The Playground Bully

OK, this is on topic, just bare with me here and try to keep an open mind.

I want you to imagine you are in elementary school. It is recess time and you are outside with the other kids, enjoying the nice weather. We've all been there, done that.

You are over with your friends, playing what have you, and all of a sudden a bully comes up to you. He doesn't like you and the only thing he wants is to prove he is better than you. Now, this isn't the first time you've encountered this bully, so you know whats coming. You stand up and this bully clocks you right in the face. He walks away laughing with all of his little followers as he takes his pride to the bank.

Now imagine in that position, this happens every single day. There is only one teacher on recess duty and you tell on the bully, but guess what... this teacher happens to be the bully's parent. He/she doesn't want to believe anything you say because they are predisposed that Johnny over there is a perfect little angel.

Day after day you get punched, and day after day you complain, yet nothing is done. So what do you do in the situation?

Well, you can continue complaining and arguing over what you can do - or you can take matters into your own hands. So one day, Johnny comes up to you ready for his daily punch, you stand up, ready for him, and when he takes a swing, you duck. You rear your fist back and you clock Johnny right in the mouth with a right hook that he will NEVER forget.

Yes, you will get in trouble for it, but guess what - Johnny isn't going to mess with you again. He realizes that you aren't that little kid he can just punch and laugh about it.







Guess what ladies and gentlemen - YOU, WE, are all the little kid getting bullied. Johnny, that bully, is the government. Johnny's parent is the courts and the corrupt system that defends him. That playground - is the United States of America.


You see, so many people are under this belief that by speaking out, by taking advantage of the voting system, and by taking part in friendly protests - that this country is going to change, that the bully is simply going to give up.

So many people say that violence should be the "last resort" and that all the peaceful means should be exhausted before we stoop to that level. How to we fight violence with non-violence? Tell me, how do we stop bullets with words?



People will be quick to tell us that the United States government treats us fairly, that at least we are not as worse off as some countries. However, we are quick to dismiss the human atrocities committed by the hands of our government in foreign lands - and because it is not happening to us we are deemed to accept that?

The United States has killed thousands upon thousands of innocent people in the race for Empire and resources, yet because it is not a crime against us - we forgive them. We pretend like they are not capable of turning the barrels against us if they so chose to, and we pretend like we are living in a pipe dream - where the government cares about OUR well being above the call for wealth and world renowned power. You do not have to be enlightened to see that this is a lie - you do not have to be a seer to see the patterns of where our controllers are leading us. You need only to open your eyes and look into a mirror.




For the proponents of peaceful change, I have to say - how long do we wait? How long will it take? Are you so naive to think that it is only in THIS generation that peaceful change a protest was attempted? Are you so blind to see that the voices of the people have not been heard in recent times, and not only that but they have been ignored for a century? Will it take the barrels of guns in your faces to finally realize that peaceful change has failed?

Because at that point it will be too late. By the time anyone draws their weapon they will be gone. Those in power will have the initiative and whatever voice you may have had before, will be drawn to a whisper. Whatever independent thoughts you may have had will be left for the dreams of sleep.



So many people will claim that I crave violence, that I am blood thirsty and that I am a lunatic for calling for open revolution. Let them believe what they will. However, at the same time I know that there are some out there who realize as I do, that the peaceful means of change have ALREADY been exhausted, and any more is simply a waste of manpower and energy which could be used to effect the real change.

Let us face the facts. Proponents of peaceful change call that this November, there will be a sweeping revolution in the political sector. I however, have seen the same ideologies past around before and I have seen the same empty promises. When the people fail to awaken due to the brainwashing and conniving nature of our government, and come November, when Democrats and Republicans once again fill the seats in Washington - will peaceful changers finally move on?

No. They will just keeping telling on the bully and hoping that somehow it changes. The problem is that people are stuck with the illusion that they get to choose who leads, when in reality the only choices you are given are between the bully's mother or father. Both have the same predisposition, both are out to protect their son, and both will stop at nothing to do so.




I call for a revolution not because I am bloodthirsty or violent in nature. When I was younger and went hunting for the first time, I remember having a deer in my gun sights. I could have pulled the trigger and killed the animal, but at the time I didn't know WHY I was killing that animal. Over the years I realized that there was a reason for it, to feed my family and others that benefited, however, I never considered myself above the animal. I considered it a mutual respect for the both of us.

I can understand how some people ask "WHY" should we put the government in our sights, and I picture little me out there, letting the game get away. But the answer remains the same for both instances: survival. In the situation of the hunter, we must kill so that we may consume, and we must consume so that we may survive. In the situation of the hunted, we must defend so that we may survive. We have the opportunity to survive and stop the chain of events before it is too late, or we can simply let the animal destroy us.



I don't want violence. Too many people like to label me as such. I was once asked - "If you don't like violence than why do you fight?". A few years ago I would say that I fight to find a reason to fight. But today I see a reason worthy of our plight:

The future. The children who will be forced to live for our mistakes. The generations to come what will be forced to live under the rule that we have failed to prevent.

A memorable quote that comes to mind is this:

"The people who started the war are the reason. And unless you fight to get rid of the reason, nothing will ever change. I fight to get rid of the reason."






To all of those out there who propose peaceful change - your heart is in the right place. You would choose to attack my ways and thinking - but you must understand we are all looking for the same result. We seek to return this country to its founding glory, we just see different ways of doing such. I just ask that you keep an open mind to my beliefs, as well as so many others, and you keep an open ear to the tales of history that have spoke of such things in the past.

We may not be taking the same path, but we are going to the same destination. I ask that we set aside our differences and our pointless squabbles and instead focus on the problem, the REASON that we fight - and that we fight to get rid of that reason under whatever way that can work.

Arguing over how to do something will never get it done, and it is high time we stopped the talk - and made a difference, one way or the other.



My wishes and regards go out to all Patriots fighting for a better tomorrow.

-Gwyd


[edit on 8-3-2010 by gwydionblack]

"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me. "
~Martin Neimoller

This poem is about how the German people ignored the threats from the rise of the Nazi's they turned a blind eye to their tyranny until it was too late.

Is this what we want to happen to America? He have turned into a Corporate State that just might be Fascist depending on certain interpretations. Like Communism, Fascism is one of the worst forms of government. I think Franklin Delano Roosevelt said it better than anyone else.

"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power."
~Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Sadly but truly we are now a Fascist state. S/F

I agree it's time to start kicking some a** and taking down names!!!!! /it really is all I can say,if I said anything less I'd be a hypocrite because I was the equalizer in school, I kicked A** and took down names, so I am on board with the warrior attitude, I would love a peaceful resolution, but you're right, there will never be one! And I for one AM FED up!!!!!


S&F!

This is a good post it needs a *bump*

Thanks for the replies although the few there are so far.

If I would make a topic with an argumentative edge to it, I would have 50 flags and 5 pages of replies by now, but I suppose a topic supporting action and unity doesn't really fit well into some posters agendas. They would much rather argue amongst the issues then to actually do something about them.

Needless to say, thank the two of you again and hopefully we can get some more input on the topic.

gwyd,


I respect you and all of the threads that you have started and commented on calling for an open revolution. I do agree to an extent that we have exhausted the peaceful means that we have to protest the injustices that are committed in the name of "liberty."

The day I saw liberty die was when Obama was elected into the White House. Liberty died with thunderous applause, and that was when I truly knew that this country was dead.

However, who would we stand up against? The White House? The Congress? The House of Representatives? The Supreme Court? The Banks? Where would we start to draw the line in the sand? I don't think that there is an easy answer for this. The problem (and maybe it was made out to be this way by TPTB) is that the "enemy to liberty" has been disseminated between so many different powers that we don't even know who the real enemy of our country is. Even if there were to be a violent revolution, who would stand up to pick up the pieces? How would we make sure that tyranny didn't rise again? How about those of us who would be willing to stand by your side and fight----how would we make sure to not fall into the same traps as the very people in power have fallen in to?

History will always be doomed to repeat itself because of the way that our world works. The people in power have all the power, and they rule over the others. It's a common theme throughout history.

I truly think in my heart of hearts that you are on to something, but there is only so much that we can do when so many of our people have been "sheeple-ized." Most people, including myself at times, are more concerned about making enough money to keep our cars running, keep food on the table, keep our houses, and keep the lights/water on. I think that was the intended goal of TPTB from the beginning. I honestly don't know if there will be a breaking point, because so many of our people are already at a stage where they don't care anymore.

It's a sad state of affairs when you come to this realization.

A hero is just a man who knows he's free.

You are one of those people my friend, and I wish you all the luck and grace in the world that your words will one day inspire people to finally stand up. If that day comes, I will be right by your side.


Peace be with you,


-truthseeker

Revolution peaceful or by force doesnt mean the same ol same type of bully wont pop its head back up again later on.

What we need is anarchy accomplished to stay instead of government again and again and again. Government will always breed a bully's playground.

Tribes of anarchy is where it's at. Government means war at some point, anarchy doesn't mean war at any point. A country full of anarchy wont be a threat to the other countries out there. A country full of anarchy doesnt have to worry about enemies of other countries.

reply to post by truthseeker1984


Thank you for the vow of confidence; it means quite a lot. I can only hope that there are more like you out there that will be willing to fight when the time is necessary, otherwise it will all be for nothing.

Peace be with you.


reply to post by Tormentations


Anarchy is a pipe dream that is great on the small scale, but the more you add to the mix, the more individual beings you bring into a pot of anarchy, the more chaos that is formed. There is a limit to how well anarchy can succeed before it becomes complete chaos, and the only way to prevent that is to have a set of guides and if people will not follow those guides you will need someone to enforce those guides. Thus, government is born.

However, it is the MINIMAL government that is necessary, so that the free will and individuality of anarchism still remains.

No doubt the bully may return one day, but at least we will have been better learned and able to prepare for him. Perhaps we might train those who would grow up to be the bullies to instead be productive and self servient. Foresight would be in our favor but we will still get nowhere if we allow the current bully to run amok.









I suppose I will try to bump this topic once more. As I stated, so many people are keen on ARGUING, COMPLAINING, and DISAGREEING, yet they won't even acknowledge a call to join everyone on the same page. This is typical and at the very least, I thought better of the ATS community.

Thanks to those who took the time out to reply and comment. Obviously it shall be us to be the ones to lean on each other in times of strife to come.

-Gwyd

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Society has Protected the Adult and Blamed the Victim by Alice Miller

["When Galileo Galilei in 1613 presented mathematical proof for the Copernican theory that the earth revolved around the sun and not the opposite, it was theological heresy and therefore labeled by the Church as "philosophically false and absurd". Galileo was forced to recant his statement and became blind as a result. Almost three hundred years later the Church finally decided to give up its illusion and remove his writings from the Index.

Today we find ourselves in a situation similar to that of the Church in Galileo's time, but for us today much more hangs in the balance. Our decision for either Truth or Illusion will have more weighty consequences for the survival of humanity than was the case in the seventeenth century.

It has been scientifically proven in the last few years that the devastating results of the traumatizing of children are inescapably thrown back onto society. This knowledge concerns every single person and must - if spread sufficiently - direct basic changes in our society, especially the stopping of the blind escalation of violence.

The following points will attempt to clarify what is meant here:

1. Every child comes into the world in order to grow, to develop himself, to live, to love, and to articulate his needs and his feeling for self-preservation.

2. In order to be able to develop themselves, children need the help of adults who are aware of their needs, who protect them, respect them, take them seriously, love them, and honestly help them to orient themselves.

3. When these vital needs of the child are frustrated and the child, instead, is abused for the needs of the adult - beaten, punished, maltreated, manipulated, neglected, or betrayed, without the interference of a witness - then the integrity of the child will suffer a lifelong hurt.

4. The normal reaction to hurt should be anger and pain. However, that anger remains forbidden to the child in a hurtful environment, and the pain would be unbearable in a child's loneliness. The child must then suppress his feelings, repress the memory of the trauma, and idealize his aggressor. He does not know later what has happened to him.

5. Disconnected from their original cause, feelings of anger, helplessness, confusion, longing, distress, anxiety, and pain force destructive actions against others (criminal behavior or mass murder) or against oneself (drug addiction, prostitution, psychic disorders and suicide).

6. The victims of the aggressors' vengeance are often their own children, used as scapegoats. Their persecution in our society is still legitimate, even held in high esteem, so long as we define it as education. Tragically, parents beat their own children in order not to feel what their own parents had done to them.

7. An abused child will not become either a criminal or mentally ill if at least once in his life he meets a person who clearly realizes that it is not the beaten, helpless child, but his environment which is crazy. To this extent, the knowledge or ignorance of society (in the person of relatives, social workers, therapists, teachers, doctors, psychiatrists, officials, nurses) can save or help to destroy life.

8. Till now, society has protected the adult and blamed the victim. We have been assisted in our blindness by theories, conforming to the educational patterns of our great-grandparents, in which children were seen as creatures ruled by meanness and destructive drives, inventing deceitful and fanciful events, and offending or desiring sexually their innocent parents. In truth, each child tends to take the blame and responsibility for the cruelty of his parents due to his constant love for them.

9. Thanks to the use of new therapeutic methods, we are now able empirically to verify that all the repressed traumatic experiences of childhood are stored up and they affect one unconsciously for one's whole life.

10. In the light of this newly achieved knowledge, every absurd behavior reveals its logic as soon as childhood traumatic experiences no longer remain in darkness.

11. The increase in our sensitivity to the generally denied cruelty in childhood and its effects will bring to an end the violence passed on from generation to generation.

12. People whose integrity in childhood has not been hurt, who received from their parents protection, respect, and honesty, will be, in their youth and later, intelligent, sensible, empathic, and highly sensitive. They will have a joy of living and will feel no need to harm another person or themselves nor to commit murder. They will need their strength to protect themselves but not to attack others. They would not be able to do otherwise than to respect and protect those weaker, and thus their own children, because they have experienced exactly this and because exactly this knowledge and not cruelty is stored up in them."]

By Alice Miller
Much more material along these lines, concerning cruelty toward children and the roots of violence by Alice Miller can be found at
www.naturalchild.org...

Hows this for a bump?



[edit on 8-3-2010 by rusethorcain]

It will begin with a single incident, one person being killed by overzealous government operatives, probably the FBI or DEA. That person's plight will inspire others, first amongst their family or other close-knit group that they are associated with. That group will strike back, maybe not immediately but within weeks or months. The government reaction to them will be so extreme that no amount of media manipulation will be able to keep the true significance of the event from reaching the people. Think Waco multiplied by 10. Once this happens, other groups who sympathize with that group, no matter now tangentially will rise up and strike out at the government on their own. Before long, even putting the military in the streets will not be enough. Granted, many millions of people will die and our cities will burn, but our chance to rebuild will come.

Everyone here are so eloquent and inspiring that my puny

Hey - I'm with ya!

Just kinda seems lost in the void. But you know what - I too, am tired of researching and voting and having a choice of two evils, do you choose the devil you know? or the devil you dont? Either way, I'm not winning.

I am here to help get it done. If its time - its time. If its too late, at least I made a choice. I am not a violent person but neither am I a doormat.

Casing





[edit on 9-3-2010 by Casing]

You're right, let the progressive revolution begin!

No more kicking the 35 million people who are already down!
No more allowing 80% of the wealth to be held by 20% of the population!
No more rewarding failure!
No more allowing the success of your family to determine the success of you!
We must stand united and give power back to the populace and not the greedy monopolies!

May the collective of society be served by those who only claim to serve it!

I see where the power is held, let's even out the playing field and spread the wealth of the wealthiest nation to it's people! Together, united as one, society can progress beyond infantile squabbles over mediocre tax increases and collectively support sustainability and progress across the board!

Oh not again, not another one of these "Rise up and start killing Americans!" threads.

Ya know what? If you want a revolution so badly, go start one. Quit trying to recruit members into your little fold.

If you are that suicidal, just pick up your gun, and go do whatever it is you think will justify your death. Just, please, don't ask people do die with you. That's insane.

I have talked with you on this subject to know that your end result, and my end result are vastly different.

Oh and BTW, just so you know, when peaceful means is no longer an option? You will know. It's not something that needs to be discussed, never was, never will be.

reply to post by whatukno


And finally a little sanity enters the smoke filled room... Thank goodness

reply to post by rusethorcain


It just astonishes me to no end when threads like this are started. Here we are, having to discuss once again, Americans killing Americans.

All this is, is the resurgence of Southern Secessionists.

Related and intertwined secondary issues also fueled the dispute; these secondary differences included tariffs, agrarianism vs. industrialization, and states' rights. The immediate spark for secession came from the victory of the Republican Party and the election of Abraham Lincoln in the 1860 elections.

en.wikipedia.org...

Sounds a lot like today doesn't it?

I think that our OP friend would rather replace the United States Constitution, with the Confederate States Constitution. And I think he doesn't mind killing a lot of Americans to do it either.

Originally posted by links234
You're right, let the progressive revolution begin!

"progressive revolution"

What an oxymoron!

You, of course, are talking about the "peace at any price" progressives.

The ones that are afraid of guns, don't own any, and don't think anyone else should either.

You're going to start a revolution?

Originally posted by whatukno
Oh not again, not another one of these "Rise up and start killing Americans!" threads.

Amen, brother.

Ya know what? If you want a revolution so badly, go start one. Quit trying to recruit members into your little fold.

Maybe this IS their feeble attempt to do just that?

If you are that suicidal, just pick up your gun, and go do whatever it is you think will justify your death. Just, please, don't ask people do die with you. That's insane.

If he is a "progressive", it is insane to talk about revolution since he's most likely also terrified of guns and doesn't own one.

I have talked with you on this subject to know that your end result, and my end result are vastly different.

No doubt, hopes to have someone else do his fightin' for him - a familiar "progressive" tactic.

Oh and BTW, just so you know, when peaceful means is no longer an option? You will know. It's not something that needs to be discussed, never was, never will be.

Oh, and nothing like all these "revolution" people giving the government a list of who to come round up first. That's how they'll know it's time.






[edit on 3/9/2010 by centurion1211]

reply to post by centurion1211


Spoken like a true warrior. Just what we need another fighter.
To the left, to the left.

reply to post by centurion1211


I guess you could call me a progressive. I have been called a dirty liberal. I have a gun and no, I am not afraid to use it.
I am not looking forward to it, in a slobbering love affair. This is the real difference I think between the two sides.

You all mock more rational folks just because we don't walk around town with shoulder holsters on making people stare down the barrel of our freedom.

But progress on to my lawn as part of your revolutionary war and you will see the lead fly my friend.

reply to post by rusethorcain


I figure what you are trying to say is that, perchance I was abused as a child and so I am predisposed to violence. Allow me to prove your science experiment wrong.

I grew up in a fairly poor family until I was 8 or so. We didn't have much but we were happy. Soon enough our family evolved to the middle class, and sooner rather than later, we evolved into the upper echelon of the middle class. I couldn't say that I was spoiled as a child, but my parents weren't ever the ones to give me something I desired. But I was different, I didn't was zounds of entertainment and toys, I instead chose education. Books and computer programs that taught which my parents were more than happy to buy for me.

They never abused me. In fact, I love my parents very much for my upbringing. I grew up to be top of my class in school, and graduated salutatorian in college. I have worked on my own since I was 15 and haven't accepted any handouts since. Even after I lost my job almost a year ago, I have yet to get handouts from my parents or the government because I am much happier being responsible for myself and not laying that burden on others.

I have had a good life to a standard. I am not saying that I am without problems but your little psychological evaluation is dead wrong. I'm just an average guy, living in a small town, with average family and average friends. However, I am an average guy with BIG thoughts and big dreams. I have ideals and I plan to see those through until the end.




reply to post by links234


the things you listed aren't really what I would consider progressive thinking. Perhaps your wording is skewed.

What I seek is a return to the moral and ethical upbringing of the Constitution, however, the next poster would have you believe otherwise.




reply to post by whatukno


Oh what thread would be complete without whatuknow coming into spout his rhetoric and propaganda based on no facts whatsoever. As usually, the scope of this posts eludes your mind and instead you try to derail it once again with your attacks against me that you formulate from thin air. I'm still awaiting the posts I asked you for in which you provide some kind of proof of your accusations against me?

No, you will follow your creed that you feel is the American way - your little belief that I am "guilty until proven innocent". Let us see how far that gets you.

Oh and BTW, just so you know, when peaceful means is no longer an option? You will know. It's not something that needs to be discussed, never was, never will be.

I already do know. So I guess you are right. However, there are those that would still continue to do it and expect it to somehow be different this time. You mentioned insanity, how does that little quote go?

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result."

Yeah, something like that. Who is the sane ones again?

reply to post by rusethorcain

 

Yeah, some sanity. Let's pat each other on the backs and serve drinks. That is going to accomplish much. Maybe we can TALK more about the issues and discuss things that we AREN'T going to do to change them.




reply to post by whatukno


And yes, let us start a discussion amongst ourselves about what YOU think the OP stands for. You know, if you honestly don't think a revolution is possible, then why is there so much fear emanating from you? Why are you so damn keen on trying to tell ME what I stand for?

That is MY job, not yours. You will NEVER be taken as a credible argument by me, or anybody who feels the way I do, if you don't stop throwing lunatic accusations and intentional false attacks at character.

Seriously, you are either afraid or you have an alternate agenda. No one is this adamant and disruptive unless there is an underlying motive.


Now, you either discuss the original topic, or you leave. This isn't a topic about MY personal beliefs and what YOU think they are. I'm seriously getting tired of having to defend myself from you. Ignore would be the best option, however, leaving your propaganda ignored would only serve your agenda even more.






As far as the other posts in this topic, which have ignored the topic entirely - you know, the one about unity and trying to achieve the same goals - instead you have ignored that call and embarked on an argument spree, attacking myself and fellow revolutionaries.

You want peaceful change, we want revolutionary change - well guess what - NONE OF IT is going to work unless we work together. Why is it so hard for you to embrace that other people have different beliefs and differences in action, and instead you resort to calling them insane or destroying their characters?

The fact is, since I have been here, I may have disagreed with a number of people who have promoted peaceful change, but I have NEVER attacked them or considered them my enemy. However, when someone chooses to personally attack me and argue instead of dealing with the issues at hand, that shows me two things:

1. They aren't worthy of the credit I give them.

and

2. They don't really care about this country and what it was founded on, they care only about furthering their OWN agendas.



Why is it so hard for everyone to live as an individual and not under your pseudo left-wing, right-wing, progressive, BS system?

"He's a progressive!"

"He's a dirty liberal!"

"He's a secessionist!"


When did society change to labels instead of considering us for what we truly are: PEOPLE!

We are all individuals and are going to think differently, but you have to understand that what we are facing are people who want to take the right to think differently AWAY from us. There will be no progressives, liberals, conservatives, secessionists, or anything anymore, because it will all be controlled!

I fight so that in the future, ourselves and our children will have the RIGHTS and FREEDOMS to think differently. They will have the right to do what we have today. But we can't let our differences seperate and polarize us. Don't you understand that that has been their agenda the entire time?

Gay rights? Abortion? Education? All distractions to polarize us. We all want the same goal. And Wuk, regardless of what you say - your goal is the goal I'm looking for as well. You can say all your want to try to demonize that, BUT that doesn't change the facts.



So here we all, in a call for unity, and the few people who posted can not even see through their age old arguments and discretions. Perhaps I asked too much.

Perhaps people are simply incapable of embracing and accepting differing views and opinions. Before you are ever capable of a revolution, be it peaceful or violent, you first need to understand do that. Until then, I can only continue to spread my word and hope for the best.