The galactic equator

After watching Timeline to 2012, Im wondering if theres any solidity to this galactic equator. When comparing the massive rotation of our milky ways center (a black hole), to a bike tire, it seems plausible that objects passing this plane can be affected.
Imagine a wet tennis ball thats spinning, with the water whipping off of is equator.
How thick is this 'plane'?
Is 12/21/12 the exact day our sun passes through this plane? If so, can this take place within a day? Or is it just a from-earth perspective?
Will our sun be effected from the spinoff of our darkstar? if so, how?
Have we seen other galaxies as they pass through the equator?

What does it all mean?

We of the overarching Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy have finally come down next to, and even with the massively powerful spiral armed equatorial plane of the Milky Way Galaxy.

In our movement through space, our Earth has now fully begun to respond to the more powerful galactic energies and electro-gravitational bias of the massive Milky Way. We have reached the higher energy equatorial disc region of the massive spiral arm. We have now been "adopted" by a new system, a stronger and more powerful system, and we can expect changes on almost every level of energy.

Whatever these changes are, they are all part of the natural birth, death, rebirth and transformation of the cosmos. As our knowledge of the universe grows, we cannot but understand how much we do not understand. Such is life.
www.viewzone.com...

suggest reading the article^

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a good theory is the galactic center sends high freq. ac power....and the sun is sent to blazes from this...emitting dc power at 90 degrees....

That doesn't sound good...Would love to hear michio kaku on this.

reply to post by EarthWanderer


Without bringing any facts (I am going to reference wiki...but that is not facts to many) to the table here, I can tell you I have read previously here (ats) that this event actually started over a decade ago...but I can tell ya from checkin Wiki according to their page on the sun it takes the sun " about 225–250 million years to complete one orbit of the galaxy (a galactic year"- it takes around 1,400 years for the Solar System to travel a distance of 1 light-year, or 8 days to travel 1 AU" en.wikipedia.org...
1 AU is the distance from the Sun to the Earth. So, how thick do you think this bit of space is we are currently traveling through...1 light year or 1 AU?

The only people I have seen promoting the movement through the galactic plane in 2012 are people who are promoting something.

A scientist (astronomer) on ATS about a year ago stated we won't be passing through that plane for about another 20 million years.

I wouldn't worry about it.

As the Mayan calendar ends, it also starts again on the next day, like ours. No big deal. Mayans aren't even upset about it.

the one thing wrong about the 2012 and galactic plane thingy

is that the solar system is several light years above the imaginary plane
on that date.

the alignment one will 'see' is only the Apparent crossing-of-the-galactic equator.

Our Solar System is actually positioned like a dime standing on edge
with the edge itself pointing to the Galaxy Center...

the Solar System standing on its edge , also oscillates in a wave fashion in its orbit...and that combination of the Earth's position, the Solar Systems position, all fall into an apparent alignment that makes us think/feel
we are actually crossing the Galaxy equatorial plane


i would do links but you can just as well

I think the magnitude of cosmic energy will be substantually greater as we head towards the galactic equator. I think of it like a focal point of a magnifying glass. All of the neighboring solar systems and the other Stars at the center will have a effect on us and our Earth. Our geomagnetic field will flip it's poles, the obvious sign of this is our north pole is moving faster away from the true north every year, 40 kms a year that the north pole is moving at now. This polar flip, I think will affect possibly the Earth's rotation and wobble. Which will affect the climate, habitats and other things.

We will be bombarded with more asteroids that will hit Earth more frequently. Erupting Super Volcanoes from the Pole Shift and the start of a iceage are my only concerns from where I live. Other than that we should be okay over here.

reply to post by Xcouncil=wisdom


If you assumed that the galaxies themselves do not orbit around anything, then in theory, it is as thick as the diameter of the galaxies, assuming that the center of the galaxy exerts a force(or curving the space around it) equally, in all directions.

If you assumed that the galaxies orbit around the center of the universe, then it's as thick as how much force the entire mass of the galaxy exerts around it. Anything outside OR inside(between the outer space of the galaxies and the center of the universe) is "undefined."

Again, Wiki is a lame source, but its so easy to get to
en.wikipedia.org...
"Astronomers argue that the galactic equator is an entirely arbitrary line, and can never be precisely determined because it is impossible to say exactly where the Milky Way begins or ends. Jenkins claims he drew his conclusions about the location of the galactic equator from observations taken at above 11,000 feet, which is higher than any of the Maya lived.[37] Furthermore, the precessional alignment of the Sun with any single point is not exclusive to a specific year, but takes place over a 36-year period, corresponding to its diameter. Jenkins himself notes that, even given his determined location for the line of the galactic equator, its most precise convergence with the centre of the Sun already occurred in 1998.[50][51] There is no concrete evidence that the Maya were aware of precession; while some Mayan scholars, such as Barbara MacLeod, have suggested that some Mayan holy dates were timed to precessional cycles, scholarly opinion on the subject is divided.[19] There is also little evidence, archaeological or historical, that the Maya placed any importance on solstices or equinoxes.[19][52] "

"its most precise convergence with the centre of the Sun already occurred in 1998-but takes place over a 36-year period"

Not my words, not an astronomer, but always watching...ya know!

The two dimensions of interest are the sine wave portion of this orbital motion. The Milky Way is essentially very

flat as opposed to spherical like a ball. If you were to draw a line in the exact mid-point of The Milky Way Galaxy, that line would be called the "galactic plane". As you get closer to the galactic plane the density of stars, interstellar dust, and cosmic debris in general, increases. If our sine wave orbital path is relative to the galactic plane (as it is) then the diagram to the left illustrates this path.
survivalcondo.com...

Where are we now on this sine path? They say it takes 225 mill years to revolve around galaxy, But what about the up-down part?

I get different answers while looking, but it appears we are already in it
Waiting for my DNA upgrade

I am not an astronomer, but my question about all this is:

We do not really know the size of our galaxy, or our position in relation to the whole exactly...we can only extrapolate from what we can see from our vantage point...which is very limited and somewhat removed, right?

so to talk about galactic alignment, etc. is just guestimating...right?

correct me if I'm wrong because I'd like to know.

thanks.

I think this could help put into perspective for some:

It is thought that our Sun will take approximately 900 years to cross the Galaxy's visible central region. We may have started crossing the eastern edge about 450 years ago. More precisely, crossing the Galactic ecliptic will take the Sun, measuring half a degree, about 18 years.

Source

Basically, to try to pinpoint a single day for the occurrence of a phenomena that happens once every 35-40 millions years, with 3 million year margin of error, and takes 900 years from start to finish and 18 years to cross the galactic version of a line only half a degree thick, is so completely arbitrary, that you have, statistically, a 0% chance of getting it right.

Thats what i would like to know. The ancients did a damn good job with astronomy and they didnt have satelites and computers(right?)

edit to remove my own post for being completly useless and non-contibutary to this thread.

Oh, I want my DNA upgrade...

Doh! Did it again.

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Exactly, one would need to know the precise extent of our galaxy to hone in on a real equator from probability distribution. So one cannot be sure that it was crossed in 1998. If 1998 was only the entry to the crossing and you assume a 36 year period, half that peroid could place it around 2011, again this is just speculation. But one would expect a noticable effect from the true crossing (such as energy change) rather than the apparent crossing subjected to optical distortions. I think the main error arises from the slight deviations in possible planes one has chosen from to do their calculations, If it was mainstream that a large event occurs on the crossing then we would probably have the time and money spent on getting the exact cross point.

It would be interesting to know if the penomena of the way water and storms spin in a different direction above and below the equator, if this (fractally, or as above so below) carries through to the planets direction of rotation upon the crossing of the true galatic equator. But then why is the period of the sine wave too long of the egypatians who recorded the sun rising from opposite direction twice in their history, could it change direction from other penomena as well.

Ive started watching this vid because somehow Ive missed it, most of the content is all over the web exept for the D. S. Allan and J. B. Delair
about moutain ranges rising or falling 10-25000 feet in a single event, wonder where they got that data.

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Lol the 10:10 post time when you mentioned DNA upgrades

Originally posted by EarthWanderer


Where are we now on this sine path? They say it takes 225 mill years to revolve around galaxy, But what about the up-down part?

we, our sun-earth system, is now North of this Galactic plane which was crossed somewhere around ~3 million years ago (about the Dawn of early hominids like 'Lucy')....
it is only speculated this up-down sine wave is anywhere fom 30-65 million years in duration from crest-to-crest...

so many 26,000 year precessional cycles would be contained in just the period of time the Sun-Earth system is North of the Galactic plane=Galactic Equator


See Link below for the images, including an imagined top view of our position within the Galaxy & the Orion Arm Spur...


+++++
Source;
projectavalon.net...

Part 2. EARTH BOMBARDED WITH GAMMA RAYS...
Part 3. SUPER WAVE, Dr.Paul LaViolette
Part 4. HOW DID DR.PAUL SUCCEEDED TO CONNECT THE DOTS ?...
Part 5. BASIC INPUT ABOUT THE SOLAR STORMS
Part 6. (omit)
The final part 2012 Nexus Event – Unknown Form of Energy comes our way!

i omited the part 6, which has to do with the known hoax, 'crok cirkles' being ET communications


this is a fine display of pics & graphics however... and a great portion of the message
is plausable, but i have found misleading, or unfactual, remade 'facts' in the reply section


i'd rate the page a full 5 rating


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Theres not too much in the video department that does explain the erroneous 'Alignment of 2012'

so it took awhile, but i did find this set of vids, in 2 parts,
the 1st video faily well spell it out that the 'alignment in 2012'
is bascically hooey, and is deliberately confusing so as to make
one's own theoretical 'proof' seem plausable or reasonable/believeable.

the 2nd video tends to be a 'pat-on-the-back' for the authors own
assessment of what 2012 means at heart... i don't[ share his Biblical
based reasoning...

here's the links:

The 2012....Exposed (1 of 2) & (2 of 2)



www.youtube.com...

the important point ,in my eyes of this youtube, is the animated explaination that it is impossible for the Earth-Sun-Galactic Center &/or Galactic plane to be in actual Alignment in year 2012...(or the era from 1998-2016 for that matter)
the Earth-Sun are some number of light-years above the actual Galactic plane and will not physically oscillate down into the rim area of the Galactic plane (being some ~5LY wide) for another 30 million years!
Any visual alignment is only an 'apparent' alignment, we are Light Years
north of any galactic gravitational density or zone of material & gas clouds.



[edit on 28-3-2010 by St Udio]

Originally posted by St Udio
Theres not too much in the video department that does explain the erroneous 'Alignment of 2012'

so it took awhile, but i did find this set of vids, in 2 parts,
the 1st video faily well spell it out that the 'alignment in 2012'
is bascically hooey, and is deliberately confusing so as to make
one's own theoretical 'proof' seem plausable or reasonable/believeable.

the 2nd video tends to be a 'pat-on-the-back' for the authors own
assessment of what 2012 means at heart... i don't[ share his Biblical
based reasoning...

here's the links:

The 2012....Exposed (1 of 2) & (2 of 2)

www.youtube.com...

the important point ,in my eyes of this youtube, is the animated explaination that it is impossible for the Earth-Sun-Galactic Center &/or Galactic plane to be in actual Alignment in year 2012...(or the era from 1998-2016 for that matter)
the Earth-Sun are some number of light-years above the actual Galactic plane and will not physically oscillate down into the rim area of the Galactic plane (being some ~5LY wide) for another 30 million years!
Any visual alignment is only an 'apparent' alignment, we are Light Years
north of any galactic gravitational density or zone of material & gas clouds.

Thank you so much. It is nice to see others finding the same data. When I posted things like this last year I got named disinfo agent. The bottom line is that the galaxy is so massive with no discernable boundries, that pinpointing anything to an exact day, in regards to the center, is ludicrous. We cannot do it with current tech and The Mayans could not do it with string and eyesight. That and the fact that we have been above and steadily rising above the ecliptic.



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