The indisputable rightness of the Jews

reply to post by orkson


I am glad that you are not "done". Why the drama though - i fail to understand. There are gozzilion threads on ATS critisizing Israeli actions. There are threads critisizing Palestinian actions.
Some justified, some not, some with facts some with total lies.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

By the way - who exactly called you an "untermensch"? Are you sure it was not a Nazi?

I used purposedly the word "untermensh"

The "untermensch" syndrome"

In Palestine, untermensch has meant the demolition of thousands of homes without regard for human life. It has meant the dehumanizing conditions by which millions live under, usually in poverty and lacking meaningful education, healthcare, infrastructure, opportunity and future. Israel's treatment of an entire race of people has destroyed the fabric of society and the aspirations of its citizens.
The Untermensch Syndrome has resulted in centuries old olive trees bulldozed for no reason other than to make miserable the lives of the farmers who owned them. It has categorized Palestinian as inferior to Jew, marginalizing millions who are expropriated of their land and homes. Because of the Untermensch Syndrome Palestine has been carved up into dozens of enclaves, separated by walls or fences, imprisoning people in their towns and refugee camps.
Traveling from town to town is virtually impossible. Children have been separated from their schools, university students from their colleges, workers from their jobs, families from each other and farmers from their fields. This has been accomplished by Israel systematically and without remorse, serving no purpose other than to dehumanize and make unlivable the daily lives of millions.

But ... That's OK, isn'it ?

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reply to post by December_Rain


That's 99% right except jews are NOT A RACE BUT A RELIGION you don't hear people calling scientology a "race" they call it a cult .. er... religion sorry tom.....

reply to post by orkson

This has been accomplished by Israel systematically and without remorse, serving no purpose other than to dehumanize and make unlivable the daily lives of millions.

Oh really? As i said - some post with lies....
Drama rocks of course, but facts are its curse. People live and breath, grow food and eat, have kids and go to schools/universities. Both in West bank and Gaza. Funny,probably they do not know about this syndrom you quote. Tell me, how many trees were buldozed today? Who was not allowed to go to school?
One thing is right,Israel "Great wall" was planned by idiots so it cuts some people from their farms. Which is naturally wrong. But it is not done to "dehumanize" , it is done because right hand does not know what left does, and head is in the clouds.
I fail to see

destroyed the fabric of society and the aspirations of its citizens.

here:

Palestinians with a sweet-tooth gathered on Saturday around a giant syrupy cheesecake treat they hoped would set a new Guinness world record in their occupied West Bank city.

www.alarabiya.net...
Must be part of attempt by Israeli to cause genocidal diabetes on mass scale....
Also this:

Economic growth in the West Bank may accelerate to 7 percent this year from 5 percent as Israel eases restrictions, the International Monetary Fund said in a report last month. The lifting of barriers must continue for the expansion to be sustained, the lender said.

www.bloomberg.com...
kind of ruins the drama ,right.
By the way, after check points were taken down to allow this 7 percent growth

An Israeli man has been shot and killed in his car near a Jewish settlement in the north of the West Bank, the Israeli military says.

But it is ok. Part of syndrom ,right. Check points were there not to prevent this but to dehumanize. Works good with mass diabetes.

Enjoy the thread while you can. One was pulled the other day in the middle of reading..about one place that's had enough, Malmo. Thanks for making the evening more tolerable, almost enjoyable!

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

One thing is right,Israel "Great wall" was planned by idiots so it cuts some people from their farms. Which is naturally wrong. But it is not done to "dehumanize" , it is done because right hand does not know what left does, and head is in the clouds.

That's a really poor excuse ...

In fact YOU know why that has been done.

It has been done because Israel knew that this poor solution was ALLOWED to it.

If ever another nation had done that, it wouldn't have been.

Apartheid is forbidden, but to Israel.

Ethnic cleansing is forbidden, but to Israel.

Civilians slaughtering is forbidden, but to Israel.

One could fill pages with such "special rights" ...

reply to post by orkson


First - what apartheid? You want Israel to annex the territories??? Palestinians are not Israeli citizens and they certainly do not want to be Israeli citizens. This wall is Israeli attempt to set future INTERNATIONAL border and it was indeed planned by idiots since Israeli high court several times changed plans of this thing. This might be idiotic/inconsiderate ,but no more "apartheidal" then border between India and Pakistan.
As for ethnic cleansing - this is getting old. There were ethnic cleansing in 1948 war. This is a crime. Both sides did it by the way. Now it is as valid as "apartheid". There are questionable policies concerning house permits in East Jerusalem - but despite this Arab population there is growing faster then the Jewish one.
Civilian slaughter is forbidden - great. I hope you tell this to Hamas too. Just to remind you of something - in Gaza war 1000 plus civilians top were killed. Which is 1000 more then should be, but it is still a drop in the sea of death all round the globe and NOBODY criticised those other hot spots as hard as Israeli actions were criticised. How exactly Israel gets away with it? In Sudan alone 2000 civilians died in 2009. UN security discussed it? There is report on it?
20000 civilians were killed in Sri Lanka in 2009. Nobody cares. You said something about Israel and how it is free to do what it wants?

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


Actually we have these things called maps where you can see what land belongs to which country hell you can even see the wall on google earth and where it cuts into their territory. However in india/pakistan they've been having disputes ever since the state was divided over ghandi.

TLR lrn 2 history

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by orkson

 

First - what apartheid? You want Israel to annex the territories??? Palestinians are not Israeli citizens and they certainly do not want to be Israeli citizens. This wall is Israeli attempt to set future INTERNATIONAL border

then shouldnt the boarder be built within Israeli territory and not that of palestine if that was the case?

the wall is nothing more then an attempt to annax more land
and the above shows that in your reply.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by orkson

 

First - what apartheid? You want Israel to annex the territories???

They already have. They seized large amounts of land in 1967 and have been violating international law by not only systematically removing Arabs from the occupied zone but encouraging Jews to move in. if that weren't enough, land in the West bank is continually being stolen and appropriated for "Settlers." You're looking at the Israeli Sudetenland.

Palestinians are not Israeli citizens and they certainly do not want to be Israeli citizens.

Ironically, it's Israelis who are going to end up as Palestinian citizens, if this conflict goes on much longer; and for what it's worth, a single-state solution is vastly superior to the constant niggling for a two-state that is designed to go nowhere.

This wall is Israeli attempt to set future INTERNATIONAL border and it was indeed planned by idiots since Israeli high court several times changed plans of this thing. This might be idiotic/inconsiderate ,but no more "apartheidal" then border between India and Pakistan.

Israel has an international border; look up the 1948 partition plan. THAT Is Israel's international border. However after the 1948 war where Israel stole Palestinian land as payment for aggression from Syria and egypt, most Arab states accepted the "new" borders - which were again violated in 1967 when israel took more land after launching an attack on Egypt. The Arab states - and vast majority of Palestinians - hold the borders prior to the 1967 war to be the valid ones.

So then why is Israel putting their "international border" damn near through the MIDDLE of what everyone agrees isn't theirs to build through?

As for ethnic cleansing - this is getting old. There were ethnic cleansing in 1948 war. This is a crime. Both sides did it by the way.

No, in fact it most certainly was NOT done by both sides. It was extremely one-sided. And it has continued to the present day - As we speak, Jerusalem is being purged of Arabs, their homes stolen, families evicted, businesses closed down. Within the west bank the same thing is happening as "settlers" invade homes, steal, kill, destroy farm plots, and are aided and abetted by the state of Israel with new demolitions of Arab property to build Jewish-only roads to and from these colonies.

Now it is as valid as "apartheid". There are questionable policies concerning house permits in East Jerusalem - but despite this Arab population there is growing faster then the Jewish one.

Well, good. Having lots of babies doesn't prevent those kids from being tossed out with the rest of their families though, does it?

Civilian slaughter is forbidden - great. I hope you tell this to Hamas too.

Sure. But given how utterly ineffective Hamas is at HURTING, much less killing people, I'd say they're better at this notion than Israel.

Just to remind you of something - in Gaza war 1000 plus civilians top were killed. Which is 1000 more then should be, but it is still a drop in the sea of death all round the globe and NOBODY criticised those other hot spots as hard as Israeli actions were criticised. How exactly Israel gets away with it? In Sudan alone 2000 civilians died in 2009. UN security discussed it? There is report on it?
20000 civilians were killed in Sri Lanka in 2009. Nobody cares. You said something about Israel and how it is free to do what it wants?

Sudan has been winning UN criticism since the 1980's. The Sinhalese government won quite a bit of criticism not only for the civilian deaths but also for the 250,000 in its "detainee camps." What makes Israel special is that you've chosen to ignore the criticism of the other two, in order to strengthen your own BS claims and argument.

Sudan and Sri Lanka have both been hit with sanctions from the US, the EU, and the UN. What has Israel been hit with from these entities?

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reply to post by TheWalkingFox

They already have. They seized large amounts of land in 1967 and have been violating international law by not only systematically removing Arabs from the occupied zone but encouraging Jews to move in. if that weren't enough, land in the West bank is continually being stolen and appropriated for "Settlers." You're looking at the Israeli Sudetenland.

Israel annexed Golan heights - that have nothing to do with Palestinians. Large amounts of land seized in 1967 are not considered Israel by any law, international or Israeli. There is attempt to grab land by settlements, but it is not annexation since some of those settlements will be removed if agreement will be reached. Annexation is not the same. And comparing it to Sudetenland is rediculous.

Ironically, it's Israelis who are going to end up as Palestinian citizens, if this conflict goes on much longer; and for what it's worth, a single-state solution is vastly superior to the constant niggling for a two-state that is designed to go nowhere.

Two state solution is not going through because of refugees issue, both sides cannot agree to that. I doubt that single state is a possibility for more then few months after which fanatics from both sides will start slaughter that will surpass what was before.

Israel has an international border; look up the 1948 partition plan. THAT Is Israel's international border. However after the 1948 war where Israel stole Palestinian land as payment for aggression from Syria and egypt, most Arab states accepted the "new" borders

Funny that you mention that, since 1948 war started because Arabs did not recognize 1948 international borders. And after 1948 not only Israel stole Palestinian land but nobody seems to care. And now there is no way back to 1948 borders ,unless you consider ethnic cleansing.

No, in fact it most certainly was NOT done by both sides. It was extremely one-sided. And it has continued to the present day - As we speak, Jerusalem is being purged of Arabs, their homes stolen, families evicted, businesses closed down. Within the west bank the same thing is happening as "settlers" invade homes, steal, kill, destroy farm plots, and are aided and abetted by the state of Israel with new demolitions of Arab property to build Jewish-only roads to and from these colonies.

It was most certainly done by both sides. I will not bring examples for what Israelis did, since you surely are aware of it. But few examples for ethnic cleansing by Arab side:
Jewish quarter of East Jerusalem.
Gush Katif
Gush Etzion
Of course it is "just" tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands,but to say that it did not exist is wrong. As for Jerusalem being purged of Arabs - this is so rediculuos it is funny. Despite existing descrimination and skewed laws Arab population in East Jerusalem is growing so you are wrong. There were evictions due to Jews buying land or due to land stolen from Jews in 1948 ethnic cleansing by the way (which of course opens issue of land stolen from Palestinians in 1948) but nobody is evicted because they are wrong skin color. If you sell your land and then refuse to move out you will be evicted in your country too.

Sure. But given how utterly ineffective Hamas is at HURTING, much less killing people, I'd say they're better at this notion than Israel.

Having less firepower does not make one better. If Hamas was not "ineffective" but non-violent there will be no cause for death of any civilians.

Sudan and Sri Lanka have both been hit with sanctions from the US, the EU, and the UN. What has Israel been hit with from these entities?

This is valid point, did not know that Sri Lanka is going to be hit by EU sanctions. However not UN nor US responded.

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