the soldiers realize killing is not pretty.

This is the real world, not the perfect world, and, if anything, I like the point Obama is trying to make with this SMALL gesture.

Best,
Skunknuts

[edit on 3/16/2010 by skunknuts]

Originally posted by skunknuts

Odd, as in unusual practice, OK, I'll admit that. However, your other points don't flow easily in my humble opinion. He is not acting ashamed at all in terms of being POTUS. He is showing shame that he needs to use his office to raise money in this fashion, however, asking him not to do so at all is akin to telling an army to unilaterally lay down its weapons because the soldiers realize killing is not pretty.

This is the real world, not the perfect world, and, if anything, I like the point Obama is trying to make with this SMALL gesture.

Best,
Skunknuts

[edit on 3/16/2010 by skunknuts]

We can agree that the act is shame driven. I think telling an army to laydown weapons because killing (innocent people) is not pretty is something that should be said.

I will agree with you that it is a small gesture...I think it should be a big gesture, you know "real change I can believe in"...if you are ashamed to do something, don't do it.

Seems simple to me.

Originally posted by TonyClifton

Originally posted by skunknuts

Odd, as in unusual practice, OK, I'll admit that. However, your other points don't flow easily in my humble opinion. He is not acting ashamed at all in terms of being POTUS. He is showing shame that he needs to use his office to raise money in this fashion, however, asking him not to do so at all is akin to telling an army to unilaterally lay down its weapons because the soldiers realize killing is not pretty.

This is the real world, not the perfect world, and, if anything, I like the point Obama is trying to make with this SMALL gesture.

Best,
Skunknuts

[edit on 3/16/2010 by skunknuts]

We can agree that the act is shame driven. I think telling an army to laydown weapons because killing (innocent people) is not pretty is something that should be said.

I will agree with you that it is a small gesture...I think it should be a big gesture, you know "real change I can believe in"...if you are ashamed to do something, don't do it.

Seems simple to me.

If only it was that simple. Of course Obama is a political figure, not the messiah, so I will hold him to the standards of the former. I don't expect him to commit political suicide, and wish that more arguments and disagreements were discussed above board and with a higher degree of genuineness.

In fact, I believe that Obama has been naive in his hope that partisan differences could be put aside in this time of crisis. He has tried too hard to build a consensus in Washington with people that are not interested in such. This move towards getting health care reform passed hopefully shows that he is becoming more pragmatic in how he enacts the proposals he was elected to do.

Best,
Skunknuts

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I understand you point of view.

Perhaps, I am too naive to think that people (messiah's, politician's, etc.) should hold themselves to the standards of a good human being.

If not doing something your ashamed of is political suicide...well, maybe that's why I'm not in politics.

He is making minor changes to Icons in the country. I do not believe that Obama is a dictator but I just want to say that the swastika was not the symbol of Germany in 1915. Symbols are important. The president was checked by the Legislative and Judicial branches of government. Is the President still checked by these two branches? Maybe he is saying is starting to realize what power he actually has.