Over 300 arrests, dozens of guns seized in undercover operation near schools

reply to post by MikeNice81


Ok but you still can't deny the fact that many innocent lives are lost due to the use of firearms... there was a story not so long ago about a young boy who died when a stray bullet came through the roof of a church and hit the boy killing him soon after... that's just one example... you know there are thousands more....

You also can't deny that if guns were outlawed there wouldn't be as much deaths as there are now...

How can you condone the carrying of firearms?

Even the Police have shot innocents before who only had like a bottle or stick in their hand...

As for protecting your family and home... i guess there will always be someone out there who wants what you have... an electricution fence would be good to keep them out.... one that you switch on at night or even leave on all day if no-one is at home... a couple of Doberman dogs roaming in the garden should also do a good job!!

[edit on 11-3-2010 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


Regarding dogs and tasers, many states, even those which permit the carrying of firearms, still do not allow people to carry tasers and some even do not allow people to own them at all.

Many states and cities also either have laws on the books or are working to implement laws that ban or heavily regulate dog ownership.

Want a taser and a shepherd for the house? Too bad depending on where you live.

There have already been several "dog confiscations" in the US. They go door to door and take your dog to be put down. I recall stories out of Colorado where families were pleaing and begging for somebody to take their dog out of town so the state wouldnt come by and kill it. Dog holocaust.

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


Crime is outlawed and we all see how well that is working out. If you can't stop criminals from commiting crimes, how will outlawing guns stop criminals from having them. Second, the government is a primary threat at this point, which is why the 2nd Amendment exists in the first place. Third, I own significant firepower, so what, I am no threat to anyone unless they are a threat to me...and yes, I will use lethal force if necessary to defend myself and my family from others possessing lethal force capabilities, who intend on violating my rights, and that includes TPTB.

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by rainfall

 

What about the drugs and crime? Don't you think that this is a problem that should be addressed. The problem is one of crime. Criminals also like to own guns. It doesn't seem bad to round up the local criminals..

[edit on 9-3-2010 by Tiger5]

But there are thousands of gun owners living near schools everyday all around the country, without shooting of any kind. Very very rare. Just cant go kicking down doors.

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by MikeNice81

 

Ok but you still can't deny the fact that many innocent lives are lost due to the use of firearms... there was a story not so long ago about a young boy who died when a stray bullet came through the roof of a church and hit the boy killing him soon after... that's just one example... you know there are thousands more....

[edit on 11-3-2010 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

Innocent people getting killed by stray bullets 999 in 1000 are some gang bangers shooting up the place. You clean up the gang mess in this country and then come talk to the rest of us about it.

Originally posted by JBA2848
Heres another one of those arressted. He doesn't sound like a law abiding citizen either.

10107482 01 DEMEKO GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description POSS COCAINE W/I MANUF/SELL/DEL

07117126 01 DEMEKO M GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description EVADING ARREST

98629298 01 DEMEKO M GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description UNLAWFUL POSS WEAPON-PUBLIC PLACE

98048891 01 DEMEKO M GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description POSS CONT SUB W/I TO MANUF/DEL/SELL

98027387 01 DEMEKO M GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description UNLAWFUL POSS WEAPON-PUBLIC PLACE

This is not a case against guns for the rest of us. What are you trying to say here? The truth is Mr Green would have guns anyway.

Just more of black Americas crime problem. It's crazy to normal people but it seems to be the norm to the city people

In every single country or state that has disarmed their citizens, the criminals still have weapons and the citizens are victims. The Law enforcement don't have the ability to protect or arrive at a situation fast enough to quell the problems. Robberies, Home Invasions and street crime with other weapons flourishes!
In every state that has enacted CCW laws the crime rates keep going down. The opposite is the effect with disarmament. Lawful citizens are not the problem but criminals are opportunists and seldom attack someone who looks or might have the ability to retaliate. They are the cowards of the streets, not the citizens!
Zindo

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by rainfall

 

What about the drugs and crime? Don't you think that this is a problem that should be addressed. The problem is one of crime. Criminals also like to own guns. It doesn't seem bad to round up the local criminals..

[edit on 9-3-2010 by Tiger5]

But there are thousands of gun owners living near schools everyday all around the country, without shooting of any kind. Very very rare. Just cant go kicking down doors.

How about kicking down doors after investigations, undercover work and warrants? This wasn't stormtroopers deploying from an APC and taking over a random neighborhood, this was the result of a long investigation. The police did their job in this case, don't try to describe this as a random gun grab.

Here is the rub; In MOST cases, the cops pulled people over and ILLEGALLY searched them. " Found in a backpack...a half mile from a school.." thats a screwing of rights if I ever heard one.

the cops are just moving fresh meat to the prison system, while OTHER gangbangers will take the place of those arrested...and Prohibition marches on!!

Originally posted by suicydking

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by rainfall

 

What about the drugs and crime? Don't you think that this is a problem that should be addressed. The problem is one of crime. Criminals also like to own guns. It doesn't seem bad to round up the local criminals..

[edit on 9-3-2010 by Tiger5]

But there are thousands of gun owners living near schools everyday all around the country, without shooting of any kind. Very very rare. Just cant go kicking down doors.

How about kicking down doors after investigations, undercover work and warrants? This wasn't stormtroopers deploying from an APC and taking over a random neighborhood, this was the result of a long investigation. The police did their job in this case, don't try to describe this as a random gun grab.

Yea well that fine then.

Originally posted by richierich
Here is the rub; In MOST cases, the cops pulled people over and ILLEGALLY searched them. " Found in a backpack...a half mile from a school.." thats a screwing of rights if I ever heard one.

the cops are just moving fresh meat to the prison system, while OTHER gangbangers will take the place of those arrested...and Prohibition marches on!!

You're referring to the traffic stops? Either they gave the cops permission to search the vehicle, the cops had probable cause, or the vehicle was searched illegally. If the vehicle was searched without probable cause or permission, then that may be used in court as a valid defense.

edit: clarity

[edit on 12-3-2010 by suicydking]

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I always wondered, is refusing permission to the cops to search your vehicle enough for 'probable cause?' After all, why wouldnt you allow them to search unless you were hiding something?

Probable cause is way to vague and since all you need is a judge to say "sure, go ahead" the entire warrant system is open to subjective discretion and corruption.

Originally posted by JBA2848
Heres another one of those arressted. He doesn't sound like a law abiding citizen either.

10107482 01 DEMEKO GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description POSS COCAINE W/I MANUF/SELL/DEL
*nonviolent*

07117126 01 DEMEKO M GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description EVADING ARREST
*nonviolent*

98629298 01 DEMEKO M GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description UNLAWFUL POSS WEAPON-PUBLIC PLACE
*nonviolent*

98048891 01 DEMEKO M GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description POSS CONT SUB W/I TO MANUF/DEL/SELL
*nonviolent*

98027387 01 DEMEKO M GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description UNLAWFUL POSS WEAPON-PUBLIC PLACE
*nonviolent*

97021674 01 DEMEKO M GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description INTENTIONALLY EVADE ARREST IN AUTO
*nonviolent*

97003704 01 DEMEKO M GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description MANUF/DEL/SELL CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
*nonviolent*

96405488 01 DEMEKO M GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description MANUF/DEL/SELL CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
*nonviolent*

95102018 01 DEMEKO GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description PET TO SUSPEND REM OF SENTENCE
*nonviolent*

95060023 01 DEMEKO GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description PET TO SUSPEND REM OF SENTENCE
*nonviolent*

95052037 01 DEMEKO GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description PET TO SUSPEND REM OF SENTENCE
*nonviolent*

94192042 01 DEMEKO M GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description
*nonviolent*

94162100 01 DEMEKO GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description POSS CONT SUB W/I TO MANUF/DEL/SELL
*nonviolent*

93286111 01 DEMEKO M GREEN
09/17/1975 B M
RNI # 204132 Offense Description

This person should have 50 thousand firearms and we're all perfectly safe around him. I have no reason to think this person ever has or will become violent. Do you have a reason? And if you don't have a reason, you have no basis whatsoever to become a gun-grabber. Correct?

Did the cops actually kick in the doors of residence? imean wow 300 guns! thats alot of city blocks on average!
guns arnt the porblem. as another membe said, thier in animate objects, guns are harmless unless a human is intending on pulling its trigger. the trigger dosnt go off itslef. baseball bats lead pipes and chans are commonly used, but never get confiscated...does that mean thier a threat to our daily lives? no, not unless someone with intent is physcially holding it and ready to shoot or swing it on something or someone.
Its all polical. guns are what theyde like to take away form us, but yet, baseball bats, chains and lead pipes are oky to beat eachother with.

You would think cops did not like gun around schools.

I knew a guy that trained his dog to find hidden guns.

He would walk his dog around schools in the LA Calif area and collect guns that were hidden by gang members so that they could pass through the school metal detectors

The cops found out and got a court order banning him from using his dog to hunt down these guns that were hidden by gang members during school hours.

He did not even know the cops had found out his dog trick till they knocked on his door and served him with the court order.

He was finding the guns and stripping them for the parts to sell at gun shows.

Oh and if you think him finding and stripping the guns for parts keeps someone from getting a gun back that had been stolen think again the cops in this town NEVER return recovered gun to there owners. All recovered guns are destroyed by the cops in this town.
This is a common practices by police departments in Calif.9

Originally posted by ziggy1706
Did the cops actually kick in the doors of residence? imean wow 300 guns! thats alot of city blocks on average!
guns arnt the porblem. as another membe said, thier in animate objects, guns are harmless unless a human is intending on pulling its trigger. the trigger dosnt go off itslef. baseball bats lead pipes and chans are commonly used, but never get confiscated...does that mean thier a threat to our daily lives? no, not unless someone with intent is physcially holding it and ready to shoot or swing it on something or someone.
Its all polical. guns are what theyde like to take away form us, but yet, baseball bats, chains and lead pipes are oky to beat eachother with.

Here's thing about that. Guns can kill people that they aren't being aimed at. People tend to get upset when bullets are flying around their neighborhood. That's one distinctions.

The other thing to remember here is that if someone purchased a firearm illegally, files off the serial number, and then goes into business peddling narcotics, they aren't likely to be keeping the gun around for shooting soda cans at their dad's trailer.

I grew up in a suburban area and one thing that I had noticed growing up was that outside of every housing project there is a school. Literally every single one.

Now as many know many charges carry more severe consequences if within 100ft of a school zone at the time of the crime/arrest. It is no secret that housing projects breed violence and unlawful activity, so my theory is that the schools are strategically placed to stiffen the penalties of those breaking the law. However if that is the case than the children are knowingly being put at risk while they unknowingly are being used as pawns.

According to the CDC the number of accidental deaths caused by firearms is 642. That averages out to 1.75 deaths per day.

According to the CDC more people die from bicycle accidents every year. They said the rate was 926 deaths in 2006. That works out to about 2.54 deaths per day.

According to the cdc there were 6,162 accidental pedestrian deaths in 2006. That works out to about 16.89 deaths per day.

Riding as an occupant in a car resulted in 18,277 deaths. That means 50 people per day die as passengers in a motor vehicle. You are more likely to die because your friend's car was hit by another car than you are to be accidentally shot.

According to the CDC there were 27,531accidental posionings in 2006. That works out to 75.43 deaths per day. That means you are more than forty times as likely to die from poisoning that an errant gun shot.


You are more likely to get run over on your bicycle, or run over while walking down the street, than accidentally shot. The odds of getting killed by an errant bullet are lower than the odds you will be poisoned, killed as a passenger in a motor vehicle, or die because of an accidental house fire.

Do I deny many people get killed accidentally by firearms? I most certainly do deny that idea. As a whole number or comparitavely it is a very small number.

[edit on 18-3-2010 by MikeNice81]

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by rainfall

 

What about the drugs and crime? Don't you think thatthis is a problem that should be addressed. The problem is one of crime. Criminals also like to own guns. It doesn't seem bad to round up the local criminals..



[edit on 9-3-2010 by Tiger5]

Crime is a part of society. It always has been and always will be.

Taking away a citizen's right (criminal or not) is not the the solution. In fact, studies show that when citizens in a community are armed less, crime goes up.

You can't tackle a problem like this. They either need to address the core issues of poverty or find a new job.. because violating basic rights is going to cause even more problems.