Cops & Judges Caught Using Secret Codes On Tickets

Originally posted by rcwj1975

Originally posted by Nutter

Because if we do do something, then WE are charged with vigilante laws.

Get rid of those laws and I'll go out hunting all the crack heads you want.

But, then again, YOU'd be out of a job if we were allowed to police our own. Funny how it works out that way, eh?

If I show up and your beating on a guy who was trying to rape a woman your getting a handshake...not charged. If you hunt down a guy after you were told he raped someone and have no evidence and kill him or beat him then yes you will be charged...thats common sense.

People tell me all the time how I do nothing but drive around all day, eat donuts, harrass people, etc....and then they say, I could do your job better...well the applications are online and we are hiring so cmon, see first hand the society we live in from my point of view....weird, all those talkin want nothing to do with it when push comes to shove....funny how it works out that way, eh?

Haha yeah, I've done it, sadly I don't like it enough to do it for a living. It was a blast while I was experiencing it, but yeah not forever. But there totally were a lot of donuts.

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I'll take an application and do an internship at your Department... but i have a feeling ur on the bad side of Atlanta... Ill let you keep doing your good job and risk ur life so that people who do not understand your situation criticize you and hate you... and I'll also let you continue to write happy smileys for the majority of people, and frownies for the high risk folks

Originally posted by SmokeandShadow

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by SmokeandShadow

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by SmokeandShadow

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by rcwj1975

 

I think it comes down to how you were brought up. I couldn't imagine being anything else but pleasant to a cop. Even if he is an AH. Especially if he is. He has the ability to make your day even worse if he wants to. Why go that route? It proves nothing but ignorance. And it's caught on the dash cam. So is the crime if I am not mistaken. I have a few cop friends and they tell funny stories about how they were just going to give a warning and the person started flipping out about the deputy sheriff had no jurisdiction in town, or on the highway. One friend said a guy told him he couldn't write him a ticket. He smiled and said "watch this".

Complain about how bad cops are when they write you a ticket, but when they are protecting you from the crackhead trying to rob you, things seem to change a bit.

Yeah, cause cops protect tons of people from thieving crack heads. Thats garbage, every incident I have ever witnessed and have had reach my ears resulted in loss and injury with the cops showed up after the fact. Cops show up after a woman is raped, a child kidnapped, a house ransacked and man murdered, but just in time to bust someone smoking a bowl of selling a bad of weed.

They're doing Gods work alright...

I am not a fan of cops at all, but your statements here are ridiculous and wrong.

Street cops are called and show up after that.

Detectives are proactively out trying solve crimes.

There are various positions within law enforcement, and not all of them are driving around with a starbucks on the dash.

The thing is, though, a cop cant just show up if no crime is committed. They dont have the numbers, not to mention that if they did have the numbers to be on every street corner, thats what they call a police state.

You failed to explain how my statements are ridiculous or wrong. I pointed out a practical truth. You pointed out that there are varieties of functions in law enforcement. I never said there wasn't. I was pointing out how cops are not "protecting us from crack heads robbing people" in someone elses post.

Misunderstanding.

I absolutely did explain how it was ridiculous and wrong.

You see street cops show up only after theya re called, so you assume that is what most or all law enforcement is.

The thing is, you wont see the other side of law enforcement, the side that is behind the scenes solving crimes and catching criminals from a investigation standpoint.

SO let me pose this question to you:

How is it possible to protect someone from a crime that hasnt been committed?

Eh...really? YOU are saying that I am assuming. REALLY now...come on. I don't assume that is what law enforcement is. Some guy in another post, I forget who, said roughly "they complain about cops until they are protecting you from some crack head robbing you". I said that they don't do so BECAUSE they show up after the fact. I never said they should and no way in hell would I want that to happen.

You are still missing the point that there are specific groups in law enforcement that ARE trying to get the crackheads off the streets before they hurt someone, that ARE there to monitor sex offenders, that patrol neighborhoods for break-ins....

I once had a man arrested in my back yard-he hopped the fence running from police and was trying to get in through my back door.

Did they not protect me from him? (Although, they also protected HIM from me, cuz he was VERY close to get a round of buckshot in his chest...)

Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Not true whatsoever. There are plenty of good samaritan laws on the books to protect those who try and help others.

And it isnt vigilantism, unless you are out, actively seeking retribution.

Tell that to the men who have lost in court when a thug comes to rob them and they (the owner) shoots the thug. What happens then?

Pistol-Packing Granny Sued Over Shooting

gothamist.com...

Convicted felon sues party store employees for shooting him during robbery

www.mlive.com...

There are plenty more where those came from.

So, please don't try the "you are allowed because of good samaritan laws" BS because you as well as I know that is one big pile of BS you are trying to load.

You do know you just posted two CIVIL suits, not CRIMINAL cases right? HUGE difference in what your arguing.

Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Not true whatsoever. There are plenty of good samaritan laws on the books to protect those who try and help others.

And it isnt vigilantism, unless you are out, actively seeking retribution.

Tell that to the men who have lost in court when a thug comes to rob them and they (the owner) shoots the thug. What happens then?

Pistol-Packing Granny Sued Over Shooting

gothamist.com...

Convicted felon sues party store employees for shooting him during robbery

www.mlive.com...

There are plenty more where those came from.

So, please don't try the "you are allowed because of good samaritan laws" BS because you as well as I know that is one big pile of BS you are trying to load.

Criminal and civil cases are two different things, I'm afraid that the laws protect you from criminal wrong doing...but not civil. Hope that helps.

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Damn you beat me to it.

But what we both said is true.

Originally posted by Rockstar02
reply to post by fumanchu

 

First of all, with an outlook like that, it's really no wonder you have the mindset that you do with this situation. I can imagine you're one of those people whose proud to stand up to LEO's and act like that a**hole you are.

Second, if the person is simply doing it to draw attention or prolong the situation, I can actually imagine them being arrested. Obstruction, disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, etc. etc. So I'd imagine YOU would rather be jailed and act like a hero than bite your tongue, be cooperative and probably get yourself a break cut.

Third, when you say, "They should not take it upon themselves to make life more difficult for people simply because they do not like their attitude", that can go both ways. If the person is being a prick and thinks the cop pulled him over for no reason or committed no crime, they should not make life more difficult for the officer.

From what I can ascertain from your posts, you're simply a cop-hater. You'll do anything you can to intentionally put them down and seem worse than they are. Yes, there are bad cops out there, just like there are bad accountants, doctors, lawyers, etc. Grow up and learn that cops are just as helpful as you think they are harmful.

People view the police as a part of big brother, the prison system, the corruption problem and backwards laws in this country and probably many others. They are viewed as a tightening vise over people and their freedoms, with the ability to criminalize the truly harmless and as powerless to affect change as they are commissioned with stopping it.

I will not say what I subscribe to and what I don't, just tossing some insight into the outlook.

Originally posted by rcwj1975
People tell me all the time how I do nothing but drive around all day, eat donuts, harrass people, etc....and then they say, I could do your job better...well the applications are online and we are hiring so cmon, see first hand the society we live in from my point of view....weird, all those talkin want nothing to do with it when push comes to shove....funny how it works out that way, eh?

Sorry to get your gun belt in a bunch.

But, this will do it more.

I could be an LEO but my IQ is too high, so they won't hire me.

METRO NEWS BRIEFS: CONNECTICUT; Judge Rules That Police Can Bar High I.Q. Scores

www.nytimes.com...

Originally posted by rcwj1975
You do know you just posted two CIVIL suits, not CRIMINAL cases right? HUGE difference in what your arguing.

Well, you asked why no one does your job for you. I responded. Civil suit or not, that is the reason.

Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Not true whatsoever. There are plenty of good samaritan laws on the books to protect those who try and help others.

And it isnt vigilantism, unless you are out, actively seeking retribution.

Tell that to the men who have lost in court when a thug comes to rob them and they (the owner) shoots the thug. What happens then?

Pistol-Packing Granny Sued Over Shooting

gothamist.com...

Convicted felon sues party store employees for shooting him during robbery

www.mlive.com...

There are plenty more where those came from.

So, please don't try the "you are allowed because of good samaritan laws" BS because you as well as I know that is one big pile of BS you are trying to load.

I'm aware of the stories of the few who are charged for these things. There is more to it that just the headline. Most arent convicted(dont forget, you are arrested because of actions, the court is what decides whether those actions were right or wrong).

There have also been stories of convenience store clerks getting in trouble for shooting robbers. What you generally dont see, is that those clerks were not in life threatening danger, yet reacted with life-threatening action.

You can play the martyr all you want-I am not a cop, I am not a fan of cops-but at some point its looking for a problem, or someone to blame.

Originally posted by Nutter
Sorry to get your gun belt in a bunch.

That actually made me chuckle...

But, this will do it more.

I could be an LEO but my IQ is too high, so they won't hire me.

METRO NEWS BRIEFS: CONNECTICUT; Judge Rules That Police Can Bar High I.Q. Scores

www.nytimes.com...

Damn, if they ever find out my IQ I'm fired....lets not tell anyone, I got a truck payment thats killing me...I need the job!!! lol

Originally posted by Everwatcher33
Criminal and civil cases are two different things, I'm afraid that the laws protect you from criminal wrong doing...but not civil.

Hope that helps.

Let's rehash.

rj asked wy we don't do his job for him.

I responded that we usually get into trouble if we do.

Those cases being civil and not criminal have nothing to do with rj wanting us to do his job for him.

Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by rcwj1975
You do know you just posted two CIVIL suits, not CRIMINAL cases right? HUGE difference in what your arguing.

Well, you asked why no one does your job for you. I responded. Civil suit or not, that is the reason.

I disagree I believe it's probably more apathy than anything. Most people don't want to get "involved" in anything that isn't their business.

Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by rcwj1975
You do know you just posted two CIVIL suits, not CRIMINAL cases right? HUGE difference in what your arguing.

Well, you asked why no one does your job for you. I responded. Civil suit or not, that is the reason.

Except that you used those cases as arguments against action based on vigilante laws......doesnt hold so much water anymore

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by SmokeandShadow

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by SmokeandShadow

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by SmokeandShadow

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by rcwj1975

 

I think it comes down to how you were brought up. I couldn't imagine being anything else but pleasant to a cop. Even if he is an AH. Especially if he is. He has the ability to make your day even worse if he wants to. Why go that route? It proves nothing but ignorance. And it's caught on the dash cam. So is the crime if I am not mistaken. I have a few cop friends and they tell funny stories about how they were just going to give a warning and the person started flipping out about the deputy sheriff had no jurisdiction in town, or on the highway. One friend said a guy told him he couldn't write him a ticket. He smiled and said "watch this".

Complain about how bad cops are when they write you a ticket, but when they are protecting you from the crackhead trying to rob you, things seem to change a bit.

Yeah, cause cops protect tons of people from thieving crack heads. Thats garbage, every incident I have ever witnessed and have had reach my ears resulted in loss and injury with the cops showed up after the fact. Cops show up after a woman is raped, a child kidnapped, a house ransacked and man murdered, but just in time to bust someone smoking a bowl of selling a bad of weed.

They're doing Gods work alright...

I am not a fan of cops at all, but your statements here are ridiculous and wrong.

Street cops are called and show up after that.

Detectives are proactively out trying solve crimes.

There are various positions within law enforcement, and not all of them are driving around with a starbucks on the dash.

The thing is, though, a cop cant just show up if no crime is committed. They dont have the numbers, not to mention that if they did have the numbers to be on every street corner, thats what they call a police state.

You failed to explain how my statements are ridiculous or wrong. I pointed out a practical truth. You pointed out that there are varieties of functions in law enforcement. I never said there wasn't. I was pointing out how cops are not "protecting us from crack heads robbing people" in someone elses post.

Misunderstanding.

I absolutely did explain how it was ridiculous and wrong.

You see street cops show up only after theya re called, so you assume that is what most or all law enforcement is.

The thing is, you wont see the other side of law enforcement, the side that is behind the scenes solving crimes and catching criminals from a investigation standpoint.

SO let me pose this question to you:

How is it possible to protect someone from a crime that hasnt been committed?

Eh...really? YOU are saying that I am assuming. REALLY now...come on. I don't assume that is what law enforcement is. Some guy in another post, I forget who, said roughly "they complain about cops until they are protecting you from some crack head robbing you". I said that they don't do so BECAUSE they show up after the fact. I never said they should and no way in hell would I want that to happen.

You are still missing the point that there are specific groups in law enforcement that ARE trying to get the crackheads off the streets before they hurt someone, that ARE there to monitor sex offenders, that patrol neighborhoods for break-ins....

I once had a man arrested in my back yard-he hopped the fence running from police and was trying to get in through my back door.

Did they not protect me from him? (Although, they also protected HIM from me, cuz he was VERY close to get a round of buckshot in his chest...)

No, I get the point, but that is certainly not what was being discussed (as far as investigators protecting you from thieving crack heads). I know there are criminal investigator catching criminals, but just like you, I would rather protect myself than trust that dispatch will save my life in an emergency. Thats what the other poster was saying...that the guy writing you're tickets will keep you safe from crack heads.

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Yeah but WE as LEO's get sued ALL THE TIME in civil court, so there is no reason other than people really don't want the job I have. They want to second guess it, make judgments, call me names, etc...but never want to come show me or any other LEO how it should be done first hand.

Originally posted by Everwatcher33
I disagree I believe it's probably more apathy than anything. Most people don't want to get "involved" in anything that isn't their business.

I can agree with this to a certain extent.

But, you can not discount what I am saying as a reason why people don't get involved.

reply to post by SmokeandShadow

True true. I'll give you that.

reply to post by Nutter


Yeah Smart cops think too much, Criminals think too little... With that combination cops fail to act in time because criminals are impulsive... Impulsive people are wreckless and the very reason cops are needed. So again... ANOTHER reason to INSTATE the SMILEY SYSTEM.

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No I agree that this country is sue happy. Doctors, lawyers, police, regular citizens trying to help. It has gotten out of hand and something does need to be done about it.