The Coffee Party: Wake up Stand up

reply to post by rusethorcain


Quote from the CoffeeParty founder's YouTube video:

"Do you believe that the government can help us address these massive problems that we are facing?"

No I do not, I think governments help create and sustain them in servitude to the Multinational Corporations of this planet.

Let's start a Beer Party, anyone?

[edit on 26-2-2010 by Conspiracy Pianist]

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by iMacFanatic

 

From the definition in the OP:

We recognize that the federal government is not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will,

Expression of our collective will? Then why is Obama still trying to shove Obamacare down our throats in spite of all the polls which show that Americans are opposed to his plan?

What poll are you reading? Most Americans are for affordable health care and they have been for years. What we have now is nothing short of criminal.

reply to post by Conspiracy Pianist


We think alike. Who wouldn't rather be listening to piano and swigging beer? I agree with your statement but where is the harm in trying to do something productive? Keeps us all out of worse trouble we might get in at something like a beer party! lol

reply to post by iMacFanatic


Isn't Ron Paul a Constitutionalist?

reply to post by rusethorcain

What poll are you reading? Most Americans are for affordable health care and they have been for years. What we have now is nothing short of criminal.

Well, let's see....

Wall Street Journal points to a few polls that show that Americans, if given a choice between Obamacare and doing nothing at all about America's healthcare system, they choose nothing at all over Obamacare.

Fox, CNN and Public Policy Polling all confirm each other.

wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com...

and a few more...

The Polls Are Unanimous: Americans Want ObamaCare Like They Want a Raging Case of Herpes...

But Baghdad Bob tells us everyday that we overwhelmingly support ObamaCare, what's a bitter American clinging to his guns and religion supposed to believe?...

(NRO)- The support/opposition split on the health care bill, according to various pollsters:

Rasmussen: 41/56
Newsweek: 40/49
Public Policy Polling: 39/50
Pew: 38/50
Quinnipiac: 35/54
Ipsos/McClatchy: 37/51
NBC/WSJ: 31/46
CNN: 38/58
NPR: 39/55

www.weaselzippers.net...

Obamacare is anything but affordable healthcare.

I think that working on a local level would be most effective in bringing about the changes we need. If we start at the bottom and work our way up the chain of command. That's why I think if we use the Predator Tour as a guideline, we can get more immediate results---and faster.

Resolution not Revolution:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Conspiracy Pianist
No I do not, I think governments help create and sustain them in servitude to the Multinational Corporations of this planet.

I am no big fan of government either and I am a staunch liberal and I agree that they have pawned us to corporations...

but that being said...what group can help? More corporations...the churches...a new government?

Its easy to say no or no I don't like....its harder to help come up with viable solutions.

AND BTW rusethorcain... Ron Paul...he belongs to the GOP (barely) he is not a constitutionalist though, rather he is a libertarian.

[edit on 2/27/2010 by iMacFanatic]

Bickering and partisanship is, unfortunately, a necessity of modern government. If everyone got along things would get done, but they'd be ineffective shells of real policy. Then again, that's closely akin to what happens now anyway. Someone comes up with a good idea but to get it passed has to make so many comprimises that in the end it's all but a useless gesture (i.e. Medicare, the current public healthcare reforms, social security, etc.). That, or it gets twisted and perverted by so many rules and regulations it does almost the opposite of what it was intended for.

The idea of mankind cooperating is a wonderful notion...I just wonder if it's in our nature.

Originally posted by projectvxn
We need to vote constitutional not for some stupid ideology. I don't care about the tea party the coffee party or any other party, I will vote for the constitution every time or not at all. It is not worth it to have congress cooperate on further eroding our rights.

The coffee party can go screw itself.

I concure. this is bad Idea #2,387 And just another attemp to confuse the voters . I'll drink my own coffee...don't need a party.

Originally posted by iMacFanatic
Its easy to say no or no I don't like....its harder to help come up with viable solutions.

So do anything just so we can say we did something? I like the medical ceedo of "first do no harm" a lot better. If you can't see what's really wrong with a patient you don't just start cutting into them hoping something you hack off will solve the problem. Cures applied blindly are usually worse than the original disease. Sometimes the best thing to do is nothing.

And nobody, Democan or Republicrat, is socializing medicine here. They're guaranteeing insurance companies a captive customer base. Even the so-called "public option" uses private insurance companies. It's a corrupt racket in the making. If these companies provided affordable and good policies everyone would want to buy them, people wouldn't be forced to. And don't tell me they can't because they're going broke, I've done work for some of them and they're literally building skyscrapers with all the money they're making.

reply to post by Crito

If you use that logic it will never get any better.

Never having been a member of a political party, I'm not jumping on the bandwagon to join any party, but under the current state of affairs (gridlock), this Coffee Party sounds really great! People have forgotten what true cooperation is, sadly. We need the government to facilitate our desires and it sounds like the Coffee party agrees with that.

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S&F for the OP, good post.

America needs some new parties, the old ones do nothing but polarize the people, and divide the people, even the parties themselves are divided, there is no compromise, you can see it every day. Another thing I am against is politicians make a lifetime career of their "Public Service" position, then they use the position to greedily pad their banks accounts, while all the time their hand is out to the Lobby for "contributions." American politics is a sad state of affairs.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

I agree with you BH (as usual) and have to say that saying that is how it has always been (not true) or that nothing is going to change or why bother are all cop-outs from getting involved some way in making things better.

I am 54 and i have been following politics since I was 15 or 16 and this current mess is the absolute worst I have seen it and if this paralysis doesn't give way soon the whole system is going to break down and no...

for all the faults in the system...

collapse is never a good thing.

reply to post by Crito


We need a viable third party to break the stranglehold democrats and republicans alike have on our government.
For example: The entire justice system needs an overhaul. Let the victimless criminals out. Make room for child rapists and sex offenders who are in a revolving door of justice. This is criminal and does nothing to protect the public.
I am a woman and so this concerns me out of many issues affecting "the people."
And we need term limits. Our elected representative is our voice but since elections are rigged we have no voice.

We need it all. The tea party movement will eventually get sucked into and become part and parcel of this COFFEE PARTY.
Because these are saner people looking for saner solutions.
Anytime you speak witht a gun on your hip you will get more public support by the way. That gun on your hip is called ARMED ROBBERY of an opinion. Everyone will agree with the man with the gun. lol

The thing is the government nor the parties or the corporations are ever going to agree to sit down at a new constitutional convention and rewrite the rules...not unless they are stacked in their favor. That is as plain and obvious as the nose on my face.

Armed uprising...even though the thought gives the hard right a hard-on ain't gonna happen either. And even if it eventually does its not going to come down on their side. If anything the people will end up demanding more, not less. Why? Because we are paying more and more and getting less and less and people are getting sick of it. I think most people have no problem paying taxes if they are getting their monies worth and as it stands they are not.

Not doing anything is not an option either if only because if you say let the whole thing fall apart and not engage or do anything then you are shat out of luck...your voice will not be heard...and why should it. You stood back and washed your hands of the whole affair. Its a cop out. The lazy way out.

The only option I see is to engage repeatedly. If one approach fails try another and keep trying...sooner or later things will get done...perhaps piece meal but it is better than nothing.

Except in times of war or natural disasters, bi-partisanship is a bad idea. Gridlock is a good thing...otherwise we’ll just end up suffering the consequences of a lot of bad legislative bills.

Do you really want legislators thinking up new laws each and every day? That's what they'll be doing (that's what we 'pay' them to do)...we'll end up with more laws than you can shake a stick at (actually, we already have that - we just don't need any more of it).

Still, I think I'll hold out for the beer party (will togas be required)?

It is idiotic to think that paralysis is a good thing.

reply to post by iMacFanatic


www.infowars.com... Nuff said.

reply to post by gaborn415


It is indeed hard for most folks to smell a rat these days, since they've drug us all down into the sewer.