For 2012, go to the source, and listen to Mayan Grand Elder Grandfather Cirilo Perez Oxlaj

A surviving Mayan?

It was believed that the Mayan civilisation disappeared long even before the Spanish troops conquered S.America. When the spanish troops visited the monuments at Palenque, none of the natives admitted to being the ones who build them, and attributed it to another civilisation that once lived as the builders.

And it was easily accepted, as those natives present were living in huts and no way the Spanish troops could reconcile the builders to them, who were the Aztec civilisation that came from Mexico and squatted on the majestic ruins of the Mayas.

Evidence of the Maya disappearance by scholars was attributed to the bewildering end of its monument constructions and inscriptions on those structures, as well as the overgrown vegetation hiding many of those structures even during the Spanish conquerors time.

I guess any 'red indian' who resided in Mexico can claimed to be a Mayan.

PS: I am not disputing the elder's message. Just want some better clarification, espacially on something as crucial as the Mayan Calender that was written by a civilisation that mysteriously disappeared.

Peace

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Exactly. There are no authentic Mayans alive today. People claim to be ancestors, and they are indirectly. That doesn't automatically make them an expert on Mayan prophecies.

Just sayin'.

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Well, certainly.... Everyone wants to hear, "Ahhhhhhhh,Ahhhhhhhh, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!" I don't know why, but western culture has a fixation on that sort of thing.

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Oh, but I bet you really feed into the "doom and gloom" bull# that western culture promulgates about 2012. What the # does western culture know about anything, especially when it comes of spiritual significance? We are a bunch of hedonistic materialists.

Yeah, I'd say that he knows a bit more about his own culture than what the rest of us do.


[edit on 14-3-2010 by SpeakerofTruth]

My guess on the 3 day's of dark is:

Maybe the " Dark Sun" Is a brown dwarf that come's into our solar system

I've also heard that there were going to be 3 eclipse's in 2012

Yellowstone erupt's

Another theory i heard is that Project bluebeam is instilled
and having a false flag alien invasion enable's the Annunaki to come back into play and save humanity.The Annunaki have been hiding out in the hollow earth "allegedly". By the Annunaki doing so they can be accepted back into humanity............ That theory is far out there..but then again is it really??

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Wish I could have went.I would have loved it. It is always better to get information from the source than it is to rely on a bunch of second and third hand variations.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
reply to post by LiquidMirage

 

Well, certainly.... Everyone wants to hear, "Ahhhhhhhh,Ahhhhhhhh, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!" I don't know why, but western culture has a fixation on that sort of thing.

Everyone is interested in death. It's akin to seeing babies born. Everyone is interested in a birth and everyone is interested in the end of all things. I take the point of view that there will be an eventually end to all life on Earth. It doesn't matter if that is 5 million years from now or tomorrow. It is inevitable.

I find it funny people are taking issue with this guy saying he is a mayan. The Mayans did not "disappear". It appears they simply disbanded their large cities and went back to a more village based style of living. From what I've read this seems to be the case. They were having difficulties acquiring food. It would make sense that others in the cities would just leave. This isn't "disappearance", it's disbanding. The blood line of the Mayans still continued and it's likely their knowledge was passed down among these collectives as well.

[edit on 14-3-2010 by antonia]

My thing has always been "prepare for the worst, hope for the best".

FOR ANY EVENT!

Its not a bad thing to be prepared. Its actually kinda fun (i LURV camping goodies )

When it comes down to it, we have two choices.

1. Die in a paranoid chaos that may (or may not) be of our own making.

2. Finish the game.

I ,for one, choose to finish the game.

Years ago as a kid, I read the "Chronicles of Thomas Covenant".
In the event you have no idea about it, a leper passes out on occassion and finds himself in a alternate world and has a separate life. All he has with him is what is on his back and in his pockets.

Crazy as it seems, I've always had a "what if" streak. I always carry some very basic survival goodies in a small box in a pocket...just in case


just because your paranoid......

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
I hope you understand why he is saying its the new year.....its because the long cycle calender (one of the three intertwined calenders that make up the mayan calender) is coming to an end. There's nothing significant about the date other than that. It is a time of celebration for the Mayan, not some apocalyspe thought of by ignorant westerners who dont understand how the mayan calenders operate

Agreed. But there are other prophecies which match the Mayan calendar and speak about some side effects in a different context. Those 3 days without the Sun is mentioned in several cultures and each one with it's own twists added to it.

The thing is, no one really know what will happen and when not even the Quiche people.

The good thing is that 2012 is really close. Once it's gone some will be able to leave that behind while others will keep postponing the dates to keep preaching the doom to others.

Anyway hard so say anything, so I rather stick with the good and old accept your own ignorance scenario and say "I don't know".

Prophecies are somehow dangerous things, not because of the prophecies it self but because some lunatics do their best to fulfill them consciously and others unconsciously.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
reply to post by LiquidMirage

 

Well, certainly.... Everyone wants to hear, "Ahhhhhhhh,Ahhhhhhhh, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!" I don't know why, but western culture has a fixation on that sort of thing.

Kidding aside, I can’t really blame them or us humanity. Just look around and you see pain, misery and suffering today, some on higher scales and some on lower scales, the reality of our collective mistakes made. There can be no denying us humanity is ultimately responsible, for we shared the world and are the same species, that had either done something wrong or had failed to address such errors collectively…..

But rather than to hide and cower in fear, it would be better if we acknowledge such mistakes, and FIX it, rectify it as best as we naturally flawed humans are. That will take the collective effort, for only in knowledge and wisdom can we eradicate fears and come out with solutions.

Some believe in Pre-destination – destiny. At some point civilizations will cease. But are we at that point yet? Look back at our recorded history (less the enigmatic ones such as the Mayans or Harrapans), had the more famous civilizations truly ended? None at all.

Only political doctrines ended, as naturally it would due to their errors. Rome ended, but indigenous Romans still lived till today in Italians. Greek Hellenistic civilization ended, but there are still indigenous Greeks today. Sumerian civilization ended, but indigenous middle easterners still live today.

And judging by our progress and evolution since the dawn of civilization, our destiny is not one of extinction, but to take that leap into space and to the stars, egalitarianly. And destiny cannot be changed. It is pre-destined, for those who subscribed to it.

Only fate can be altered. Predictions and Prophecies, even by supposedly ‘true’ soothsayers or prophets, are but a fate in store for us should we evolve on the wrong path. Should we choose wisely, rectify our errors, that 'in stored' fate can yet be changed.

And such change begins with you and me, to meet our rightful destiny, as one race.




[edit on 14-3-2010 by SeekerofTruth101]

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2012! well as its one of your threads iamonlyhuman and i like your style and your avy i shall read the lot, yes just little more than a one liner to give you some kudos, actully i add you as a friend too and what the heck have a star. stealthy~

Originally posted by antonia
I find it funny people are taking issue with this guy saying he is a mayan. The Mayans did not "disappear". It appears they simply disbanded their large cities and went back to a more village based style of living. From what I've read this seems to be the case. They were having difficulties acquiring food. It would make sense that others in the cities would just leave. This isn't "disappearance", it's disbanding. The blood line of the Mayans still continued and it's likely their knowledge was passed down among these collectives as well.

[edit on 14-3-2010 by antonia]

Certainly. They didn't really disappear like the colony at Roanoke or anything like that. Their civilization disintegrated for whatever reason. However, their were bands of them that survived.

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the Earth becomes dark for a period of 60 to 70 hours…

It's seems much like the same scenario seen during the alignment of Nibiru/Sun/Earth, in past eras. Interesting this Mayan elder put a new interval of 5.200 years against 3.600 of Zecharia Sitchin and 3.750 of Dr. Michael Salla. Then of one side we have those who say "A major cataclysm will happen around 2012..." and the other side we have those who say "Don't worry people, there's nothing to worry about..."
Honestly I hope these Mayan elders hadn't said something like "Don't worry" before the Mayans had been assaulted and murdered by the spanish conquerors...

The ancient and many modern Maya groups believe that the universe has been renewed four previous times. The first attempt at human life produced animals instead; the second produced a people made of clay who would eventually become certain insects (such as ants and bees); the third attempt produced monkeys; and the fourth attempt produced us: "true humans." Each prior attempt at the human creation was destroyed by a different catastrophe which ended the universe. These stories vary by Maya group: the animals were nearly destroyed by a flood, the people of clay were nearly destroyed by a flood and then a global firestorm, the monkey-people were attacked by their own belongings and their animals.

This sounds very very likely -

If they can't get the facts straight about the past how will they do when predicting the future?

Very badly I'd say.

The old man sais "we would be inside" therefore darkness for X time; now, i know nothing about astronomy but the only way this could happen is if the earth stoped spinning, so if this could happen i guess we all would be experiensing different consequences on diferent parts of the world. The Mayan made a fire and let it burn for X days..in egytp it was three days of light...maybe somewere else there was earth quakes and tsunamies etc= atlantis and noah arch and so on.
Is it possible earth stops when passing the galactic equator?

No wonder some very powerfull people are buying land in some specific areas of latinamerica!

All we can really do is wait and see, but whatever anyone person says doesn't change that mankind as a whole is on the edge of change, good or bad possibly. Either that or we are all READY for a true change.

I may be totally off base here, but wasn't the Mayan language a dead language for centuries? Or at least the glyphs and their calendar? Here is an excerpt for Wiki:

The decipherment of the writing was a long and laborious process. Nineteenth century and early 20th century investigators managed to decode the Maya numbers and portions of the texts related to astronomy and the Maya calendar, but understanding of most of the rest long eluded scholars. In the 1930s, Benjamin Whorf wrote a number of published and unpublished essays, proposing to identify phonetic elements within the writing system. Although some specifics of his decipherment claims were later shown to be incorrect, the central argument of his work, that Maya hieroglyphs were phonetic (or more specifically, syllabic), was later supported by the work of Yuri Knorozov, who played a major role in deciphering Maya writing.[14] In 1952, Knorozov published the paper "Ancient Writing of Central America" arguing that the so-called "de Landa alphabet" contained in Bishop Diego de Landa's manuscript Relación de las Cosas de Yucatán was actually made of syllabic, rather than alphabetic symbols. He further improved his decipherment technique in his 1963 monograph "The Writing of the Maya Indians" and published translations of Maya manuscripts in his 1975 work "Maya Hieroglyphic Manuscripts". In the 1960s, progress revealed the dynastic records of Maya rulers. Since the early 1980s it has been demonstrated that most of the previously unknown symbols form a syllabary, and progress in reading the Maya writing has advanced rapidly since.

The Maya may have inherited some elements, and perhaps the entire basis, of their ancient writing system from the Olmecs, which was significantly modified and expanded by the Maya of the Pre-Classic era. Pre-Classic texts are less numerous and less well understood by archaeologists than the later Classic and Post-Classic texts. (However, the Isthmian (or Epi-Olmec) script once thought of as a possible direct ancestor of the Maya script is now known to be several centuries too recent, and may instead be a descendant.) Other related and nearby Mesoamerican cultures of the period were also heirs to the Olmec writing system, and developed parallel systems which shared key attributes (such as the base-twenty numerical system written with a system of bars and dots). However, it is generally believed that the Maya developed the only complete writing system in Mesoamerica, meaning that they were the only civilization that could write everything they could say.

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

So, maybe I am wrong on this thought, but...If this was deciphered in the 20th Century, then how can Grand Elder Grandfather Cirilo Perez Oxlaj be any more knowledgeable on the interpretation of the calendar than any other person? I get the impression that the indigenous people there are trying to cash in on the 2012 hype and are passing themselves off as experts just because they are Mayan, as if being from Mayan heritage intrinsically gives him understanding of something that was lost for centuries.

Again, I may be off base in my assumptions here, but wanted to put this out for discussion as well. So does simply having Mayan heritage give one more credibility than someone who is not? If so, why?

Nice topic OP!

S&F

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
reply to post by beebs

 

I'm waiting for the fanatics to come on here and say, "Well, doesn't the bible say that the moon will turn red as blood and the sun as dark as sack cloth?" There will be panic.

That is why it is important that people be INFORMED....Deny ignorance. This thread, in my opinion, is a good start.

[edit on 13-3-2010 by SpeakerofTruth]

I believe that reference is to a lunar eclipse at Jerusalem that will occur about 2000 years after the death of Jesus. Apparently, there was a 1/2 lunar eclipse around 6pm on the day He was crucified, also. The next one will be complete 100% lunar eclipse visible from Jerusalem. It will achieve totality at exactly midnight. Significant, I believe.


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I've been down there several times on vacation and what I found interesting is just how many Mayan priest and priestesses there are. They all have an interesting yet different interpretation of the Mayan prophecies as related to the Mayan calender and they all want money.

well 3 days of darkness? sounds like time for some serious hands in the air rave up! i am currently cornering the market in "glow-sticks" for the event, I SHALL BE RICH. RICH I TELL YOU.