Obama's liberal base 'disengaged'

reply to post by concernedcitizan

I for one wasn't duped I was saying from the very beginning that he was just another politician with all that implies but I could hope...

at the same time as a nation we need him simply because while his being elected does not end the race problem its a step in the right direction...just like a woman being elected would be...regardless of how they end up being.

reply to post by iMacFanatic


A fundamental, devastating error is to set up a political system based on desire. Society and life have been organized on the basis of what an individual wants, not on what is good for him or her...Just as only one out of 100,000 has the talent to be an engineer or an acrobat, similarly only very few are able to solve the matters of the nation and humankind. Only rare people can perceive the connections between matters in the big picture, and to unravel the key questions: what caused each fact and to what will it lead. In this time and this part of the World we are heedlessly hanging on democracy and parliamentary system, even though these are the most mindless and desperate experiments in the history of mankind...In democratic countries the destruction of nature and sum of ecological disasters has accumulated most...Our only hope lies in strong central government and uncompromising control of the individual citizen.

Originally posted by concernedcitizan
reply to post by iMacFanatic

 

...In democratic countries the destruction of nature and sum of ecological disasters has accumulated most...Our only hope lies in strong central government and uncompromising control of the individual citizen.

Go look at eastern Europe and Russia's ecological mess or China's...they are all far worse than ours.

Sorry while I know the idea of a smaller government is a ruse to sell to the marks to vote Republican but fascism and dictatorships are a dead end too.

reply to post by iMacFanatic


Any dictatorship would be better than modern democracy. There cannot be so incompetent dictator, that he would show more stupidity than a majority of the people. Best dictatorship would be one where lots of heads would roll and government would prevent any economical growth.

reply to post by concernedcitizan

If you want to start a thread promoting dictatorship then go for it. I will be happy to argue with you about dictatorship there.

But this thread is about Obama and his apparently shrinking base.

reply to post by iMacFanatic


Talk all you want about Obama. Does'nt change a thing. As multiple problems with our environment and social instability cannot be checked any longer, look for a sea change away from the liberal ideal toward a pragmatic, conservative one. Bye.

Back to the subject at hand...

What would it take for Obama to reengage his base?

Personally my answer is to start being engaged himself...stop thinking that you are above the fray.

Don't just go around the country and give speeches...roll up your damned sleeves and wade into the fight...its not a private one, anyone can join in.

And stop sucking up to Wall street...put Main street first.

reply to post by iMacFanatic

And stop sucking up to Wall street...put Main street first.

Won't happen, he's already SOLD OUT!

Obama's administration is more involved in, sold out to Wall Street than any presidency in our memory!

Obama's Big Sellout

What's taken place in the year since Obama won the presidency has turned out to be one of the most dramatic political about-faces in our history. Elected in the midst of a crushing economic crisis brought on by a decade of orgiastic deregulation and unchecked greed, Obama had a clear mandate to rein in Wall Street and remake the entire structure of the American economy. What he did instead was ship even his most marginally progressive campaign advisers off to various bureaucratic Siberias, while packing the key economic positions in his White House with the very people who caused the crisis in the first place. This new team of bubble-fattened ex-bankers and laissez-faire intellectuals then proceeded to sell us all out, instituting a massive, trickle-up bailout and systematically gutting regulatory reform from the inside

Emmm... Obama is not on our side! He's following another program, one much more cynical!

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I guess this toy isn’t so shiny anymore.

reply to post by plumranch

And the right calls him a socialist is what I find is so funny.

A real socialist would never even be allowed to get on a primary ballot much less win one much less win the candidacy or the election.

The powers that be approve of whoever wins before we even get the chance to vote...

I never saw him as a threat but look how neatly Dean was destroyed in 04. That pep rally shout was nothing...absolutely nothing but after the media got their marching orders they made him look like a raving lunatic and his candidacy was over.

Nah Obama is no socialist....the powers that be would never allow anyone who was even a vague threat to their vested interests anywhere near the oval office...he was given the stamp of approval long before the primaries were over.

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My take on this is that Obama and his supporters are all victims of naiveté.

I don’t doubt that President Obama came into office with all sorts of grand delusions about how he could create a better world; merely armed with optimism and a bushel full of hope.

Now reality is setting in. It’s one thing to believe that you can make everyone happy – it’s another to achieve it. The realities of the world are far different than high-minded ideals that one may possess. I don’t believe that Obama ever understood the difference. Now harsh reality is setting in. Obama is forced to accept the fact that there are people that hate the U.S. no matter how much you talk to them. He’s faced with the undeniable truth that you can’t give everyone everything for free. He’s faced with the problem that things don’t always work the way you think they should.

He came into office with an innocence tempered with an arrogance that made him think that all that was needed was a person with the right ideas. Ideas can change the world, but there’s a lot more to it than just having a good idea. I don’t think President Obama or his supporters ever understood that.

It is also quite possible that Mr. Obama was naive as well.

Sold out, lost his way, was overwhelmed by the immensity of the truth, or perhaps just couldn't cope with the challenge, it doesn't really matter. In the end we have no representation to protect the citizens of our nation against the entrenched opportunists, oligarchs, and technocrats most of whom were not elected to the office they occupy.

Sadly, I do not believe President Obama is inclined or capable of restoring the nation to herself, perhaps because it takes a nation to effect such a restoration.

We are not a nation to those who feed upon our productivity and wealth, we are 'resources' (human) that pay to consume, and labor to maintain debt.

They pay to keep us in that paradigm. Where there are those willing to pay, there are usually sellers.... like politicians, and think tanks, universities, and research institutes, and other such entities.

If Obama truly were what most seemed to believe he was (hope), he would be screaming at the top of his lungs, "America, wake up, we have been had."

Sort of like JFK tried to do.... and a few notable others before him.

He should betray every deep dark secret 'the system' has to offer, and we, the people, can get to work fixing it, instead of wallowing in ignorant media-induced bliss. Or perhaps not.

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Sadly, I do not believe President Obama is inclined or capable of restoring the nation to herself, perhaps because it takes a nation to effect such a restoration.

Many of Obama's critics can't make any sense of what he is doing or trying to accomplish and simply say he is probably just DOING HIS BEST TO RUIN THE COUNTRY and put it into debt forever!

Sadly, in retrospect that seem to fit the Obama administration the best!

Hope turns to despair, Obama Job Approval at New Low!

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The GOP is simply doing to Obama what they did to Clinton. Obstruct.

I remember right after the 92 elections...Bob Dole was on the air saying that there would be no honeymoon with Clinton.

The big difference is that Clinton co-oped many of the GOP's ideas (which of course made them hate him more) and ran with them. Of course it took the 93 elections for him to figure that out but he did.

The GOP is not working in good faith with Obama and would contradict him and call him a socialist if he said that the sky was blue and the sun yellow...

Obama hasn't learned from that lesson and still thinks he can work with them. In short he hasn't figured out that they will never work with him and at this date probably never will.

It has been my observation that the GOP and conservatives seem to think they are the only ones with the right to rule and while Democrats play the loyal opposition role the GOP plays to obstruct....deny and undermine.

Clinton understood that and circumvented them and survived.

reply to post by iMacFanatic


This goes both ways. There were 60s years of Democrat based "obstructionism" in Congress after the election of FDR. Also, if you don't agree with a party and you vote against them all of the time that is not being "obstructionist". It's not "bi-partisan" to vote against your beliefs just to be a "nice" dude. It's called being a spine-less weenie. If Democrats in Congress back in 2003 would have had any nuts they would have voted against all of this. Instead they stood up there and "posed" that they were "incensed" at what was going on knowing full well that having that kind of power in the Executive with a Democrat President is too tempting to pass up. That's not giving the Republicans a pass for the last 8 years. Those guys spent tax payer money like Kennedys and it turned from bad to worse.

Also, in regards to your view on Clinton, I would politely disagree that there was this air of Republican obstructionism. Remember the "Welfare Reform Act" of 94 that was passed to save cash that was started with Gingrich, ended with Gore, and signed by Clinton. The reason why I lot of people don't work with Obama is because a lot of the stuff he wants to do is INSANE and insanely stupid.

reply to post by justinsweatt

I agree with much of what you say but disagree with your very first sentence since a lot was done in those 60 years and much of it was done with the GOP. Indeed much of it was started by the GOP.

I have said before this whole absolutely strident opposition to anything the other party does is a relatively new phenomenon dating back to the early 90's.

reply to post by iMacFanatic


If you open any history book concerning our Congressional process you will find that this phenomenon is not just a "sign of the times". Congress having gridlocks is something that has been around forever. Though friends, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson used to get into quite heatedly. I think at one point, it became so heated that there were a few years that passed before either one would speak to each other. Let's not look at the opposition that the Republicans put up against FDR. That was actually VERY heated and it got ugly too.

I know you think you stumbled upon something new but this really isn't a new phenomenon concerning our Congressional process and how they interact with each other.

reply to post by justinsweatt

People keep saying that on here but while they argued fought pissed and cussed at each other like cats and dogs in the long run they sat down and worked things out...

and that is the difference.

Look, I'm not trying to be combative over this issue but the reason that people keep saying that on here is because it's TRUE. I'm telling this kind of gridlock has been around since the dawn of the Republic and there were many, many times that it gridlocked to the point that legislation didn't pass.

reply to post by justinsweatt

I'm not trying to be combative either and I don't think I have come across that way...still I have to disagree. The reason this nation is still together is that the parties have always found a way to work through their differences.

And they need to stop putting party first and get to work.