Could Phobos Be Hollow? Flyby took no photo's.

www.universetoday.com...

Quote from source:
Back in the 1950s and 1960s, there was some speculation that Mars moon Phobos could possibly be hollow due to the its unusual orbital characteristics. While scientists now agree that the moon is very likely not hollow, vast caverns may exist within the moon, and it might be a porous body instead of solid. The Mars Express spacecraft made a close flyby of Phobos on Wednesday to help provide more data on the interior of Phobos, and all indications are the event was a big success. The spacecraft skimmed smoothly over the odd-shaped moon at just 67 km, the closest any manmade object has ever been. No images were taken from this flyby. Instead all the instruments were turned off so that ground stations could listen for a pure radio signal of how Phobos "tugged" on the spacecraft. Scientists say the data collected could help unlock the origin of Phobos and other ‘second generation’ moons.

“Phobos is probably a second-generation Solar System object,” said Martin Pätzold, Universitat Koln, Cologne, Germany, and Principal Investigator of the Mars Radio Science (MaRS) experiment. Second generation means that it coalesced in orbit after Mars formed, rather than forming at the same time out of the same birth cloud as the Red Planet. There are other moons around other planets where this is thought to have been the case too, such as Amalthea around Jupiter.
Previous flybys of Phobos have shown that it is not dense enough to be solid all the way through. Instead, it must be 25-35% porous. This has led planetary scientists to believe that it is little more than a ‘rubble pile’ circling Mars. Such a rubble pile would be composed of blocks both large and small resting together, with possibly large spaces between them where they do not fit easily together.

Seriously, WTF?

They turned off all of the instruments and took no pictures? I posted something that said NASA was going to have a live feed for the flyby.

This, to me is really strange. Why flyby a moon, claim to have as live feed for it and take no pictures? Something is up here...Am I the only one?

Any thoughts?

Pred...

According to Steve Quayle, theres something very evil in Phobos...and its NOT extraterrestrial (so he says) He has said it many times, in fact Demos too.
He never says anything other that if man knew what was there, IT WOULD MAKE OUR HEARTS FAIL.

reply to post by predator0187


Seriously, did you not read what you posted as a quote?

It clearly says that they think it is just a rubble pile and hence why it would be considered porous. Also they said they turned off all the equiptment "so that ground stations could listen for a pure radio signal of how Phobos "tugged" on the spacecraft."

Quote from your own quote.

Instead all the instruments were turned off so that ground stations could listen for a pure radio signal of how Phobos "tugged" on the spacecraft. Scientists say the data collected could help unlock the origin of Phobos and other ‘second generation’ moons.

Oh and I also really doubt that the devil or whatever evil thing is hanging out in a moon of mars.

[edit on 5-3-2010 by Mr Sunchine]

reply to post by dgtempe


Why do you have to scare me? Why do you think NASA would hold onto this information?

That's a creepy way to think about it, and now I think you made my heart fail. Any more info about this?

Pred...

reply to post by Mr Sunchine


No, no I read it. And yes that is what they say. Wouldn't a good way to study Phobos would be to take pictures? That was the plan. I had another thread where NASA said they were going to stream a live feed of the video, and now they say they turned everything off.

Sounds weird to me, that's all....

Pred...

reply to post by predator0187


I wasnt trying to scare you. I listen to Quayle and he always mentions this BUT NEVER EXPLAINS IT.

i thought they had taken pictures before,

A mikesingh thread :

What's That on Phobos?

reply to post by predator0187


Sorry for over reacting. I just find it hard to believe people when I read things like the Earth's moon is hollow or whatever in the solar system is hollow. Gravity wouldn't really allow for things to form in a hollow state on that scale. That was my point, but sorry for acting like a total ass.

reply to post by dgtempe


I've never heard of this Quayle guy.. But how does he know there is evilnesss on Phobos?

reply to post by predator0187


Love your enthusiasm - but you have to know by now NASA show us nothing - for if they ever did - they would be deemed just as fallible as each and every being on this planet.

They know what's going on, and it will only be a matter of time you and I do too. Take comfort in knowing your frustrations are not isolated.

I'd ask you to watch the recent movie "The Box" which in my opinion is an insiders perspective on how NASA is run, and whom by.

reply to post by Mr Sunchine


No worries buddy.

I am sure there would be a slim chance of something being porous in space, not to say Phobos is. We really have very little insight into gravity, although we do have theories. Gravity is very misunderstood.

I do not really believe the whole 'devil' thing either, but it is damn freaky to think about.

Pred...

Personally, I find little credence in that NASA explanation.

Are they expecting us to believe that millions were spent designing, creating, testing, launching the Phobos probe, and then waiting many months for it to complete the journey ... only to have it shut down completely as it flies by Phobos ... except for a single onboard radio transmitter.
And all the above just to see how the probe is affected by Phobos's minuscule gravity field ... what the heck are they thinking ... we've got a few million spare, why don't we throw it away on a ridiculously simple experiment ?

And how would taking and storing onboard photos of the close flyby affect the gravity/radio experiment ? They could have beamed the photos back at any time after the equipment was turned back on.
In fact, just occurred to me ... they obviously had a live transmitter active sending a continuous signal back to Earth, then they could have just as easily sent live transmission back and still analyzed that live transmission radio signal for perturbations caused by Phobos's gravity field.

And even more curious, because they had previously publicized live telemetry during the fly-by ... doesn't this therefore imply that this equipment shutdown 'experiment' was NOT part of the original mission parameters and instead, a decision made at the last minute ?

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Yeah, I watched the box, decent movie, interesting perspective.

I really don't like anything to do with 'God' though. I think it had something to with the box anyway, I could be wrong. The minute I see anything to do with 'God' my brain shuts off in a frustrated moment.

I heard somewhere that NASA was set up initially as a disinfo project, I could be wrong though, can't really remember where I heard it.

And, Thanks, Good to know I am not the only one that finds 'shutting off all instruments' fishy. Seriously NASA, you can't leave instruments on while taking measurements.

Pred...

Originally posted by scubagravy
i thought they had taken pictures before,

A mikesingh thread :

What's That on Phobos?

yeah i remember that. and where has Mikesingh been anyway? I havent seen him in a LONG time

Originally posted by dgtempe
According to Steve Quayle, theres something very evil in Phobos...and its NOT extraterrestrial (so he says) He has said it many times, in fact Demos too.
He never says anything other that if man knew what was there, IT WOULD MAKE OUR HEARTS FAIL.

Yeah crap, it would definitely make your heart fail. Especially if you didn't bring your BFG with you.

Originally posted by dgtempe
According to Steve Quayle, theres something very evil in Phobos...and its NOT extraterrestrial (so he says) He has said it many times, in fact Demos too.
He never says anything other that if man knew what was there, IT WOULD MAKE OUR HEARTS FAIL.

Ya, but you can say that about anything out of reach...
If you knew what was in the moon, your heart would fail
If you knew the secret ingredient in milk chocolate...etc

These people must have very weak hearts I reckon...I mean, I cannot think of anything being there that upon hearing of it, would cause me to have a heart attack...and I can imagine some pretty wild things...such as our actual atrophied bodys in pods sleeping and this life is a dream..ok, thats freaky, but hardly to die for...or satans army of fallen angels, or all the aborted babies turned into flesh eating zombies, etc...

I think the worst thing someone could say to me is that in the whole universe, in all of time and space...this small blue ball is it..the only life in the whole universe, and all the life there will ever be. That would make me the most depressed..even if the alternative was space vampires.

Mars Express has been orbiting the planet for six years.

Mars express is not a NASA project.

The current Phobos "campaign" involves twelve passes at the moon. The first five passes are in darkness, on the nightside. The camera would have been useless. The express (pun intended) purpose of this flyby was to get very precise measurements of the gravitational field around Phobos. Two prior passes made radar only investigations.

On upcoming passes the camera will be used.
www.esa.int...

This is what you posted in your first thread (not sure why you started a new one).

To make the very sensitive measurements of Phobos' interior, all the data signals from the spacecraft will be turned off. The only thing that the ground stations will listen out for is the ‘carrier signal’ – the pure radio signal that is normally modulated to carry data.
With no data on the carrier signal, the only thing that can modulate the signal is any change in its frequency caused by Phobos tugging the spacecraft. The changes will amount to variations of just one part in a trillion, and are a manifestation of the Doppler effect – the same effect that causes an ambulance siren to change pitch as it zooms past.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Didn't you read it the first time? There was nothing said about a live feed. Real time updates were to be provided on the Mars Express blog.

[edit on 3/6/2010 by Phage]

reply to post by Phage


Nah, I read it the first time all I was saying was the instruments had to be turned off? Just to take some readings?

If something happens to the fly-by's and this or only the ones that have darkness work then all of a sudden they lose contact/something happens to it/'mars curse' this is going to be strange.

I was ranting about it not taking the time to snap a few pictures, because of readings. Just strange to me...I must be inadequately explaining my point I guess. My apologies.

Pred....

P.S. sorry about the NASA thing I just meant million upon millions were spent on this thing and yet it cannot multitask, but can find a minuscule moon on a miniscule planet 300 million km's away. I know your usually pretty informed so if you can educate me I am willing to hear.

[edit on 6-3-2010 by predator0187]

reply to post by predator0187

Well yes. Very precise readings. The reason the data stream was stopped is well explained, they needed a very clean signal from the spacecraft in order to get those readings. That is the purpose of Mars Express, to "just take some readings" and learn as much as possible about Mars and its moons.

As far as any particular risk goes, there really isn't any. They had full control of the craft the entire time. They had a clear radio signal from it, the only thing missing was data in that signal. Because of the purity of the signal, they knew exactly where ME was the entire time.

That's a new one for the weird NASA files , And I thought I had seen it all hehe