Freemasonry, An Anchor of Morality in A sea of Moral Relativism

ok, fine. I guess I, myself read too much into your post. I apologize for that. I'm sure it must be annoying to know everything and have people not realize it (that, my friend, was a joke and a bit of scarcasm, please ton't take it out of context)

Originally posted by Masonic Light
I hear they play naked twister.

That's Naked Jell-o Twister, ML, the humor continues...

Doctor Dunn failed to mention Albert Pike and why lodges around america have no windows and usually a security fence..me thinks he protests to much....

Originally posted by zoe_jane
I'm sure it must be annoying to know everything and have people not realize it

It is indeed, it is indeed. Like Cassandra in her mystic orbs, or whatever it is they say

Even worse than knowing everything and not having other people not realise it, however, is being saddled with the sin of Pride... fortunately, I never have trouble with that one (again, sarcasm).

Originally posted by FlightCrew_
Doctor Dunn failed to mention Albert Pike and why lodges around america have no windows and usually a security fence..me thinks he protests to much....

Albert Pike? Who's that? Never heard of him... in the last ten seconds at least. Welcome to the Secret Societies Forum FC, you are new to what is rapidly becoming Mud Pit II, Albert Pike is so oft referenced here that I have burned my personal copy (4th generation), and now simply pull up MrNECROS's posts when needed. As to your observation of a windowless trend in architecture this may be a local phenomena, I have been to plenty of lodges with windows, heck some even had doors. The real humor to this was Lodges were previously held outdoors in "High hills and low vales" that really screws that theory. As an aside my Lodge hosts 1-2 outdoor Lodge meetings a year and several other Lodges in my area do the same.

In Scotland lodges would meet in taverns and confer degrees on the candidates. This shows that freemasonary was always and is a part of the commubity. This was done before the formation of Grand Lodge of Scotland in 1736. Freemasons and freemasonary are a pillar on which our society is built. A freemasons lodge has nothing to hide and there are no devils or evil spirits that lurk in them. Freemasons are able to discuss the philosophical ideas that are contained in our degrees and will do so when called upon. If only the parctices of freemasonary were more widely spread we would be living in a better world and a more peaceful one.

Brother Gerard

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by Gerard]

or another avatar of Necros...

Why would I mention Pike? The very point that we keep making, (because its true) is that Morals and Dogma is NOT the bible of Masonry. Pike speaks for... wait for it now... Pike speaks for PIKE, and the Scottish Rite degrees at that... I did not mention him because he is irrelevant to the discussion. Much as some folks would like it to be otherwise.

Albert Pike is a philosopher, and his opinions are his own. As you can see, I have my own opinions.

Originally posted by FlightCrew_
Doctor Dunn failed to mention Albert Pike and why lodges around america have no windows and usually a security fence..me thinks he protests to much....

Since Mirthful Me addressed the windows (and doors) issue, let me add that the 3 Masonic buildings I am familiar with do NOT have security fences. What an odd thing, why WOULD they have security fences???

Most lodges do not have windows, to prevent cowans and eavesdroppers, and in California, until the late 1960's, most lodges were on the second floor, for the same reason.

As for security fences, well, I have been to a number of lodges, and NONE of them has a security fence, including my Grand Lodge on Nob Hill in San Francisco... but we do have ORDINARLY fencing, to keep out the less savory elements... perhaps like "Flightcrew"?

It was the "Doctor Dunn" that gave him away sounds more like our old pal Capt. Moron.

Stop the insults please

i can see that insults are beginning to be flung around the room here.

Bill is sharing a private joke, and it is not an insult... though the POST from FlightCrew was somewhat insulting, doncha think?

No, there is a certain cretin out there, whom we lovingly refer to as Captain Moron... an internet stalker, impersonator, fraud, cheat, and a whole host of epithets. This person is a felon, and has attacked many of us with late night phone calls to our relatives, fraudulent police reports, Denial Of Service attacks, gay porno, viruses, trojans and worms...

So, you see, this is just a private reference, as we would never give that troll as much credit as to use his actual name...

Hey JCMinJapan

Thanks for the reply and your point has been well received. I completely understand what you are saying. And you get to party too huh?

Originally posted by BlackOps13
freemasonary may not be devil worship and it may not be an organization controlling the world, but, the heart of it definitely is anti-christian.

Really? That would be news to the 95% of the masons that are Christians... would you like to provide any proof of that contention, or would you rather it just sat there steaming and stinking as the offal that it is? Just curious.

I would guess that most men who become masons go in with good intentions of helping mankind, but whether or not they ever realize it, they are being deceived.

Hmmm. Really? Would you mind posting anything you might have in the way of facts to support that contention? Seeing as we run 22 free hospitals in the United States and Canada, which provide FREE burn and orthopedic care to children, regardless of race, religion, sex, income or relation to masons, and donate via this and other charitable activites over $762 MILLION per YEAR, USD? Just curious.

the humanist spirit that freemasonary is built around goes against christianity (which doesn't really matter much if you're not a christian).

Uh, bud... are you sure you are writing about the right group? Freemasonry is not a "humanist" religion... it requires that all men that apply to join declare and have a faith in the supreme being, however the man knows him. It also is not a religion, but an association of religious men, and has no religious dogma or separate god of its own. Perhaps you were thinking of some other group...

anyway, this is just my opinion and i wanted to put it out there. from what i've seen on ats concerning freemasonary threads, i look forward to the swarm of masons who are going to reply to this and tell me that i'm simply spreading age old lies and imply that the ideas of freemasonry are without flaw

No, but since you have placed your "opinion" on the record, I would be very interested in seeing any... oh, FACTS, for instance, that would lead a rational, thinking person to the conclusions you have stated. I am not trying to talk you out of your prejudices or anything like that, but since you offer your opinions, and they are destructive and insulting to me and my brethren, I do not suppose it is too much to ask you to actually DEFEND your position, if you can... do you?

Good job, Theron.

As usual, more concerns about Masonry going against Christianity. Seems only Christians have this problem with Masonry. At least, no people of other faiths seem to be complaining.

I'd like to turn this around, if I may: Perhaps Christianity is going against Masonry. IF Christianity is what Mike Gentry says it is (hehe . .IF), then if I had to put the burden of proof on Masonry or Christianity, Christianity would need to justify its position, based on its rabid homophobia, its intolerance of other faiths, and the disturbing idea that God loves all his children, EXCEPT Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Taoists. . . . .

Let's hope Gentry is NOT the aknowleged spokesperson for Christianity, for Christians at large.

Oh, I am sure that someday Mike Gentry will stand small before g-d and His assembled hosts to answer for all his hate posts in G-d's holy name...

I am sure he won't spend TOO long in purgatory reviewing his positions...

Originally posted by BlackOps13
the fact that i am a catholic is another part of the reason that i do not support freemasonry. the catholic church does not support it, and because i do believe in my church and because i realize that there are alot of people out there who know more about this subject than me, i'm going to leave my fath in this subject to those who i consider professionals and whom i trust.

So much easier to let someone do the thinking for you, isn't it? If the Catholic Church says they are the one and only infallible super-deluxe church, they must be right, correct? The Catholic Church has never come up with any "questionable" ideas... cough... inquisition... cough...

Originally posted by The Merovingian
"The majority of Masons today don't have a clue as to the true meaning of their rituals and symbols. And they certainly cannot be called bad people. Misled, yes, and most really are the good natured philanthropists helping their community, that we see outwardly. You see it is not required of initiates to ascend any higher than that of the third degree Master Mason. They know there are another 30 degrees if one wished to continue, but the initiation process is a tedious and drawn out affair (it might take a year to reach the third degree), which the participants, for the most part, are happy it's over with. For them it is good that they not continue. And that's just the way higher initiates, or adepts, like it"

Please don't waste your time with 3000 word essays as they don't really change our views on the Masonic society and how it fits in with the secret societies higher up. It's all smoke and mirrors.

Agree with both paragraphs.

Many good guys become masons and stay good. Masonry has a lot of good people that claim membership. This is the masonry that most of the world recognizes and feels O.K. with.

There is another masonry- most likely not official nor even known of by the members at large.

theron
Why another �masonry recruiting 101� thread?

This just looks to me like thread stuffing. Higher ratings on Google to go along with the disinfo sites that claim to be anti-mason but really aren't.

Kind of like alt.freemasonry what a joke. The anti-mason faq is owned by a mason!

Hide what you want, calling a silk purse when it is really a sow's ear doesn't change anything.

*edit to add-
EXACTLY what "moral teachings" does masonry provide that are NOT available through public sources?
no secrets here- explain



[edit on 12/9/2004 by PublicGadfly]

Originally posted by PublicGadfly

Originally posted by The Merovingian
"The majority of Masons today don't have a clue as to the true meaning of their rituals and symbols. And they certainly cannot be called bad people. Misled, yes, and most really are the good natured philanthropists helping their community, that we see outwardly. You see it is not required of initiates to ascend any higher than that of the third degree Master Mason. They know there are another 30 degrees if one wished to continue, but the initiation process is a tedious and drawn out affair (it might take a year to reach the third degree), which the participants, for the most part, are happy it's over with. For them it is good that they not continue. And that's just the way higher initiates, or adepts, like it"

Please don't waste your time with 3000 word essays as they don't really change our views on the Masonic society and how it fits in with the secret societies higher up. It's all smoke and mirrors.

Agree with both paragraphs.

Many good guys become masons and stay good. Masonry has a lot of good people that claim membership. This is the masonry that most of the world recognizes and feels O.K. with.

There is another masonry- most likely not official nor even known of by the members at large.

theron
Why another �masonry recruiting 101� thread?

This just looks to me like thread stuffing. Higher ratings on Google to go along with the disinfo sites that claim to be anti-mason but really aren't.

Kind of like alt.freemasonry what a joke. The anti-mason faq is owned by a mason!

Hide what you want, calling a silk purse when it is really a sow's ear doesn't change anything.

*edit to add-
EXACTLY what "moral teachings" does masonry provide that are NOT available through public sources?
no secrets here- explain

[edit on 12/9/2004 by PublicGadfly]

Well, a rational post... thank you.

Alt.freemasonry is NOT an antimasonic site... those opposed to masonry have flocked there, and post regularly, as do men like Manny Blanco and Ed King and many many others.

Moral teachings. You made a very good point... masonry does not teach any moral teachings that you did not learn (or should have anyway) learned from your parents or your church.

As for higher up ratings, well, so what? Until about three years ago, all you could find was antimasonic spew. Today, that is VASTLY different, and rightfully so. We do have a right to speak freely, and make the truth known, or would you deny this right to us?

As for higher ups secretly pulling strings yadda yadda yadda... I would like to see one shred, one scintilla of evidence for this other than tinfoil hat paranoia...

PublicGadfly, for a welcome change, nice post!!