John Kerry gives Vietnam Vet the finger

Probably not the best PR move, is it?

Link to story

On Memorial Day at the Vietnam Memorial, a Vet of the war approached Kerry and objected to his being at the wall, saying "Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam."

Kerry's response?

He "flipped the bird" to the Vet and apparently called him a felon....
in front of a group of kids.

Yikes.

I would've gave the guy the bird too, I mean assholish actions BEGET assholish actions!

Kerry was referring to an incident 12 years ago when Sampley confronted Sen. John McCain's chief aide, Mark Salter, in a Senate stairwell after McCain repeatedly offended POW families at a Senate POW hearing. Sampley, whose father-in-law at that time was MIA in Laos, followed Salter into the stairwell and, when they emerged, Salter had a bloody lip and a broken nose.

Yep sounds like trash to me.

what a president we will have if he gets elected. i would probably do the same

[Edited on 1-6-2004 by 2009]

They're all puppets of the Illuminati, I think you'd be naive to believe otherwise.

There is no doubt that Sampley is a bull in a china shop when it comes to getting his point across. I equate his methods to those on both sides of the abortion issue - tempers run high/common sense is lost.

The MIA issue is still a sore point with the families since our elected officials wanted to open up Vietnam to US businesses more than they wanted to seek answers to still missing servicemen. While I don't agree with Sampley's delivery, I can understand his frustration.

Kerry, on the other hand, is a seasoned, politician and shouldn't have risen to the bait. This will do more to undermine his credibility with the undecideds in this country. It's evident that both Bush and Kerry should go into hiding until election day. Neither of these two are able to make a public appearance without mucking it up somehow.

Go Kerry Go !!!

I agree Kerry Didn't do anything wrong .. and he gets my admiration for being real when put on the spot. Thats what this country needs more of... not some political image... we need to see real people reacting like real people. I applaud him for it.

oh and BTW Kerry didn't do as much to hurt Veterans as Regan did. My father hated Regan after he shafted the veterans out of benefits that they had been promised. But thats another topic I guess lol

Bush Cuts Veterans' Benefits

Both puppets imo.

I prefer my Presidential candidates to not act like petulant cowboys actually, but I don't see how any Republicans can complain about Kerry doing this.

I'm not defending it, but I understand it. I'd have done worse probably.

And from what I hear Republicans LOVE brazen, opinionated "take no guff" leaders. So...problem?

if only all leaders/potential leaders were brave enough to give the bird to someone they didnt like lol.

imagine bush giving the bird to arafat .

edit: i just realised they were war vets.

i dont agree with mistreatment of war vets (my grandfather is one of them)

[Edited on 6-1-2004 by ausconspiracies]

Senator John McCai, Press Release Issued, 13 February 2004, to The New York Times and Other National News Media

"I strongly caution reporters who may be contacted by or are interested in Mr. Ted Sampley and the various organizations he claims to represent, and his opinions on the subject of Senator Kerry, or any subject for that matter, to investigate thoroughly Mr. Sampley's background and history of spreading outrageous slander and other disreputable behavior before inadvertently lending him or his allegations any credibility.

"I am well familiar with Mr. Sampley, and I know him to be one of the most despicable people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. I consider him a fraud who preys on the hopes of family members of missing servicemen for his own profit. He is dishonorable, an enemy of the truth, and despite his claims, he does not speak for or represent the views of all but a few veterans. The many veterans I know would think it a disgrace to be considered a comrade or supporter of Ted Sampley."

Maybe this finger event didn't really happen, I mean, this is NewsMax after all.

Maybe the information coming to light that the vietnamese are honoring Kerry in one of their war museums is what sets off some veterans.

"May 31, 2004 -- **BREAKING** Dr. Jerry Corsi and Jeff Epstein of Vietnam Vets for the Truth report that John Kerry's photograph is featured in the War Protestors Hall of the War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City -- a clear indication of the value the Vietnamese communists place on Kerry's support of their efforts during the Vietnam War. The photograph was received in response to a general request last week for information documenting Kerry�s activities on behalf of the enemy"

Wintersoldier

Yeah I know its a blog type site - but you'll never see this in the regular media in a million years, not because of its veracity but because its inflammatory against their beloved candidate.

I missed draft by a few years and cannot speak for vets, I can imagine that some would be PO'd at Kerry though.

Kerry:

Uhhm....I actually didn't flip him the bird, before I flipped him the bird.

At least Kerry does the bird in public, Bush have been doing it behind doors all his life.

Pleaseeeee don't take it to the mud pit.!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited on 1-6-2004 by marg6043]

Originally posted by Phoenix
Yeah I know its a blog type site - but you'll never see this in the regular media in a million years, not because of its veracity but because its inflammatory against their beloved candidate.

I missed draft by a few years and cannot speak for vets, I can imagine that some would be PO'd at Kerry though.

No, you'll never see it because it's, like most of your posts, a far right fantasy held by zealots.
If you missed the draft, because of age, what kept you from enlisting of your own fruition?

All this propaganda is showing how nasty and dirty this elections are going to be, and guess what I am going to love it.

Quoting BT,
No, you'll never see it because it's, like most of your posts, a far right fantasy held by zealots.
If you missed the draft, because of age, what kept you from enlisting of your own fruition?

Ahhh, BT you are becoming so predictable with your linkless blather when you don't have evidence to refute someone else's post

Its a known fact that the Vietmanese have praised Kerrys anti-war protesting, Kerrys own statements and testimony backs that up - I think the preponderance of evidence supports the information provided by wintersoldier. Vietnam vets not liking Kerry for his past actions hardly constitutes a far right fantasy held by zealots as you would call it.

As far as military service is concerned I was busy working four months every year in order to pay exorbitant taxes in an effort to support the welfare recipients like a good conservative is want to do. So far I have served about 9.33 total years in that capacity.



Actual photo of picture in Vietnamese museum
WorldNetDaily



[Edited on 1-6-2004 by Phoenix]

TextAs far as military service is concerned I was busy working four months every year in order to pay exorbitant taxes in an effort to support the welfare recipients like a good conservative

Whoa what an excuse, I think I like bush military service best, in texas. Did you ever spend time with him in his bachelor's village for the rich and spoiled.

So what, at least that inncident was provoked.
Don't you remeber 4 years ago when soon to be President Bush was at some press conferance/public event and he said to his running mate something along the lines: See that reporter there, he's a real a** h***. Dick said: yea, you're right.
All this picked up by the live mics they were wearing.

Originally posted by Phoenix
Ahhh, BT you are becoming so predictable with your linkless blather when you don't have evidence to refute someone else's post
I was busy working four months every year in order to pay exorbitant taxes in an effort to support the welfare recipients like a good conservative is want to do.

Linkless Blather? Moi? Where exactly would I have provided a link to my opinion from?

"Proud Neo-Conservative" - you've missed the point - the source is one that's proven to be "out there", so the credability snide remark to your "liberal media" histrionics was warranted.

No one refutes their acknowledgement & thanks for his war protests, including Kerry ; so what's your point? Are you of the opinion that we should have been in VietNam?

I'm glad to see you've chosen the Dick Cheney school of canned responses answer: "You had better things to do".

I think the most fitting thing to do would be to find out if this actually happened.

I believe the term for this is hearsay, right?