There is a Group of People Censoring the Internet and Alerting the US Gov, I have PROOF!

reply to post by Maxmars


I think that was really well said. This is an interesting thread that makes me contemplate us versus them. If you perceive that you are a part of a group that is under attack, how far in your methods are you willing to go to defend. And when does your defense become an attack, just against a different target. I don't have the answer to that. But it is one that I think everyone should ask. By my estimations, all of us at some level can identify with a group that is under attack (race, religion, politics, gun ownership, women, gays, you name it). When do the means not justify the ends. That is how I read the intent of the OP.

Originally posted by afterschoolfun
You know, just for fun I decided to look at the video...

I'm guessing you're YouTube user WizzleThump?

Please everyone search JDIF in google. It's the jewish internet defence leauge, and they get poor jewish kids to post stuff like that and against Arabs across the internet! It couldn't be GOD's people right? filthy swine

Posted just about the same time you made this thread. And you (I assume) proceed to make fun and call them "filthy swine."

I don't know what to make of it, but from your posts you seem adamant on hating the Jewish people the same way they supposedly do it to you.

And no. I'm not a agent. I just find it ironic that you try to stop hate with more hate.

This is an example of "SHOOTING THE MESSENGER." Can you address what he is saying? It doesn't really matter if someone has an agenda or not if they are telling the truth does it?

I grew up in a Jewish Neighborhood, and MOST of my friends were jewish and I still have many Jewish friends -- and MOST of them, are sick of the Likud party death hold on Israel in the same way that Progressives in the US hated George Bush.

I remember when saying "George Bush is a war profiteering traitor" would get you accused of being "un-American."


>> I've known about many of these propaganda groups -- of COURSE, Israel has a lot of people blogging to defend their public opinion. There are lot's of country's and groups doing this with various levels of success -- none so extensive and effectively as Israel, but many just the same.

Corporations and the CIA. Used to track a lot of IP addresses back to an Air Force server in the early days after Bush stole the Presidency, LET or arranged for 9/11, and started converting all those elite warriors to Evangelicals.

There is even a JOB TITLE now called "SEO" which is all about getting on blogs to manipulate public opinion, and make sure you get your good stories about your company and web pages ranked higher on Google.



So, astro-turf blogging is taking place -- and its pretty insulting to anyone who ACTUALLY CARES about the Jewish people, to think that being against Propaganda and foreign influence in our country is automatically Anti-Semintism. Getting Rid of BushCo, the Mossad and the CIA would be the best thing to happen to Liberty in both nations. Legalizing drugs, allowing Perverts in Government amnesty, and releasing the data the NSA collected for the Bush administration would also, help release a huge stranglehold of extortion as well.

Originally posted by Sibilance
reply to post by Maxmars

 

I think that was really well said. This is an interesting thread that makes me contemplate us versus them. If you perceive that you are a part of a group that is under attack, how far in your methods are you willing to go to defend. And when does your defense become an attack, just against a different target. I don't have the answer to that. But it is one that I think everyone should ask. By my estimations, all of us at some level can identify with a group that is under attack (race, religion, politics, gun ownership, women, gays, you name it). When do the means not justify the ends. That is how I read the intent of the OP.

>> This is the problem -- Universally. Every group that starts out defending itself by stooping lower than their enemy, BECOMES the oppressor eventually.

The NeoCons in America always believe they are under attack, and they've supported the Bush Crime Family -- and have ended up undermining the US position in the world. If their goal was destroying America-- then they were effective. It's hard to believe that they might have wanted America to be pre-eminnent in the world.

The subversion and false flags against Palestine, is really just a game for profit now. The "paranoia" and "us first" mentality, turns border crossings into places where you make great money with scarcity of goods. The "insiders" who smuggle in goods and services corrupt people on both sides of the fence. Palestine will always be a security threat to Israel, because corporations want cheap labor, and people in power always enjoy the status quo. People trying to get ahead by becoming doctors end up being in the cross hairs of the lowest common denominator on both sides.

We learn that Hamas and Hezbollah are the worst things ever -- even when some get elected in Lebanon through a Democratic process. Even when Jews live just fine in Iran and have no interest in moving to Israel. This silences voices that would otherwise moderate.

>> In the same "game" Super-American patriots demonize Iran -- which is a country bursting with Young people who are sick of religious rule -- but cannot come out and say it. Not while US troops stomp along the border, and scare the people into voting in an anti-American extremist.

>> Afghanistan was not always a haven for Extremism -- BEFORE Russia chose to invade, woman could become educated and it was on it's way towards the 20th century.

Now the US has stepped in, because we need a pipeline and a good source of Opium. And guess what? They are more radicalize than ever. WE don't have any reason to be there but now we have to "win the war" -- or Afghanistan will do what? Be worse than it has become with our help? If we left the country right now, there would be chaos -- about as much as there will inevitably be when they finally kick us out. This plan to "subdue the Taliban" will be about as successful as trying to get rid of Protestants in Ireland. If we left, they would lose any cohesion and go back to squabbling along tribal lines.

The sooner we leave, and quit threatening them -- the sooner they will stabilize and eventual get less radical. The BEST support of extremism, is the presence of a powerful and threatening outsider -- Just look at what George Bush did to America -- he couldn't speak 40 words without mentioning some threat -- and then he got to destroy our Constitution. "WE can't have a fair or open trial with these terrorists." That used to be said of Communists.

[edit on 8-3-2010 by VitriolAndAngst]

For someone has followed Megaphone or is regulary watching the reactions to human rights violations commited by the real IDF, it is obvious that an organized pro-Israel lobby is very active online. It will defend even really repugnant crimes. The lobby will also try to discredit genuine information. Very similar to 9/11 forums.

If they can determine what is right and what is wrong, some people prefer Orwells nightmare to Voltaires dream. The JIDF is quite well known to use various tactics to silence other opinions. It has even conducted hacking attacks on facebook groups and deleted their content.
news.bbc.co.uk...

Here a link to the Wikipedia entry for the JIDF:

The Jewish Internet Defense Force (JIDF) is a pro-Israel advocacy organization which shares news and information with members and supporters through email, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Myspace, Digg, and other popular areas of the web.[2] It also seeks out, exposes, and reports online material which is against the Terms of Service of internet companies. The JIDF focuses on materials that promote or praise what it regards as Islamic terrorism and racial hatred. They believe "in direct action to eradicate the promotion of hatred and violence online, and to create the publicity that will cause internet companies to take the needed action themselves" by enforcing their own Terms of Service.[3] The group focuses its attention on websites like Facebook,[4][5] Myspace,[6] YouTube, Google Earth, and Wikipedia.[7]

en.wikipedia.org...

Here the site is mentioned by the major Israelian newspaper Haaretz:
www.haaretz.com...

Here they are mentoned by CNN:
edition.cnn.com...

There are numerous appearances of the JIDF in the MSM. The JIDF has even its own podcast show. They describe themselves the following way: “We represent a younger generation of Jewish leaders, a new approach, and a real grassroots effort for change.”

So, I don't know why some posters think the JIDF is a hoax. Either their reasoning is based on a sloppy research or they use the disingenuous JIDF tactics to distract attention.

“I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” - Voltaire

[edit on 8-3-2010 by Drunkenshrew]

42 U.S.C. § 1985
Conspiracy to interfere with civil rights.

(3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges and immunities under the laws;

www.law.cornell.edu...

This group is operating within the definition of preventing free speech a violation of United States Code. I recommend affected persons organize a class action suit against this group.

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno

PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS INTO A RACE/RELIGION/COUNTRY THREAD!

ISRAEL AND JUDAISM IS NOT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD! THIS IS ABOUT A GROUP OF ORGANIZED PEOPLE, SELF CENSORING THE INTERNET.

You sure seem to want to conceal your jew hate behind a flimsy cloak of "objectivity".

Why is ATS so utterly infested with people like you?

Indeed!

Excuse me I'm confused, if only for a moment.
There seems to be no direct attack at Jews intended, I'd say that it was clearly put to LOOK at the evidence presented.
IF it so happens to land and rest at a Jewish affiliate, THAT is some how the posters doing?
Seriously you must be joking......INDEED?

He didnt create or construct the content of the site mentioned, so how about placing the microscope where it clearly belongs.

I dont like misdirection or forced placed blame.
Nasty the truth can be.....indeed !

This is nothing more than gasoline on a fire,
and who is throwing the gas?


[edit on 8-3-2010 by HappilyEverAfter]

reply to post by raynemarina


Look, you can choose to be Paranoid of the Paranoid people all you want. But if "everyone" is in on it -- the only thing left is to curl up into a fetal position.

We can all live our lives and support people we think are talking truth to power. Sure, there are probably people infiltrating the Truth Movement -- but I think that more and more, people are figuring out that "we don't have to PROVE anything" -- just disprove and demand real investigations.

We know people with us by their actions and credibility -- not by name, because we don't know anyone on the internet for sure.

It's all about focusing on a specific mission and goal, and don't get sidetracked. People who are "with you or against you" don't really matter -- anyone who loses focus and says some nonsense, is "going the wrong direction." Simple as that.

>> But YOUR path is non-productive as well. And being hopeless and paranoid is not a state most people can stay in and remain productive. You can be angry-sure, you can be hopeful--sure, even desperate -- but being paranoid of everything, and worrying about someone who SOUNDS right, but could be a plant -- well, if they own that much and control millions of people rather than a few well-paid thousands in the US -- our goose is cooked anyway.

Just assume that you will win and be victorious, and if you are wrong -- at least you will reduce the amount of time you were depressed. If you are right -- then being positive about a goal is the only thing that will move people.

It might be our kids, kids, but we have to adopt a mind-set and stop looking for quick victories. Teach your kids to nod their heads at the right things -- but "know THEM by what they do." Rush Limbaugh doesn't make $50 Million a year because he speaks the truth.

reply to post by breakingdradles


Ummm, why do you repeatedly tell us at the beginning of your thread that it has nothing to do with racism yet your last line asks us to pass judgement in a racial context ?
Why is it OK to assign a racist connotation to a group when there is a percieved nefarious agenda, regardless of wether truth or conspiracy is involved?

YouSir

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
the Jewish Internet defense force? wow lol. Sounds like lame superheros. I don't think they have as much power as they claim.

I know right? Totally wrong stereotype.

reply to post by libertytoall


An extra 5 minutes of addition research shows

Go Daddy Group Inc
- www.godaddy.com
14455 North Hayden Road, Scottsdale, AZ - (480) 505-8800

The address listed on the WHOIS in Arizona is GODADDY's business address, which is common with PRIVATE REGISTRATIONS, to hide the identity of the actual end user.

I'm not saying that this site is 100% legitimate, I'm merely saying the Arizona aspect is null, google really is mans best friend.

And, on topic - censorship of any kind infuriates me - good find OP.

-Xorkion

reply to post by xorkion


Somebody email Alex Jones about this. I really would like some of their investigators over there to look into this and expose them, put em on the front page.


I bet if that happens, all of a sudden like falling dominoes we are gonna find other website like that of groups doing the same thing.

At least well expose them.


[edit on 8-3-2010 by Pocky]

Two things in reply to the OP...

1) The post itself looks a whole lot like a dis-info type of post with all the bold, italics, super huge font sizes, etc. I couldn't take it seriously anyway.

2) Doesn't look like they are doing anything wrong to me, I'd be glad that any group is going online and trying to remove inappropriate content. If the videos are breaking the rules and regulations that youtube has posted, they arent censoring the material any more than youtube themselves are. Just like any person who runs a site can choose what can be posted.

I understand how the freedom of speech is important and I am glad that we have it, but I also stake a firm stand against lying and deceptive behavior. Lying is not a protected freedom, its actually punishable by law in some cases. The problem often lies in knowing exactly who is telling the truth and who is lying.

Originally posted by Byrd
Well, Libertytoall beat me to it:

Originally posted by libertytoall

Whois: (thejidf.org)
whois.domaintools.com...
Domain ID

152810536-LROR
Domain Name:THEJIDF.ORG
Created On:25-May-2008 04:47:37 UTC
Last Updated On:13-Jan-2010 10:53:16 UTC
Expiration Date:25-May-2012 04:47:37 UTC

The name was bought (probably by an anti-Jewish group) in 2008. They back dated the pages, figuring that nobody would be smart enough to actually look up the registration and see when they pages were actually written (you can do that, too.)

Wayback machine (www.archive.org) shows that they didn't actually put up any pages until after the middle of 2008. Web metrics show that they have almost no visitors.

This one's a hoax, folks. Someone's messing with you.

Learn to use the basic internet tools of Whois, IP lookup, and Wayback Machine and you'll stop the hoaxes before they get any action. In this case, they got more visits and excitement from people reading this thread than they have in the past two years (as far as I can tell from web metrics.)

Deny ignorance.

Please look more into the group.

They, as I said, say the group was started on 9/11/01, not the website.

They then changed the posting date of the "Take Action" page to 9/11/01 as shown in my post.

I hope that clears up you dismissing this whole case upon domain registration info.

If not they have purchased WHOIS Domain protection, as I do, so it shows their domain registrars information, not theirs.

That is GoDaddy's address.

Also, do you really think a group like this would operate directly out of israel?

And now that your concerns have been met, what do you think about what they are doing?

I know you're a moderator, but that's all the more reason for you to be objective.

[edit on 8-3-2010 by breakingdradles]

Originally posted by Mykahel
Two things in reply to the OP...

1) The post itself looks a whole lot like a dis-info type of post with all the bold, italics, super huge font sizes, etc. I couldn't take it seriously anyway.

2) Doesn't look like they are doing anything wrong to me, I'd be glad that any group is going online and trying to remove inappropriate content. If the videos are breaking the rules and regulations that youtube has posted, they arent censoring the material any more than youtube themselves are. Just like any person who runs a site can choose what can be posted.

I understand how the freedom of speech is important and I am glad that we have it, but I also stake a firm stand against lying and deceptive behavior. Lying is not a protected freedom, its actually punishable by law in some cases. The problem often lies in knowing exactly who is telling the truth and who is lying.

1. I thank you for your feedback on my post, and will remember that the next time I write one.

2. I understand what you are saying, as you most likely agree with them. What if a Palestinian group was going around taking down all the Hanukkah videos along with racist videos towards Jews?

As it has been pointed out by another member, they are trying to take down videos of animals saying "Allah". Would you appreciate an Arab force taking down childrens videos that showed Moses?

[edit on 8-3-2010 by breakingdradles]

Originally posted by Mykahel I'd be glad that any group is going online and trying to remove inappropriate content.

I understand how the freedom of speech is important and I am glad that we have it, but I also stake a firm stand against lying and deceptive behavior. Lying is not a protected freedom, its actually punishable by law in some cases. The problem often lies in knowing exactly who is telling the truth and who is lying.

As far as groups organizing to remove inappropriate material from the Internet.. Who makes the call to decide it is inappropriate, or by whose standards is it judged, by what cultures morals and norms is it to be assigned and compared before the judgment is cast? What if the shift towards the mob of mediocrity that is becoming omnipresent via web 2.0 mass voice decisions becomes the new method of determination, will that make the quieter voices any less correct, or wrong?

As far as freedom of speech goes, lying is one of those freedoms that goes along with it, whether we like it or not. The only situations where i am aware of lying being an actionable offence, would be one where it meant a perjury charge. IF lying were to be an otherwise litigious event, there would be very few politicians, or heads of Corporations that didn't have a criminal record of some length stemming from their Campaign/shareholder promises.

IMHO, the systemic issues of things like lying and wide spread deceit stem from issues that have been in the making for a long time. People in general tend to emulate the behaviours of those that are in positions of power, or control. The people that have been in the positions of power within western society have for the most part been Liars and Crooks. These behaviours were bound to have a long term effect on the society they were guiding.

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[edit on 8-3-2010 by And Why]

reply to post by And Why


The problem is that there is a concerted effort to block free speech by alleging you are offended. It's equivalent of me entering a church that is open to the public and claiming they offended my right to religious freedom. When a group places themselves into positions to be offended, when coordinated as part of a plan to block another person's free speech, there exists a conspiracy to deny that right from others.

reply to post by ExPostFacto


I get it, we have the freedom of speech etal

However, some special interest groups have assumed that these rights have granted them the right to not have their feelings hurt as well. Hence the concerted effort to claim that you were offended. I don't quite get it, the people that seem to be getting offended are the people that are either seeking the things out, or are being notified of their existence by a listserv, or an application like Megaphone.

I see that i forgot to include an unfortunately at the end of the sentence about lying being part of freedom of speech. But, as soon as we start telling people what they can or cannot say, regardless of the reasons why. then speech is not free. Irregardless of the ends, it is the means of how one gets there that matters.

The more manipulated the people are, the more manipulative they will likely become. - Purely my speculation

reply to post by Byrd

nice work. thanks for the info, i shall check out; Whois, IP lookup, and Wayback Machine.

To the people saying this is a hoax because of the domain registration date here is something to ponder which I know being one that dabbles in website design / community establishing.

Isn't it possible that this group could have had a different domain name at one point then bought this one once they were more prominent?

Its not hard to transfer webdata / database data to a different host / domain if the proper backups are created.


To the OP interesting and enlightening find. If you take time to consider all angles of a subject then this sort of thing wouldn't surprise you. However finding the 'base of operations' -if you would- is something else.
This thread made me come out of lurker mode... and my main interest is ufo, science, technology, and paranormal subjects... congrats star and flag.

They've actually been doing this for a while now.

It started with Wikipedia now they're aiming to censor everything

People need to stop worrying about being called anti-semite because that is exactly how they control you. By making you fearful of being labeled something you are not in this ultra race sensitive nation that they are taking advantage of.

We need to start exposing them for who they are not what race or religion they are but their core values and their intended goals.