Conservatives eye new lyrics for our national anthem (Canada)

Let's compare the amount of equality emails versus tax protest emails.

Do the tax protest emails make the Government consider changing NATIONAL IDENTITY??? I N S A N E!

Warning to Canada: These symptoms are signs of the very same CANCER that attacked the USA just before the financial collapse and current fiscal, political PURGATORY.

If you must change it, change SONS to ONES. Idiocracy is everywhere!

Originally posted by purplemonkeydishwasher
lol. Carry on talking about distrations then. Sorry to have interrupted.

Nationalism will be the downfall of this 'great country'...of thieves and murderers.

I feel sorry for you. This country IS great. The people here, for the most part, ARE great. If you think about it almost EVERY country standing now has been 'stolen' from another people.

Your snide remarks are not welcome here, as they actually add nothing to the thread, but your own opinion on things NOT related to the thread.

It's not hard to understand.

Originally posted by Atlantican
Let's compare the amount of equality emails versus tax protest emails.

Do the tax protest emails make the Government consider changing NATIONAL IDENTITY??? I N S A N E!

Warning to Canada: These symptoms are signs of the very same CANCER that attacked the USA just before the financial collapse and current fiscal, political PURGATORY.

If you must change it, change SONS to ONES. Idiocracy is everywhere!

This is exactly what I'm saying. Thanks for the reply, and adding to the discussion. We're losing more and more every day... To people who are supposed to work for us.



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What about transgender persons - is the anthem going to be totally dismissive of them? Like they don't even exist!

Where is their mention? And what about the Quebecois?! Shouldn't Canadians be forced to since the song twice in both languages - and modified to include reference to all minorities in the lyrics - I should think so!






I'm going to write an MP about this.

bleh, nationalism crap.

We need a human anthem!

Originally posted by starstrings
bleh, nationalism crap.

We need a human anthem!

Nationalism is best.


What language will your anthem be? Chinese?

reply to post by Exuberant1


Does it have to be one language?

Originally posted by starstrings
reply to post by Exuberant1

 

Does it have to be one language?

In how many languages will people be expected to sing your new world order anthem?

reply to post by Exuberant1


What am I some dictator? Why does it matter what language it is... It undermines my point.

I suggested that there should be a human anthem, because I believe humanity works best as an unadulterated collabrative. Look at technology, and compare it to globalization. Yes, there are a lot of terrible things that come with globalization. Though I think this is a result of a greater ill, not globalization specifically.

I have some suggestions:

O Canada
Our home was native land
Not any more
We stripped it from their hands

I think I nailed it.

About the two languages thing. I like the version where they sing the first part in French and the second part in English, like at Montreal Canadiens hockey games. I think it should be taught that way.



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Originally posted by TheComte
I have some suggestions:

O Canada
Our home was native land
Not any more
We stripped it from their hands

I think I nailed it.

About the two languages thing. I like the version where they sing the first part in French and the second part in English, like at Montreal Canadiens hockey games. I think it should be taught that way.



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Maybe it should be taught that way once the Quebecors decide to honor BOTH national languages though-out their province. Being an 'ANGLO', I've NEVER been treated nicely anywhere in Quebec, let alone treated like a Canadian... Just sayin...

Either way, I should have used your example (one line of the actual anthem), to prove my point in the page prior.

People feeling left out of the anthem should really think about THIS line:

"Our Home and NATIVE LAND"

Really?

I have many friends who have moved here from other countries. They are proud as hell to be Canadians. They love this country, and all that we stand for... What if some of these folks, even some being in the military, fighting alongside the children of this nation, feel LEFT OUT, because this ISN'T their native land...

How would those of you who agree with the changes to the national anthem feel about those words being stripped, and changed to something 'more PC' ?

Thanks all for creating a great thread here with thoughtful comments and discussion! Stars all around!

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Originally posted by jephers0n

Conservatives eye new lyrics for our national anthem

www.thestar.com

OTTAWA—Three days after Canadians belted out “O Canada” to celebrate the nation’s Olympic hockey win, Stephen Harper’s Conservatives are asking whether the anthem should be changed.

The phrase “In all thy sons command” has some women calling for a gender-neutral version, Industry Minister Tony Clement says, citing an email from a constituent.

(visit the link for the full news article)



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that is the dumbest thing ever...as a WOMAN, I would keep singing it the normal way....like seriously, why should the world be ruled by peoples egos and insecurities???/

BIG NO from moi!

Originally posted by mellisamouse



that is the dumbest thing ever...as a WOMAN, I would keep singing it the normal way....like seriously, why should the world be ruled by peoples egos and insecurities???/

BIG NO from moi!

Thanks for the reply Melissa! I have heard the same response from each and every girl and woman I have spoken to of this, since the announcement.

It makes you wonder WHO these people are who are complaining, no?
Could they be the same ladies who pushed to shut down our playgrounds in public schools because kids COULD hurt themselves on them? What drives these people to take it personally? Do they actually believe that the song was written about THEM specifically, or that it SHOULD be?

If any of these ladies were veterans, or soldiers, I would fully agree with them feeling that way, as was brought up earlier by Masqua. BUT, if these are regular "citizens" (I now use THAT term LOOSELY for those complaining of feeling 'left out'), then NO ONE should even have taken note of a word they have to say.

What a worlddddddd.

Originally posted by jephers0n
Maybe it should be taught that way once the Quebecors decide to honor BOTH national languages though-out their province. Being an 'ANGLO', I've NEVER been treated nicely anywhere in Quebec, let alone treated like a Canadian... Just sayin...

Being a mutt consisting of just about every ethnic group one can imagine, I propose the national anthem for this multicultural country should be changed to include them ALL!!

Just kidding.

Having been to Quebec a few times in my life, I can say that the response to my presence there on the most part has been pleasurable. There were occasions, though, when the general rudeness one finds in France was being celebrated as well. In the back country and off the tourist routes, it was obvious that my insufferable lack of proper French provoked their disgust.

On the other hand, when sticking to the main roads and cities, negativity disappears like the morning fog.

I have many friends who have moved here from other countries. They are proud as hell to be Canadians. They love this country, and all that we stand for... What if some of these folks, even some being in the military, fighting alongside the children of this nation, feel LEFT OUT, because this ISN'T their native land...

*holds up hand*

Born in Holland and emigrated to Canada when I was just a youngster. Canada is my adopted land. I joined the Canadian Military and stuck with them for the great training. Never regret a moment of it either. As the years went by, I became a Canadian, loving the wild northlands, enjoying the company of the many people that came into my life. The variations that one finds in Canada are truly astounding.

In the west, the rockies are stupendous and I've lived there a short while in and near Calgary. In the north, I've lived a few years in Yellowknife and I can honestly say that the friends I made there are friends for a lifetime and that the country there is awe-inspiring. In the east, I am totally in love with the lakes and forests, never getting enough of them 'year round'.

All in all... to me, Holland now represents a flat little patch compared to Canada. I don't miss living there, only my relatives left behind.

Bottom line... it's become my native land, no matter who says it isn't. This country and it's people have taken over the bigger portion of my heart.

How would those of you who agree with the changes to the national anthem feel about those words being stripped, and changed to something 'more PC' ?

The words were changed before and the words will change again. I'll continue to sing the anthem the way I always have and, because I've a loud voice, I won't be hearing how other people sing it, nor will I care.

O Canada!

Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy hearts command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee

Originally posted by masqua

*holds up hand*

Born in Holland and emigrated to Canada when I was just a youngster. Canada is my adopted land. I joined the Canadian Military and stuck with them for the great training. Never regret a moment of it either. As the years went by, I became a Canadian, loving the wild northlands, enjoying the company of the many people that came into my life. The variations that one finds in Canada are truly astounding.

In the west, the rockies are stupendous and I've lived there a short while in and near Calgary. In the north, I've lived a few years in Yellowknife and I can honestly say that the friends I made there are friends for a lifetime and that the country there is awe-inspiring. In the east, I am totally in love with the lakes and forests, never getting enough of them 'year round'.

All in all... to me, Holland now represents a flat little patch compared to Canada. I don't miss living there, only my relatives left behind.

Bottom line... it's become my native land, no matter who says it isn't. This country and it's people have taken over the bigger portion of my heart.

Thanks once again, Masqua! You are definitely a true Canadian, and shine with pride as such. I hadn't thought of the fact that one could easily say it has become their native land, and you've made some great points!

Kudos once more, and people like you are another factor which adds to my love of being Canadian.

Blame the feminists for thinking "sons" is sexiest not the conservatives.

This story is funny and some of your replies are full of greatness.

Originally posted by purplemonkeydishwasher
I won't fly the flag, and I certainly won't sing a song glorifying the b.s.


THINK!!!!!

Canada's national identity is the pure model for global citizenship. It is our model that will shape the society of tomorrow, not by the models that corporate America has spent half a century in forming.

I say this as a nationalist Canadian. I couldn't care less about my worthless federal government that only cares about Ottawa while we struggle to support them. Everyone I know, numbering in the thousands, all fail to see what power federal government of Canada has over its people since it is truely we the people that make our country.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by purplemonkeydishwasher
I won't fly the flag, and I certainly won't sing a song glorifying the b.s.


THINK!!!!!

Canada's national identity is the pure model for global citizenship. It is our model that will shape the society of tomorrow, not by the models that corporate America has spent half a century in forming.

I say this as a nationalist Canadian. I couldn't care less about my worthless federal government that only cares about Ottawa while we struggle to support them. Everyone I know, numbering in the thousands, all fail to see what power federal government of Canada has over its people since it is truely we the people that make our country.

This is what I tried to explain to that Troll earlier in the thread, but it was apparently too much to understand.

The people are truly what make the country.
Not the Gov.

Edit to add:
I hadn't realized that he had said he would not fly the flag, nor sing the anthem and what not...
If this is true, GET THE FOOK out of this country. You DON'T BELONG.


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I don't think Conservatives or Democrats should be changing anything. If they want to adopt a DIFFERENT national anthem then they should draft a measure to do so. But leave the current one alone, intact.

Originally posted by sos37
I don't think Conservatives or Democrats should be changing anything. If they want to adopt a DIFFERENT national anthem then they should draft a measure to do so. But leave the current one alone, intact.

This is about Canada, dude.

All of this controversy is missing the actual problem with the anthem, namely, that it is a white nationalist anthem.

O CANADA

"Our home and native land" effectively disenfranchises the First Nations and implies that the origin of the White Anglo-Canadian is North America.

"True Patriot Love" is an obvious bit of nationalist loyalty.

"In all thy sons command" refers to sons of God; this is a way of making apartheid seem good and Christly.

"With glowing hearts, we see thee rise, The True North strong and free!" implicit reference to the 'Nordic race' rising to superiority over all other peoples.

"From far and wide, O Canada, we stand on guard for thee" refers to white dominion over a vast landmass, guarded against non-whites. Consider the original name of Canada: the Dominion of Canada; not the Kingdom, or the State, or the Federation, but Dominion. This fits into Christian eschatological fetishism as well, see Dominionism en.wikipedia.org...

"God keep our land, glorious and free" Liberty guaranteed for Good Nordic Christians alone.

Then there is a repetition of the line "O Canada, we stand on guard for thee," emphasizing the role of the individual in maintaining vigilance for the defense of Canadian apartheid.

O Canada,
Our home and native land,
True patriot love,
In all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts,
We see thee rise,
The True North strong and free.
From far and wide,
O Canada,
We stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land,
Glorious and free,
O Canada,
We stand on guard for thee!
We stand on guard for thee.

Can you see it now? It's not so hard to believe. Remember the eugenics programs that operated in Alberta and across the country, sterilising 'undesirables' (usually natives and the handicapped). Remember the state-run schools that abused native children after separating them from their parents, in a concerted effort to erase their culture, if not their race. Remember the Bantustans of South Africa, which follow the model laid down by the reserves of Canada and America. Remember the Indian Act, which separates the natives into a different category of citizenship. Canada was and still is an apartheid state, and this anthem is a celebration of that indeniable fact.