New FBI Files Alleging AIPAC Theft of Government Property and Israeli Espionage Released

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I always see you posting about Zionism. I finally went and looked it up and read a little bit on it. From what I understand it is the belief that the Jews have a right to the land of Israel because it was given to them by God. I actually read where this movement has Muslim supporters as well!

What I don't understand is, if this is God's will then why all the conflict and fighting and killing? God wouldn't cause so much discord and anything He does is perfect. He surely wouldn't have put humans in such a confounding situation as the one that exists today with regards to the Holy Land.

I guess what I mean to say is whatever is going on in regards to this conflict couldn't be from God. He surely would have seen the anguish and horrors of war before He made this declaration. I cannot understand it. I am not doubting God but I know there is something that we are all missing about this issue.








[edit on 11-3-2010 by jackflap]

Interesting facts and not surprising given the international situation Israel finds itself in.

My great fear is that Iran will succeed in developing nuclear weapons and start the fun. It will be necessary to destroy all of Iran's standing military forces, stockpiles of munitions, bases of operations and all hardened sites with bunker busting fission bombs.

The death toll from the military actions and resultant radiation will be in the tens of millions both there and around her borders. It's inconceivable and unacceptable but unless something is done the threat grows more real with each passing day. My best,

Another point... They were instrumental in the establishment of the oppressive regime of the USSR. Lenin was part Jewish and had ties to the Jews who expressed Zionist leanings.

And very similar laws are being introduced in the western world, and the US/EU is becoming more and more oppressive.

The problem with such world leaders or controllers is that they do not wish to rule over happy people - they wish to rule as oppressors.

I guess what I mean to say is whatever is going on in regards to this conflict couldn't be from God. He surely would have seen the anguish and horrors of war before He made this declaration. I cannot understand it. I am not doubting God but I know there is something that we are all missing about this issue.

Most religions have been established and supported as a way to rule people.

This "God sanctions this war" is just a line to garner support for conflict among the group that has been taught "killing is wrong".

Religious conflicts are possibly more responsible for wars than non-religious conflicts.

It really has nothing to do with God or path to enlightenment.

All through school I was taught that the Allies crushed the Nazis at the end of WWII. Obviously not the case, based on what I'm reading here. Just another reason not to swallow the whole "NWO" garbage. You remind me of the 1970s "Hairy Ear Squad" - a bunch of old geezers huddled around their AM radios bombarding talk shows with tales of Jewish plots and the creation of the Federal Reserve. I was entertained by them because they were kind of pathetic and had zero power. I hope I'm seeing the same event forty years later. Otherwise we may need the JDF again.

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Most religions have been established and supported as a way to rule people. This "God sanctions this war" is just a line to garner support for conflict among the group that has been taught "killing is wrong". Religious conflicts are possibly more responsible for wars than non-religious conflicts. It really has nothing to do with God or path to enlightenment.

I think you may be on to something there. Organized religion is very controlling and with it many wars have been waged. Thanks.

Originally posted by Office 4256
.... I hope I'm seeing the same event forty years later. Otherwise we may need the JDF again.

Really? Why would we need the JDF exactly? We are not a Jewish state.

Originally posted by dariousg
reply to post by Mdv2

 

Israelites in general, as with virtually all nations, are great people.

So now Israelis are the Israelites? OMG!!!

Originally posted by jackflap
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

I always see you posting about Zionism. I finally went and looked it up and read a little bit on it. From what I understand it is the belief that the Jews have a right to the land of Israel because it was given to them by God. I actually read where this movement has Muslim supporters as well!

What I don't understand is, if this is God's will then why all the conflict and fighting and killing? God wouldn't cause so much discord and anything He does is perfect. He surely wouldn't have put humans in such a confounding situation as the one that exists today with regards to the Holy Land.

I guess what I mean to say is whatever is going on in regards to this conflict couldn't be from God. He surely would have seen the anguish and horrors of war before He made this declaration. I cannot understand it. I am not doubting God but I know there is something that we are all missing about this issue.








[edit on 11-3-2010 by jackflap]

No that sure is not what Zionism is about as defined by the Zionist Manifesto as put forth by the Zionist Terrorists waging a violent campaign to oust the British and Arabs from Palestine.

The Zionist Manifesto is about dominating all of the Middle East from the Brooks of Egypt to the Mesopotamian Delta and using a wide range of deceitful and violent means to attain that.

The Zionist Manifesto was published in much the same way Common Sense was published by Thomas Payne as a underground guide to political principles.

The Zionist Manifesto was in fact written by the state of Israel’s founders the very same people who created the initial state clearly wanted and coveted a lot more.

The definition of Zionism being simply about the creation and maintenance of a modern day Israel is as misleading as it is incomplete.

Presented here is a translation of a rare undated manifesto of the right-wing (also called "Revisionist") Zionist "Irgun" underground organization in Pre-State Israel. The manifesto, a 227 page book printed in Hebrew on half-sized typewritten pages, fastened by nails with a cardboard cover and reinforced spine, is called "The Hebrew War of Liberation (Ideological Foundations)". Its significance lies in the fact that it was produced around July-August 1946 at the height of a period of revolt called the "Hebrew Revolt" of 1944-1948 in Mandatory Palestine against British rule, led primarily by the Irgun itself, and this book is an attempt to explain the causes and justification of the revolt.

historma.com

Zionism goes well beyond and far and away from simply the creation of a Jewish State.

Originally posted by Office 4256
All through school I was taught that the Allies crushed the Nazis at the end of WWII. Obviously not the case, based on what I'm reading here. Just another reason not to swallow the whole "NWO" garbage. You remind me of the 1970s "Hairy Ear Squad" - a bunch of old geezers huddled around their AM radios bombarding talk shows with tales of Jewish plots and the creation of the Federal Reserve. I was entertained by them because they were kind of pathetic and had zero power. I hope I'm seeing the same event forty years later. Otherwise we may need the JDF again.

Just curious... Are you saying that it is OK in your opinion for Israel to be spying on the US to the point of monitoring state secrets and directly affecting US foreign policy using insider information?

Originally posted by rogerstigers

Originally posted by Office 4256
All through school I was taught that the Allies crushed the Nazis at the end of WWII. Obviously not the case, based on what I'm reading here. Just another reason not to swallow the whole "NWO" garbage. You remind me of the 1970s "Hairy Ear Squad" - a bunch of old geezers huddled around their AM radios bombarding talk shows with tales of Jewish plots and the creation of the Federal Reserve. I was entertained by them because they were kind of pathetic and had zero power. I hope I'm seeing the same event forty years later. Otherwise we may need the JDF again.

Just curious... Are you saying that it is OK in your opinion for Israel to be spying on the US to the point of monitoring state secrets and directly affecting US foreign policy using insider information?

No what he means is the OP and other people who participated in the thread are Nazis and is equating people here with "a bunch of old geezers huddled around their AM radios bombarding talk shows with tales of Jewish plots and the creation of the Federal Reserve", after that he is presenting cloaked threat with assassination similarly how JDF terrorist Stern gang and other assassinated people. Since he couldn't pull the anti-semitic card on this one so somehow had to belittle in a way. Just thought I'd make it clear.

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Kind of figure, but wasn't sure. Some people on this site try to make a point through insults. In this case, I suspected that there was no point, just insults, but I wanted to verify.

FYI those who are "aware", see who of our elected members (and others) are in bed with AIPAC:
AIPAC Policy conference highlights

In your local community, you may have a "Christian" minister (loosely phrased) like this one in my community, see what he has to say:
Pastor John Hagee

See the AIPAC Lovefest between his "Christian" church, with all the homeless in need in this community, vs. sending millions to Israel (will provide data if anyone cares). He has taken some heat locally for this from Christian ministers, but considering his worldwide impact, not a bit of MSM coverage.

Well It seems the US is treated the same way as the rest of the world by the israelians...wake up call???

More interesting info on our AIPAC friends see the AIPAC alter-ego CUFI. Think maybe a lot of military-industrial people go to the Cornerstone Church, San Antonio, since this is the military town?:
CUFI Christians United for Israel

John Hagee announced on July 16, 2007 in a speech during the CUFI Washington summit that he is a proponent of a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Iran in order to save the State of Israel.[8]

(the video sounds like Hagee says military, not nuclear, to me. There may be other evidence out there as to what he says off-camera.)

Christian indeed? Christ commanded to pre-emptively attack a nation? A minister of the gospel says this???

This way he can self-fulfill his apocalyptic visions of the old testament, increase donations, and remain filthy rich while deluding his followers the we should start WW III and nuke a country.

edit: As far as I can discern Hagee video says military strike, not nuclear. BTW what's the diff in that part of the world?


[edit on 11-3-2010 by 1SawSomeThings]

Originally posted by dariousg
reply to post by Mdv2

 

You are an anit-semite my friend! How dare you!

Semitism/antisemitism are grounds for getting dismissed from ATS. Others, only falsely accused of antisemitism have been banned.
So is it fair for you to throw your semitism/antisemitism around like a weapon. Is it a double-edged sword.
Personally I think people who hate Israel are probably paid stooges. Israel has done a lot of damage to the world lately, but only as a puppet of US-CIA masterminding. Remember the Liberty. The Liberty was attacked by the Israeli jets, but at the instructions of our dear old LBJ. The Israeli people are in the same boat we are in in that their government has gone amuck as since they sold out to the Nazi Rockefellers for UN membership.

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I think you didn't noticed his post was satire.

reply to post by m khan


I believe his comment was more tounge-in-cheek than anything else.

As far as people who hate Israel being shills, I assure you I am not shill, but then I only dislike the Israeli regime, not the Israeli people. As an American, I do indeed understand that what it is like to have a "representative" government that truely does not represent me.

reply to post by 1SawSomeThings

Christian indeed? Christ commanded to pre-emptively attack a nation? A minister of the gospel says this??? This way he can self-fulfill his apocalyptic visions of the old testament, increase donations, and remain filthy rich while deluding his followers the we should start WW III and nuke a country.

Very dangerous indeed. To have someone like him standing before an audience and advocating the use of a nuclear weapon against another country is absolutely backward from what he professes to believe in. Why would he want to tell everyone that this line of thinking is ok?

I really wish I could ask him if he forgot who he is supposed to be representing. I'm pretty sure that he knows the Bible verse that says by prayer and supplication make your requests known to the Lord. What's he gonna do, lead his congregation by praying Oh Lord please let our leaders nuke Iran?

The guy is apparently a tool of the highest degree.

Originally posted by kingkool
These recent events should be of no shock to anyone on ATS and/or in politics.

Doesn’t anyone remember the ADL (Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith)??? Found to hold over 180,000 secret files on Americans.

www.iamthewitness.com...

Politicians have known for years that Israel is up to no good. Check out this book from the 80’s.

www.scribd.com...

This makes the Supreme Court decision to overturn 60 years of compaign finance reform that much more dangerous. If Israel and China or others are able to back candidates the US is doomed.

Two companies, Amdoc Inc. and Comverse Infosys is all you need to know and this link:

whatreallyhappened.com...

I think that many of our politicians and business/media moguls are being blackmailed. People may say so what, I'll just go to the police and/or tell the public about it and the blackmail won't work. It all depends on what the deep dark secret is about. You see what secret would you kill to keep hidden or do anything to keep it from seeing the light of day. There are some people who have skeletons in their closets for a reason. Here's an example, what if media mogul A or politician B are overheard on tape talking about their little game of bringing "young" boys or girls to their houses/mansions. If your in the limelight or a famous politician or media personality, you couldn't or wouldn't want that out because it would essentially destroy your family, your career and your reputation not to mention possible jail time. You would do anything that person or organization wants in order to not be labeled a scum bag and looked at as a deviant predator.

You see some secrets are small, but some are big enough that all the kings horses and all the kings men won't put you back together again.