MIT researchers discover new energy source

reply to post by davesidious


That is not entirely true.

While it does explain some supposed "conspiracies", it does not effectively explain the problems with the automotive industry.

All one needs to do is look at the fuel standards in Europe compared to the US and it is blatantly obvious that US car companies have no interest in selling cars that get over 30 MPG in the US market.
The buyers in this market can't create a demand for something that they do not have access to buy.

This has a lot to do with the petroleum industry, in my humble opinion, but that gets into some "conspiracy" territory.

I could make the same comment about the electric car, or several different modes of transportation that do not use petrol as their primary fuel source.

Technology and science does get suppressed. All one needs to do is look at the story of Wilhelm Reich for ample proof.
Or Nikola Tesla.

Everywhere that Reich went, he was put into jail or his work was burned.
Sounds like he might have been onto something to me.

Yeeeeeey!

we received a little piece of the small pie they hide from us!



How F'in convenient

reply to post by Josephus23


Oh, so you don't have any evidence, just the names Reich and Tesla. Thanks for clearing that up. You do know this is the Science & Technology forum, and not the Stuff I heard while listening to Coast 2 Coast forum, right? If you're going to make wild accusations in this forum, it would be great if you could provide evidence.

I will repeat my stance: There have been no peer-reviewed papers outlining anyone ever achieving "free energy", nor has anyone ever demonstrated, in controlled settings, a "free energy" device of any description.

Someone somewhere in a military office just jumped for joy "woohoo now our special forces dont have to hump an extra 10lb battery pack"...

If this is true, it will be a breakthrough. I'm hoping it is, but like everything you must wait and see.

Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by projectnsearch

 

There haven't been any discoveries of free energy ever, let alone in the last 50 years. Please provide us with some evidence, in the form of peer-reviewed papers outlining the experiments, and their results. Otherwise you are wrong.

I thought this post was about a battery, not free energy.

The corporation that sells you electricity has a stranglehold on all the free energy ideas. It will suppress them to maintain its profits. It will bribe and threaten anyone who opposes the status quo.

Originally posted by Free People of Earth
it most likely won't be released to the public, it will be used as some kind of weapon, just like Einsteins theories

Uhhh, which einstein theories got supressed?

See the problem here is, is that the military has to step in and pay for these things.

Obviously a lot of technological advances have been from money forwarded to people from the military, but the problem is, once something is discovered it is the sole property of the US government. They can do whatever they want with it, they can take the patients and basically hide them in some secret vault to keep us from progressing.

This sort of stuff is exactly why I decided not to get into pharmacology - I wanted to help make new medicine and such but once I found out the truth about big pharma I realized it would be stupid to try and create any new medicine without owning a private lab which is very expensive and it would be very hard to get the licenses from the DEA to acquire the precursors I would need to make new medications.

We as the people need to donate money to private citizens and allow them to come up with new tech that way the citizens could protect their new technology. Until that day comes, we will never advance as a civilization, unless the shadow government allows some new tech to come available which would only be released at their benefit.

reply to post by guyopitz


Please, as I asked the first person to mention such conspiracies, provide some sources. You state your claim with such certainty, and yet I bet you don't have any actual evidence of free energy devices existing. Please. You'd be the first person in the world to show such evidence. I eagerly await said evidence. That is, unless you are being irrational and have no such evidence...

As mentioned, the main show-stopper here is ability to mass produce carbon nanotubes. If they could be mass produced, this is just scratching the surface of what they would be used for, like the "space elevator".

reply to post by davesidious


Settle down homes.

If you were to read my post, which I am kind baffled at your response, then you would have noticed that the majority of the post was dedicated to the domestic automotive industry.

I am not sure where you got the "free energy" aspect of your comment from anything that I typed.
I merely commented that what you stated was not entirely true.

And I still stand behind that statement.

I linked Tesla and Reich, it is not my fault that you did not take the time to read about either of them.

And as far as a peer reviewed paper of the work of Tesla and Reich, ummmm....

It is totally impossible to provide you with any of that, because the US government seized all of Tesla's work and imprisoned Reich, which is where he died consequently, and that is after Anna Freud helped them burn all of his work.
(just in case you didn't know. That is how one's work becomes suppressed. And this section seemed like a great place to comment on that)

I think that pretty much refutes your statement concerning the free market and suppressed technologies.

I mean I could parse your logic, but I really don't need to.

Your fallacies should be blatantly obvious to all who are reading.

They could be used to produce a working time machine.

reply to post by davesidious


The way it seems to work based off my limited time on this forum-

Its real but we are not allowed to know about it. It has been hidden from us.

The evidence of it existing has been suppressed. Every time a wonderful discovery is made it it becomes supressed. Thats why you can't get the evidence. You also cannot get the evidence of the supression, as that has also been supressed. The proof of this suppression is the self-evident motives of the self-evident supressors. By existing they prove the claim that such discovery was supressed by them. They are usually a unified front of main stream scientest or an ancient and powerful secret group that has suppressed the very evidence of their existence. There is however, anecdotal evidence of their existence and maybe some pictures of symbols or the dollar bill or something.

In fact anyone with fantastic scientific claims that have been ridiculed was done so as a smear campaign and not because of their science was bunk. There is always "anecdotal evidence" to support this smear campaign, usually by the claimer themselves. They however, desipite being alive, can produce no scienctific evidence of their discoveries. Only flowerly descriptions of their theories and vague references to "experiments" they did.

If their ideas/experiments worked and they were ridiculed you would have something but unfortunately their ideas were sabotaged. They have often decided not to release their findings to the public. There is no proof of this sabotage, as it has been suppressed. There is however "anecdotal evidence" to support this.

If they are dead then it is assumed that they made working exampled of their theories but it was stolen and hidden from the masses. This is known due to the deceased own claims of having such a device and the lack of a device being found. There is also "anecdotal evidence" to support this.

So, if you want anything that could verify any one of these claims scientifically you will be dissapointed as it dose not exist, but as you will find there is much anecdotal evidence to support that it did once exist but has been hidden from us. Ofcourse you cannot deny that it existed in the first place as that is held to be self-evident.

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reply to post by Josephus23


I am not specifically referring to you with my above post nor am I saying that you are wrong. Just to the whole tired "its been supressed" argument often presented as proof of a concept.

I will however say that just becasue someones work was destroyed does not mean that their ideas were correct. That they made enemys dose not mean that their scientific principles were sound. Not saying that they weren't, just that one cannot offer the destruction of their work as scientific proof that over-unity exist.

We don't know if it worked or not, and by that measure we have no proof of over-unity.

reply to post by Blazer


We also have to figure out how to connect them end-to-end or to make one really long one. And then we have to figure out how to mass produce that. From then on its just a matter of sitting back and watching the world change.

reply to post by garritynet


That is exactly my point. I was simply stating that things get suppressed.
And since the government suppresses the information, it is impossible to validate.

Although, I would be inclined to believe Tesla's claims considering the wealth of other inventions that he gave us (like alternating current).
It is truly a shame that governments and other powerful psychopaths go to such lengths to suppress information.

I totally understood your comment and I agree with it.

reply to post by SeeingBlue


it just seems to be applicable to portable electronics

Originally posted by deltaalphanovember
reply to post by davesidious

 

Well, to be honest, the only reason that I joined ATS, was because of my paranoia - it has a voracious appetite and needs to be fed regularly.

However, just because most conspiracy theories are b/s - doesn't mean there aren't any real ones.
The military, by necessity, works under a veil of secrecy - and they do not have a very good track record.

Rest assured that you won't find any top secret research being done at MIT and much less being published anywhere the publics eyes can reach. If they want just for themselves they have the resources to simply assemble a team on a non-disclosed location and keep it as a secret.

Using MIT and publishing the results on the internet for the entire world isn't exactly a "veil of secrecy"

Originally posted by davesidious
Carbon nanotubes are very toxic to humans.

So is cadmium, lithium and a whole bunch of other stuff that we use on a daily basis.

Originally posted by Free People of Earth
it most likely won't be released to the public, it will be used as some kind of weapon, just like Einsteins theories

Yep, Einstein theories weren't used for anything else aside weapons and E=MC2 is probably the most suppressed equation in history.

Please!