US general pledges to secure symbolic Kandahar

reply to post by MikeboydUS


You don't know any history do you?

The CIA created Al Qaeda and strengthened the Taliban by arming them against the Soviet Union, and then attacked them to take over Afghanistan.

The CIA backed Saddam Hussein to attack Iran and massacre hundreds of thousands, and then attacked and took over Iraq.

The CIA doesn't follow anyone's orders not even U.S.

They are their own establishment that is ABOVE the law. (CIA was created by the Skull and Bones fraternity at Yale University)

They are an INTERNATIONAL Cabal that will usher in the New World Order.

Why do you think Obama is turning the U.S. into a Socialist country?

Just wait until the health care bill is passed, and then you'll get to see what type of people are in office.

reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm


We supported the Mujahideen lead by Massoud in the north. If you don't know who he is, you clearly have no idea whats going on.

The Pakistanis and the Saudis funded Al Qaida and later the Taliban.

Saddam is an entirely different issue and the CIA isn't the end all, be all of the black ops world.

The Health care bill is off topic, but its not going to lead to socialism. Its going to cause everyone to buy health insurance. Why do you think people like Congressman Kucinich is against it? He wants a public option for universal healthcare. Thats not happening, instead the insurance companies are going to make tons of money.

Lastly, World Order isn't socialist. Debt bondage and fiat digital currencies don't operate well in a socialist environment.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


All you need to do is watch this video and get a bit of an understanding on what's going on:

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
reply to post by MikeboydUS

 

You don't know any history do you?

Jesus kid...i think you just broke MIKEYBOYDUS heart.

I think someone, anybody, please, should explain to the man whats been happening with the US and the CIA since th begining of the seventies, epescially with regards to the middle east and Afghanistan.

But when you do it just do it slowly and ask him if hes sitting down first.

Better yet, ban him...it would save his innocent soul.

I cannot believe that there is still a person left in the US that doesnt know that Al Qaeda was paid for and trained by the 'company'.
Al Qaeda is 'a pure, homegrown good 'ole American company in business since 1973'.

Does anyone know if they sell shares??

double post..sorry


[edit on 9-3-2010 by andy1972]

The Generals of wars know that the conflicts will Ebb & Flow...the presentsituation in the Kandahar is a moment, a regional snapshot, of the warscapes ebb & flow...



the advisors & the strategists which briefed GW Bush, that the 'war' would be a long and enduring battlescape...
understood & knew, that the Theaters-of-Opertions would be in different areas of the world at various times...


in that, the current Denial of Kandahar to the Taliban and al-Quaida,
while a great propaganda statement to the American & NATO publics, is nothing more than a flash-in-the-pan as far as the larger and protracted WW3 campaign is concerned.



where will the focus of conflict migrate to?

there's Somalia & Etheopia with all the shipping lane piracy, etc.
there's western Africa & the energy producing coastal nations
there's a return to Oceania, Philippines, Malaysia,and the South China Sea
there's the Indian-Pakistan Kush... etc etc etc


Iraq, Afghanistan were only progressive stepping stones, staging areas to confront imperialism and the 'great satan' America, (the West) aka 'magog'



it was foretold that the great war would last for 27 years...
We're finishing the first 1/3rd of the long war in (9-11) 2010,
there's only two more nine year periods to go.
(2028 is the anticipated armistace or the capitulation of either the Western or Eastern sphere to the victorious ideology )

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Well Somalia is in the sights of our seeming agenda.

It may prove to be more difficult.

So long as our troops can believe in the mission we will win.

The danger comes in moral and so we need to support the grunts as they are chewing the bit.

Of course I know very little only a armchair observer. lol

wow... They must have lots of oil if they want to secure it so badly.

Ah, so we are winning the war on terror? Yay! I always thought that word could be so pretentious anyhow. That should teach it to have double consonants!!!!!

I'd like to know what good winning a war on anything will do if you lose all your assets (monetary and otherwise), not to mention the loyalty of a growing number of your own people (the ones that in fact pay your checks with the sweat of their brow)?

reply to post by whiteraven


With Iraq almost wrapped up and Afghanistan soon to follow, I am pretty sure Somalia's pirates and brigands will be next.

We already have 2300 troops at Camp Lemonier, Djibouti. There has also been discussion of moving AFRICOM to Ethiopia.

These are recent developments in the region.

Ethiopian air force members observe airdrop procedures
www.defenceweb.co.za...

U.S. aiding Somalia for major offensive to retake its capital (Mar 6)
news.oneindia.in...

US military seeking EU cooperation in Africa
www.europolitics.info...








[edit on 9/3/10 by MikeboydUS]

Originally posted by MikeboydUS

The end is nigh.

Not the end of the world, but the end of OEF-A: Operation Enduring Freedom-Afghanistan.

The Taliban have been routed in Marjah by NATO while Pakistani forces continue their northward offensive against the Taliban. All that really stands now is the securing of Kandahar. By the end of the year over 100,000 US troops will be on the ground in Afghanistan. The Taliban and Al Qaeda are collapsing.

Along with the end of Operation Iraqi Freedom in September, this heralds the start of a new chapter in the Global War on Terror.

Once Kandahar is pacified, major operations will be able to transition to the Horn of Africa and the Trans Sahara. In other words the war is entering endgame and our long struggle since 11 September 2001 will soon be complete.

news.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 8/3/10 by MikeboydUS]

Once Kandahar is pacified

lol that's funny.. russian generals used to break their arms patting themselves on the back too... the afghans have never once in a long rich history been pacified. Ever. The idea the US will succeed against the taliban-cong is historically laughable.

The iraqi resistance is also alive and well, almost daily they post videos.. some can be seen here: www.terroristmedia.com...

US media likes to say the recent bombings that kill "innocent iraqis" are all senseless violence by crazy people, if you look into it you'll find iraqis loyal to the US are targeted as the traitors they are.. and sometimes blown up.

Siding with the violent oppressive empire occupier can be hazardous to an iraqis health... imagine if your neighbor joe blow turned you and your friends in as 'terrorists' to, lets say, chinese troops occupying US soil.. I'm pretty sure joe, and anyone who supports him, would be dealt with. Welcome to iraq.

On the topic of winning iraq, the US has already "lost".. respect, trillions of dollars, freedoms at home (patriot act et al) and resources.. all to remove 1 guy who the oligarchs lied about.

34,416 dead and wounded from "hostile" causes: fail.
36,674+ dead and medically evacuated (Jan 31, 2009) from "non-hostile" causes... for a total of 71,090 US casualties: epic fail.

The total is well over 100,000 "casualties": uber epic fail. The govt has decided not to include 30,000+ casualties whose injuries were diagnosed only after leaving iraq... apparently the govt wants us to believe these troops were totally fine when they left... they went bonkers only after leaving.

If you follow the link and dig through pentagon data, the real numbers are out there. www.afterdowningstreet.org...

The war on terror is the new "red menace", the DC mafia always use an omnipresent "evil do'er" foe as a tool of control & fear.. it's a make believe struggle against mostly innocent people who oppose being occupied by strangers, and subjected to an empire puppet govt... just like US citizens would.

reply to post by GovtFlu


I can see you don't like the US, but your also siding against Afghan and Iraqi people.

You think the Iraqis like foreign pseudo Islamic cults? You think the Afghanis liked the Taliban, who were invaders?

The Taliban invaded Afghanistan, destroyed the legitimate government and tried to crush the Mujahideen. The Taliban failed. Massoud's followers have brought the fallen Afghan government from the ashes and are driving the Taliban dogs back into Pakistan.

Where are they getting their KIA numbers from? It isn't their sources.

Regardless, we lost over 400,000 military personnel in World War 2. That is over 400,000 dead, not wounded. 400,000 dead in four years.

The Global War on Terror has been going on now for almost 9 years and KIAs are somewhat over 5000. Compared to almost all of our other wars, this has been one of the least lethal.

You are right about one thing, the Afghans will win and drive the oppressors out. Inshallah, Massoud will have a monument built to remind the world of who the real heroes of Afghanistan are and who drove the Soviet invaders out. As he drove the Soviets out, so too will those who inherited his legacy drive the Taliban out.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Yes.

And I distinctly remember Bush in his first speech calling for a war on terror saying that it would be a long and difficult struggle taking years to bring to a successful conclusion. He also cautioned against the urge to bail out of the war on terror before it was successfully concluded.

And so - despite the many naysayers here on ATS and such as obama saying "the iraq surge has failed" - it may turn out that Bush was simply correct in his original assessment.

Imagine that!

Is the War Over?

Independent reporter Michael Yon has spent more time in Iraq embedded with combat soldiers than any other journalist in the world, and a few days ago he boldly declared the war over:

Barring any major and unexpected developments (like an Israeli air strike on Iran and the retaliations that would follow), a fair-minded person could say with reasonable certainty that the war has ended. A new and better nation is growing legs. What's left is messy politics that likely will be punctuated by low-level violence and the occasional spectacular attack. Yet, the will of the Iraqi people has changed, and the Iraqi military has dramatically improved, so those spectacular attacks are diminishing along with the regular violence. Now it's time to rebuild the country, and create a pluralistic, stable and peaceful Iraq. That will be long, hard work. But by my estimation, the Iraq War is over. We won. Which means the Iraqi people won.

I’m reluctant to say “the war has ended,” as he did, but everything else he wrote is undoubtedly true. The war in Iraq is all but over right now, and it will be officially over if the current trends in violence continue their downward slide. That is a mathematical fact.

If you doubt it, look at the data.

Security incidents, or attacks, are at their lowest level in four years. Civilian deaths are down by almost 90 percent since General Petraeus’ counterinsurgency “surge” strategy went into effect. High profile attacks, or explosions, are down by 80 percent in the same time period. American and Iraqi soldiers suffer far fewer casualties than they have for years. Ethno-sectarian deaths from Iraq’s civil war plunged all the way down to zero in May and June 2008.

Yon is braver than the rest of us for declaring the war over, but it’s important to understand that there are no final battles in counterinsurgencies and it’s impossible to pinpoint the exact dates when wars like this end. The anti-Iraqi insurgency – a war-within-a-war – really is effectively over.

CCTV-China.com

Obama later said the government is increasing US troops in Afghanistan, while training Afghan Security Forces so they can begin to take the lead in July of 2011, and then US troops can begin to return home. He also stated clearly that America's war in Iraq is over.

"As we take the fight to al Qaeda, we are responsibly leaving Iraq to its people. As a candidate, I promised that I would end this war, and that is what I am doing as President. We will have all of our combat troops out of Iraq by the end of this August. We will support the Iraqi government as they hold elections, and continue to partner with the Iraqi people to promote regional peace and prosperity. But make no mistake: this war is ending, and all of our troops are coming home."

New Name for Iraq Mission Meets With Criticism from Left

Gates wrote in a memo exclusively obtained by ABC News that by changing the name at the same time as the change of mission -- the scheduled withdrawal of U.S. combat troops -- the US is sending "a strong signal" that "our forces are operating under a new mission."

They are operating under a new mission because the war is over.
The Combat divisions are coming home. There hasn't been any real fighting in Iraq in almost two years. My son came back in March of last year he said the same thing. There have been many many sectarian bombings and killings in other words Iraqi Sunni and Iraqi Shia killing each other but for the US the war is done.

The reason for the name change is because the Combat troops are leaving because there is not much in the way of combat going on. US troops have been held up on bases for a while now they don't patrol it's pretty much over for the US. There is a new Government and the Iraqis are focused on each other and their Government.


Sectarian Violence

Gunmen in Iraq have shot dead a family of eight and beheaded some of the bodies, officials say, amid a wave of pre-election violence.

The gunmen killed the family, who were reportedly Shia Muslims living in a majority Sunni area just outside the capital, Baghdad, early on Monday.

As far as the Afghan Surge it wont come to full strength until this summer. And another year or two like in Iraq before we see the results.


Official: 30,000 Troops for Afghan Surge

President Barack Obama plans to send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan over six months, a senior administration official said Tuesday, on an accelerated timetable that would dispatch several hundred Marines by Christmas.

With the full complement of troops expected by next summer [2010]

Emphasis of date mine.

Also there have been a few changes regarding conducting offensives MO.

U.S. Bets Best Ally in Surge Is Old One

A few hours after dusk last Friday, U.S. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top allied commander in Afghanistan, stepped into an armored car for the short drive from his headquarters to the presidential palace in Kabul. The time had come to decide whether to assault the Taliban town of Marjah. It was up to President Hamid Karzai to make the call.

For both the Americans and the Afghans, who have been fighting together for more than eight years, it was a novel moment. As Mr. Karzai said after being roused from a nap: "No one has ever asked me to decide before."

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reply to post by SLAYER69


Funny how they illegally invade a country, kill innocents, make millions go live as refugees, then they simply want to withdraw when the puppet government is installed.

Sad and Pathetic.

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Funny how they illegally invade a country, kill innocents, make millions go live as refugees, then they simply want to withdraw when the puppet government is installed.

Sad and Pathetic.

You mean all those OIL contracts that the Iraqi Government has signed with Russia, China and the EU?

What did you expect?

Make Iraq the 51st state?

Fat chance.

reply to post by SLAYER69


You never put the blame on the ones responsible.

You always say it's Chinese this, Russians that, Al Qaeda this, Taliban that, when in reality the United States government murdered countless souls to make a quick buck.

The sad part is that they have not finished, and are now robbing the middle class of any money they have left to usher in the New World Order, and you still blame the other countries.

Learn to accept responsibility slayer.

Your Government ordered the deaths of many, and the soldiers blindly followed.

reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm


Where have I denied any of that?

You really need to get out more. Go for a walk. Get some fresh air and chill out. You'll end up blowing a blood vessel. I mentioned the OIL deals with Russia, China and the EU demonstrating that the IRAQI Government has been taking care of their own business and will need to care for their own people from here on out.

That's what I mean by not being the 51st state. Of Course the US invasion killed people. Lots of people. Only a moron would deny that. but NOT MILLIONS killed like you always like to claim. A number that has been proven to be bogus time and time again.

Get over it.




[edit on 9-3-2010 by SLAYER69]

reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm

You always say it's Chinese this, Russians that, Al Qaeda this, Taliban that, when in reality the United States government murdered countless souls to make a quick buck.

Kinda funny considering that all you keep saying is the US did this, the US did that over and over again.

If it was for a quick buck, then please tell me why we are in debt.

reply to post by jam321


Jam

Emerald is afraid of peace breaking out in Iraq. He'll lose half his desire to live. Don't worry Emerald you will still have all the old Youtube videos about the evil Americans in Iraq to watch over and over again not to mention Afghanistan you can still point your finger at the US about.

He probably thinks Baghdad still looks like this.

2003

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2009

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reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm


Which is why the new governments in Iraq and Afghanistan are going to be muslim right? Because we are trying to kill the "mooslems!" we are going to allow them to set up a government that will most likely be composed of practitioners of islam.

I'm sorry but if we were seriously trying to eradicate islam we would have started off with dearborn michigan. And if it was for islam AND oil we would have gone off to Saudi Arabia first.



EDIT:

For the record i am AGAINST both the iraq and afghanistan wars. But dear god i come from a military family and as such have learned there is FAR FAR more to War than most people see. So far Slayer,Jam and jackflap have been hitting the nails on the head.

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