Chinese minister insists Google obey the law

Originally posted by Silver Shadow


The Chinese could shut down the entire US economy like turning off a light switch.

Maybe the west could just as simply shut down China's oil supply? Actually it seems some sort of deal is being formulated.

Britain says China won't risk isolation over Iran

LONDON, March 12 (Reuters) - Britain's ambassador to China said on Friday that Beijing risks isolation if it fails to join international efforts to impose sanctions on Iran over its nuclear programme.

Speaking via videolink from Beijing before a visit to the country by Foreign Secretary David Miliband, Sebastian Wood told a London briefing that Britain and China shared the same goals in preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

"It's not in China's interests to find itself isolated from permanent members of the Security Council or the E3+3. It would damage China internationally," he said.

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The Chinese could shut down the entire US economy like turning off a light switch.

If China knew they could destroy the US without firing a shot, they would have already done it.

There is a reason they haven't.

Originally posted by Silver Shadow

America now must borrow over three billion dollars every single day, just to survive as a nation.

The Chinese could shut down the entire US economy like turning off a light switch.

Why would they do that?

The Americans told them how they could participate in the big shell game.

A = America
C = China

A = "Hey we're gonna show you how to create money."
C = "OK"
A = "We are gonna send you 100 pretend credits and then put up 1,000 pretend credits for sale. You buy our pretend credits and we will pay you double."
C = "Hey that sounds like a great plan"
A = "Hey it's all going bad"
C= "Oh counfucious, what do we do?"
A = "Remain calm, everything is under control"

Conversation interupt

Disident American = "Oh yeah?"

Originally posted by jam321


If China knew they could destroy the US without firing a shot, they would have already done it.

There is a reason they haven't.

Ah ! You think like an American.

You naively assume that military conquest by brute force is the only way to ever own anything.

No work, no long term planning, no cleverness, just use weapons and deadly force to rob people.

But the Chinese are a lot smarter than that.
They are now going around and buying up resources all over the world using US dollars. They are not invading or plundering, but BUYING.

Originally posted by Silver Shadow

Ah ! You think like an American.

You naively assume that military conquest by brute force is the only way to ever own anything.

No work, no long term planning, no cleverness, just use weapons and deadly force to rob people.

But the Chinese are a lot smarter than that.

They are now going around and buying up resources all over the world using US dollars. They are not invading or plundering, but BUYING.

Beat us at our own game are they now?

The chinese are puppets.

Dance chinaman, dance.

[edit on 12-3-2010 by In nothing we trust]

No they are not beating you at your own game.

They have a very different game......and that is the entire point.

Anyhow, when the big economic collapse comes to America, and gasoline starts being rationed, we shall see if you guys are still laughing.

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The same economy that buys most of its products branded Made in China? That be like killing your consumers/customers. Stupidest move in economics.

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Maybe you misunderstood my post so I will put it bluntly.

China can't do squat!

I don't care how much of our debt they currently own.

China can't do squat!

reply to post by deltaboy

Yes I am glad you understand this Mexican stand off.

If the Chinese stop loaning the American government money, there will be nothing to pay all the government employees or military with.

The cash, now over three billion per day, will just need to be printed.
That will cause hyperinflation and the complete end of the US dollar.

The Chinese can just spend that money elsewhere instead of loaning it to America.

While the US is the largest single customer of Chinese crap, it is not the only customer.
America only makes up 5% of global population.
The Chinese economy would certainly suffer a hit, but it would not be anywhere near as catastrophic as the resulting collapse in America.

Anyhow, time is fast running out, we shall all soon see all this happen.

So, Google is going to get an empty bowl of rice from China? Cry me a river! This war of words between the two is very disturbing. If I were Google I would hold the line and not cave one inch to Chinese demands about how they should run their company. If China sees they can push Google around about how they can do business, then what is to stop them from doing it to other companies?

If they lose the lucrative market in China, so be it! Sometimes you have to stand on principle, whether it is profitable or not. China may be turning into a first world power in terms of quality of life for its people and economic prowess, but they are regressive in the form of totalitarian initiatives like this one with Google. It is really getting tiresome, and this concept of hacking into other countries computers, embassies, and other networks of importance ought to be deemed as a provocative move. However, this phenomenon seems to be put on the back-burner. I would not go so far as saying it is an act of war, but it is dangerously close.



These acts are not something to be taken lightly and could cause serious harm to not only the US but other countries since most countries rely heavily on the computer for infrastructure operation, records, and the financial system. It could cost billions in loses and severely hinder productivity, emergency services, and the overall operation of government. This is something that should be taken seriously by leaders, because it could have catastrophic affects on the stability of a society and government.

China have embraced the concept of allowing people to conduct business with less government restrictions, however, it is only a smoke screen. The people are severely hindered by government when it comes to accessing the free flow of information and ideas. As for Google, they ought to hold the line on their demands as I am sure the Chinese are, because if the internet giant Google caves into the Chinese government, they will be more emboldened to pressure other companies or even governments in the future.


[edit on 13-3-2010 by Jakes51]

jam, I agree! China can't do squat! The people are on the verge of revolt now, and if they truly take on the US...the country (China) will implode. The little econonmic security that the average citizenhas there comes from the US trade...

slayer, a s&f for the post. Makes me think a corporation (Google) has better negotiation channels than the world governments...

Bumped.

Any latest news or opinions?

Interesting article.

As a boy growing up in the Soviet Union, Sergey Brin witnessed the consequences of censorship. Now the Google Inc. co-founder is drawing on that experience in shaping the company's showdown with the Chinese government.

Mr. Brin has long been Google's moral compass on China-related issues, say people familiar with the matter. He expressed the greatest concern among decision makers, they say, about the compromises Google made when it launched its Chinese-language search engine, Google.cn, in 2006. He is now the guiding force behind Google's decision to stop filtering search results in China, say people familiar with the decision.

online.wsj.com...

Microsoft profits

With Google’s future in China uncertain, Motorola and Microsoft cut a deal to put the software giant’s Bing search engine on Android handsets in China.

blogs.zdnet.com...

reply to post by jam321


They are in the process of restabilising their economy ,firstly and successfully developing domestic demand .
secondly , they are diversifying from the dollar into commodities

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Their markets are ready to implode. The Flood of Products and Services are the end game. Race to the bottom with the dollar.


[edit on 13-3-2010 by SLAYER69]

If you operate in a country where there are stricter laws to abide by then you must learn them and abide by them when you do business in their country. Just like foreign companies are liable to American law when they operate in the US no matter how retarded the law is, the same applies for American companies operating overseas... American companies are not god, American companies are not immune to international, national or local laws. GET OVER IT...

Be informed before doing business outside your country...

Magnum

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where did you get this BS from , I hope it's not msn money , because its dollar ready to implode , not chinese yuan or markets .

go read what Jim Rogers , Gerald Celente ,George Soros have to say

Soros and Rogers are bildeberg and they have said it several times , the China is the future and USA will fall .

Screw China.
Google should not give in.
Not an inch.

And btw - screw Microsoft for ass-licking.
What a shame of a company has Microsoft become...
Balmer - get the hell out!

Fresh off the press. Chinese Premier Warns of 'Double Dip' Recession. Nothing about google.

He pledged to "unswervingly" open the economy to outside investors and said foreign businesses were welcome to open businesses in China, especially research and development centers.

He didn't respond to the question's specific mention of Google Inc.'s threat to pull out of China over censorship and alleged cyber attacks and of concerns about China's detention last year of four executives from Anglo-Australian mining giant Rio Tinto on allegations of commercial espionage.

Premier Wen Jiabao Sunday warned other countries not to pressure China over its exchange-rate policy, and argued strongly that the yuan is not undervalued.

Speaking at his annual press conference at the close of the Chinese legislature's session, Mr. Wen was careful not to rule out the possibility that the yuan could resume rising, and he reiterated previous government statements that China intends to continue reforming its currency system.

online.wsj.com...

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This bubble is about to pop.

China’s Wen Rebuffs Yuan Calls, Is ‘Still Worried’ About Dollar

“I don’t think the yuan is undervalued,” Wen said at a press conference in Beijing marking the end of China’s annual parliamentary meetings. Dollar volatility is a “big” concern and “I’m still worried” about China’s U.S. currency holdings, he said.

Wen urged America to “take concrete steps to reassure investors” about the safety of dollar assets, repeating concerns that he expressed a year ago, sparked by a growing U.S. fiscal deficit. Treasury Department figures show China’s holdings of Treasury securities dropped for a second month in December to $894.8 billion.

Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman said March 12 that global economic growth would be about 1.5 percentage points higher if China stopped restraining the value of its currency and running trade surpluses.