AP Health Care Poll: Only FOUR PERCENT Of Americans Don't Want Any Reform

reply to post by marg6043

I agree with you marg and I have agreed with you about this in other incarnations as well.

reply to post by iMacFanatic


Yes I believe you on that too.

Ya know when it comes down to it...my overall objection to the bills as they stand is no public option...

Without the public option the bill is little more than a give away to the insurance companies.

Personally the way the insurance companies gouge people I am surprised people would even defend them.

Why is the government being the insurer and you being able to use your private Doctor is such a bad idea?

I mean that is what medicare/medicaid is.

reply to post by iMacFanatic


The reason the government being a insurer is a bad idea, is the exact problem with the Social Security system. The government will use any and all funds for whatever they want.

Can we all say slush fund? Or how about, government corruption? Or how about, destroying private industry?

Let me ask another question. If everyone works for government, who is paying for government?

Socialist systems fail after the weeble wobble theory becomes reality.


My weeble wobble theory. It is based on something as simple as the weeble's wobble but they don't fall down thesis.

We all know the too big to fail problem. Well with the weeble wobble, the government in essence cannot fail, that is the problem. They will do everything in their power to make the system not fail. People snicker at the death panel reference. When money is not there to provide services, what will happen? When a system, company begins to be too top heavy, the result tends to be that the system falls, but with government, they do not fall because they have infinite funds. They can print more fiat money which in turn makes the fiat money more and more worthless. They can also raise taxes until it becomes slavery. They can do anything in regards to restricting service even causing death without recriminations, because you cannot sue the government.

Watch for my future thread expanding my weeble wobble theory. Coming to a higher education system near you.

reply to post by endisnighe


So you think is a good idea in the free nation of the US for tax payers to be forced into mandatory private health care slavery because that is not socialism?.

I think you are forgetting that the US government is a corporation run by corporate America and the highest bidder.

reply to post by marg6043


Oh, don't get me wrong, I rue the day the government forces anything. And I do mean anything.

Every problem we have today can be described as the failure of regulations to do exactly as what the government said they would.

They usually, about 90% of the time have the exact opposite affect, that the government said they would.

Our system is failing, in my view, basically because the common wage has not risen with inflation.

Why is it, that 30-40 years ago, all of these problems did not exist?

To me, it is simple, back then people were able to save. We were able to put aside capital for rainy days or catastrophes. Also, people were able to make payments on debts with hospitals. Now, it is all about insurance.

Yes, I do feel insurance is part of the problem. It is just another layer of management, which causes problems.

Health care savings accounts, I think, is the solution. Private accounts, not in anyway connected with the government. We all know the penchant of the government to use funds for anything they damn well want.

Actually, I thought one solution would be to allow people to put money into a savings/retirement account that was a tax free entitlement account. Where a certain quantity of money could be invested being wholly tax free, on both withdrawal for health purposes or for retirement. Only interest gained on the accounts assets could be taxed ever.

This would solve the problem of people not saving and the problem with liquidity in our banking system.

Of course this idea is completely Austrian in nature and would never fly in our Keynesian controlled government.

Debt is their bread and butter. That is why our money is based on debt.

Everytime we turn around, the government wants more and more control of private entities. Where has this led us? There is no end in sight.

They are like a virus, growing into every aspect of society. The host usually dies when the virus can no longer be contained.

The US has a fever, the sign that it is sick, and feeding the virus has never cured a patient that I know of.

[edit on 3/11/2010 by endisnighe]

Yeah and the majority of Americans still think this bill stinks.

Take the mandate out and put in a government run program that doesn’t force people to join.

Then you’ll have competition without handing everyone to the Insurance companies.

Otherwise I think the democratic strategy on this will backfire.

The insurance companies will probably find as many loop holes for the new regulations as the credit card companies already have.