House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

The Washington Post

After laying the groundwork for a decisive vote this week on the Senate's health-care bill, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested Monday that she might attempt to pass the measure without having members vote on it.

Instead, Pelosi (D-Calif.) would rely on a procedural sleight of hand: The House would vote on a more popular package of fixes to the Senate bill; under the House rule for that vote, passage would signify that lawmakers "deem" the health-care bill to be passed.

The tactic -- known as a "self-executing rule" or a "deem and pass" -- has been commonly used, although never to pass legislation as momentous as the $875 billion health-care bill. It is one of three options that Pelosi said she is considering for a late-week House vote, but she added that she prefers it because it would politically protect lawmakers who are reluctant to publicly support the measure.

"It's more insider and process-oriented than most people want to know," the speaker said in a roundtable discussion with bloggers Monday. "But I like it," she said, "because people don't have to vote on the Senate bill."

Republicans quickly condemned the strategy, framing it as an effort to avoid responsibility for passing the legislation, and some suggested that Pelosi's plan would be unconstitutional.

"It's very painful and troubling to see the gymnastics through which they are going to avoid accountability," Rep. David Dreier (Calif.), the senior Republican on the House Rules Committee, told reporters. "And I hope very much that, at the end of the day, that if we are going to have a vote, we will have a clean up-or-down vote that will allow the American people to see who is supporting this Senate bill and who is not supporting this Senate bill."

When at first you don't succeed...change the rules!

Thought?

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Just throw them all out.

Time to give a bunch of rookies a chance to see if they can do better.

Something tells me that this will pass no matter what. While I have only read portions of the bill, I am certainly no expert on the whole thing. It takes a certain breed of lawyer to fully comprehend what is in those 2000+ pages.
Anything that the government is so eager to to push has got to have a hidden agenda.

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Horrible, just horrible.

I will feel horrible that the law that allows my brother to finally have access to health insurance was passed via an obscure parliamentary maneuver.

Looks like sometimes the ends do justify the means,


Best,
Skunknuts

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my brother to finally have access to health insurance

How long will your brother have to wait to get that health insurance?

Furthermore, are you certain he will be one of the fortunate one? Right now we have about 84% with health insurance(less since economy is in dump) and by the time this is said and done, about 94% are covered. That leaves about 6% uncovered.

Of course, that all depends on best case scenarios.

Yes, I want millions of people like your brother to have healthcare. We merely disagree on the bill.

Also be warned...

In it's present from it will take 3 Yrs to enact it, but, you start paying now...

...Like paying rent on a Apartment you can't move into for 3 Yrs...Hmmm...

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Not sure, but from what I've read, he will be eligible to PURCHASE a policy on the newly established exchange that pools people together and allows selection of a plan in a manner similar to the way congressmen do....

Yes, this bill is not ideal. However, 'starting over' is a euphemism cooked up by the powers that be to keep the status quo and guarantee that my brother would likely never be able to have access to a decent policy.

I'm glad that you do want people covered, as that shows you are a decent human being. I am not a commie fascist, but I do think human life should come before the guarantee of obscene profit, in this instance.

Best,
Skunknuts


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Originally posted by Hx3_1963
Also be warned...

In it's present from it will take 3 Yrs to enact it, but, you start paying now...

...Like paying rent on a Apartment you can't move into for 3 Yrs...Hmmm...

Many of the popular parts of this bill will be enacted quickly. Once this is passed, more actual information will be widely available. For instance:


Q: Can I get insurance if I have a pre-existing condition?

A: Yes.

* One of the most important aspects of this reform is to finally end the practice of insurance companies denying you coverage based on your health status.
* Soon after the law is enacted, insurance companies will no longer be allowed to deny coverage to children with pre-existing conditions. Uninsured adults with pre-existing conditions will have access to a high-risk pool. And once the insurance exchange marketplace is up and running, insurance companies will no longer be allowed to deny coverage to anyone based on their health status.

www.whitehouse.gov...

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Originally posted by keepureye2thesky
Something tells me that this will pass no matter what. While I have only read portions of the bill, I am certainly no expert on the whole thing. It takes a certain breed of lawyer to fully comprehend what is in those 2000+ pages.
Anything that the government is so eager to to push has got to have a hidden agenda.

Sadly I think your right about it passing this time. As for the bill itself you know as well as I that it's written that way on purpose because they think/ hope the "normal" person won't understand any of it.
Also agree with your last point. And I keep asking myself "Why are the bound and determined to shove this down our throats?"

Originally posted by Chance321

Originally posted by keepureye2thesky
Something tells me that this will pass no matter what. While I have only read portions of the bill, I am certainly no expert on the whole thing. It takes a certain breed of lawyer to fully comprehend what is in those 2000+ pages.
Anything that the government is so eager to to push has got to have a hidden agenda.

Sadly I think your right about it passing this time. As for the bill itself you know as well as I that it's written that way on purpose because they think/ hope the "normal" person won't understand any of it.
Also agree with your last point. And I keep asking myself "Why are the bound and determined to shove this down our throats?"

Sorry, but I am not paranoid, nor dissuaded from my opinion by memes like 'shove it down our throats.'

I pride myself on being a high-information voter, as well as understanding what is in the self-interest of me and my family. Your rehashed pushing of talking points just won't have the effect on me that they had on you....

Best,
Skunknuts

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Buyer Beware:

They might not be able to deny you, but, did you just notice that sentence about the "High Risk Pool"?

Wonder how much more that will be?

Originally posted by Hx3_1963
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Buyer Beware:

They might not be able to deny you, but, did you just notice that sentence about the "High Risk Pool"?

Wonder how much more that will be?

Not sure where you live, but many states already have very successful high risk policies that are very reasonable and life-saving. Do a google search, as they say. Isn't risk sharing supposed to be the whole point of insurance anyway? But you are right, it will work better once a public option type deal is enacted, eventually (as it will make the pool larger, thus spreading the risk. Also, it will finally force some market competition in an industry that has a protected monopoly status).

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Do not forget that this bill also has a component that takes over ALL of the loans for future higher education.

No, this bill has nothing to do with CONTROL. /s

No, this bill has nothing to do with eliminating the private markets. /s

No, this administration has nothing to do with fundamentally changing the nation into a government fascist system. No, not at all. /s

Originally posted by skunknuts

Many of the popular parts of this bill will be enacted quickly. Once this is passed, more actual information will be widely available.

[edit on 3/15/2010 by skunknuts]

Oh, I bet it will. Once people finish reading it.

In reality it should be called health insurance reform because I don't see where it's going to reform health care. The real obscenity isn't the cost of the insurance, it's the cost of the service. If there weren't so many high cost procedures, preventative or otherwise and medications weren't so expensive, many people wouldn't need insurance. I had seizures from 1961 as a boy until 1982 as a young adult and my parents or myself managed to pay for doctor visits and anticonvulsants without insurance, not that we were particularly well to do.

Without trying to sound morbid, in the end, you're going to die and it probably won't be when you expect it regardless of what measures you take to ward it off. All the screenings and medications in the world won't stop nature from throwing you a curve. Health insurance is no panacea. There are people that need it more than others and there are people that will scarcely ever or never need it. That doesn't mean that I'm obligated to pay for it for anyone other than myself if I so choose.

Never lose sight of the fact that that nothing is "free" and nobody should be obligated to pay for something for someone else. Given the option to contribute, fine, I probably would. Forced to? That's not what this country is supposed to be about.

I realize that freedom of choice went out the window a long time ago but the further we get away from it, it seems the fewer choices we have.

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I hope he's ready to pay $800+ a month. Once this passes, to compansate excise taxes and mandatory protection .. insurance companies are going to jack prices through the roof. Don't want to pay for the new high paying premium? Get ready to pay $750+ to go without.

Ya.. I can't WAIT to pay a fee because I STILL won't be able to afford insurance.

Notice how Pelosi avoids explaining this to the voters..

"It's more insider and process-oriented than most people want to know," the speaker said in a roundtable discussion with bloggers Monday.

And then she tries to avoid paying the bill come this November...

"But I like it," she said, "because people don't have to vote on the Senate bill."

What are the recall (impeachment) steps for a Speaker of the House?

They are wiping there asses with are constitution. According to the supreme court the powers given to the congress are the congresses alone and can not be given or transferred to the president. That is basically what they will be doing if they use the slaughter rule.
I truly fear for are country. There has bin silent coupe-de-ta (spelling) that has been over looked by our one sided main stream media. They have an agenda that if they mange to get it all passed will strip us of our constitutional rights.
This bill is taxation for lousy legislation. I know we need to fix health care. This is no fix it’s a power grab.
Does any one here realy know what is in this bill or what they are voting on. I doubt it.

This is really turning into a freaking nightmare now. Murfdog has a valid point. What exactly is in this bill that they (the house) are bound and determined to shove this bill through at all costs?
When I was younger I was under the impression that the press was the peoples watch dog, reporting on things that should concern the public. Instead, now the watch dog is a lap dog to TPTB.
If this bill passes will we be able to stop this train wreck in the next round of elections?