REAL-ID Causing Problems in Florida

REAL-ID Causing Problems in Florida

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Two months ago, REAL-ID went into effect in Florida and many residents are having problems proving their identities to obtain the new driver’s licenses. Florida is one of the few states complying with the law as many states have said that REAL-ID is too expensive to implement and the federal government has extended the deadline several times.

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A disaster in the making. Kafkaesque at best. The security state gone mad. And for the record before this thread is hi-jacked by political trolls, Real-ID dates back to Bush, so this has nothing to do with partisan politics.

The real issue is one of effectiveness and security bureaucracy. Alternatives?

If any of these people are senior citizens, it may be difficult to obtain birth certificates at all. Many have kept a copy of their certificate, but for many different reasons, the original no longer exists. If their copy isn’t certified, they will be turned away.

If you were born at home, it is likely you were never issued a birth certificate either. If you were born in Puerto Rico, the state has said all birth certificates are no longer legal or valid as of July 1, 2010 and Puerto Ricans must obtain new ones. This has led to a lot of confusion that isn’t yet cleared up because most of the information is being passed on by word of mouth.

I truly pity the remaining Holocaust survivors living in Florida. It’s unlikely any of these have a birth certificate or would be able to obtain one. This would apply to naturalized citizens who passed all the federal checks to become a citizen, but don’t have a birth certificate because their country doesn’t issue them.

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The ones that came up with this idea new of these problems and they will make a big deal about all these problems to further the chip they want to put in all of us.

I put my drivers license in the microwave when I got for about 10 seconds...hehe....and then rubed it on a big speaker magnet. Probably didn't do much but I felt better.

This is something to keep our eyes on.

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It was over a year ago but I was denied a fishing license because I sisn't have enough proof of who I was. I had a drivers license copy of bith certificate credit cards , social secruity card and a business license. I couldn't figure out what else they could want. I guess terrorist must of really been after the Florida fish at that time.

Originally posted by Grayelf2009
The ones that came up with this idea new of these problems and they will make a big deal about all these problems to further the chip they want to put in all of us.

I put my drivers license in the microwave when I got for about 10 seconds...hehe....and then rubed it on a big speaker magnet. Probably didn't do much but I felt better.

This is something to keep our eyes on.

star for yousa

Why do you have a "drivers license" at all? Do you chauffer? Are you paid to deliver anything. What is a license for? Have you never heard of "Right to Travel"? Look it up. I do not have a license and do not need one to use the free and public way. It is free and public. Held in common tenancy by the public for use by the public WITHOUT RESTRICTION. What about property rights, your car IS your property isn't it, do you not have a right to use it freely? Just asking.

More BS, micro chip up theirs!! NEVER.

My Florida Driver’s License will be expiring on my Birthday this summer and I have no plans to renew it.

I bought a bicycle a year ago to get around Miami Beach where I live, to save money on gas and insurance but mainly as a form of protest against the local ticketing practices of the local police department that began operating my portion of the bead as a speed/revenue trap when the tax revenues went way down from the real estate/foreclosure crisis.

I am toying with the idea of turning in my social security card, having my Birth Certificate reissued without my name in all capitalized letters and declaring myself a freeman on the land.

It’s gotten past the point of ridiculousness and I am tired of feeding the beast that the government has become.

The poor keep getting poorer, the middle class keeps dwindling and the rich get richer and government intrusion just keeps growing.

I am nearly at/really at the civil disobedience point at this point. I am going to tie myself to common law and just reject all the codes and take my chances in a court of law utilizing common law if they try throwing the codes at me.

It’s gotten to the point we practically have to pay for the air we breathe, the grass we walk on, and are no longer encouraged or allowed to use free speech if it’s critical of the government and thought regulation doesn’t seem far off either.

I don’t have the answers so I think its just time to stop playing there game.

The heck with them if they can’t take a joke!

Originally posted by Grayelf2009
The ones that came up with this idea new of these problems and they will make a big deal about all these problems to further the chip they want to put in all of us.

Thats a scary idea. Maybe if there are enough problems they just might come out with a "sollution". And as you mentioned, we know what the solution would be.

Yeah, I knew this was going to be a major pain and I got mine renewed a few weeks before Christmas. Just walked in, gave them my old license and another ID, and presto a new one.

Something else I love about Florida now. Not sure how it is in other parts of the state, but in Jacksonville they phased out all of the DMV's and their functions have been integrated into the tax collectors offices. Now we have to pay a $5 "convenience fee" despite the fact they're the only places in town that do it.

Aren't you able to just use your Passport?

Since it takes multiple forms of ID to get one?

You would think that a document that allows you entry into the country to prove you are a legal citizen/resident would be enough to satisfy Florida, wouldn't it?

[edit on 1-3-2010 by DJM8507]

reply to post by FSBlueApocalypse


I too currently reside in Jacksonville, Fl. I do not like the system in place, it does feel like a police state yet crime is out of control in some areas. It feels like the legal system here is rigged to get the citzen to pay as much as they can get out of you for any small crime, yet violent criminal are often thrown out I'm moving soon and about to be off the grid completly and will elaborate more when I'm out of here.

So far this hasnt been a problem for me, I do like the idea of putting my id in the microwave.

Originally posted by jrod
reply to post by FSBlueApocalypse

 

I too currently reside in Jacksonville, Fl. I do not like the system in place, it does feel like a police state yet crime is out of control in some areas. It feels like the legal system here is rigged to get the citzen to pay as much as they can get out of you for any small crime, yet violent criminal are often thrown out

With there being no income tax, they indeed try to get the most out of citizens through ridiculous amounts of citations, extremely expensive fines, and numerous other 'costs' and 'registrations' in order to just function in the state.

As for criminals, they let them out so they can commit crimes and are arrested once more, they do it enough times to ensure a life sentence in the Florida Prison System which is highly profitable for the private industries that run much of the prisons on Florida.

I wonder if Florida is the strictest most draconian state in the US?

This Real ID is just proof that the states have no intention of taking on the federal government over state rights.

Politicians taking care of politicians.

Originally posted by JBA2848
It was over a year ago but I was denied a fishing license because I sisn't have enough proof of who I was. I had a drivers license copy of bith certificate credit cards , social secruity card and a business license. I couldn't figure out what else they could want. I guess terrorist must of really been after the Florida fish at that time.

Either that or the fish got together and hired a lobbyist to push for greater protection from predators.

Originally posted by daddio

Why do you have a "drivers license" at all? Do you chauffer? Are you paid to deliver anything. What is a license for? Have you never heard of "Right to Travel"? Look it up. I do not have a license and do not need one to use the free and public way. It is free and public. Held in common tenancy by the public for use by the public WITHOUT RESTRICTION. What about property rights, your car IS your property isn't it, do you not have a right to use it freely? Just asking.

More BS, micro chip up theirs!! NEVER.

The actual concept of a driver's license as proof of competency to drive a motor vehicle is one that I have no problem with. Once a person gets behind the wheel of a car, they have the potential to kill others -- and as one those other, when a car is approaching me at 70mph on a two lane highway, I like the idea that the other driver is not going to kill me. If you are a risk as a driver, you lose you license. If you try to drive without a license, you are a potential hazard to rights of others to expect reasonable safety in public, and so we need deterrents for that. In that sense, a drivers license and the laws around it are about setting up a social agreement so that we can all dom something safely and cooperatively.

HOWEVER, this whole issue has nothing to do with that purpose of a license. The function of the DL now is to serve as an identity document instead of a certification of competency to drive. You might be a perfect driver and have been all your life, but if you were born in Soviet Russia in the 1960 and fled with your parents to the West as a child -- no birth certificate, no license.

If the want a national citizen's registry and national ID system, then call it that instead of slipping it in as a DL.

Hilarious.

My Florida DL recently expired. I was deported from the US about 5 years ago and have lived in several places in Europe since then. Yet not two weeks ago I got a letter in the mail inviting me to renew my licence online and through the mail as a service to American citizens living abroad.

RealID, or RealMess.