The Gay Agenda -- You Can't Be Serious?

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Originally posted by Bigwhammy

The Gay agenda to redefine marriage and lobby the government to reward a perversion with tax incentives.

Did you miss that part where I said you don't have the right to judge me if your gonna use religion as your stand point?

You didn't answer his statement.

Are homosexuals getting preferrable tax incentives and free government money?

I kind of think it might be true.

Are hetro-sexuals bearing the tax burden while everyone else fornicates?

[edit on 24-2-2010 by In nothing we trust]

Originally posted by randyvs
Well tenth I can't say anytrhing positive here so I will take my leave
in Gracious manner. I bid ado Sir.

Well and classily said. You deserve respect for this tasteful disagreement.

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I personally blame the gay/straight issue on the government more so than religions.
It wasn't until governments got in the business of "licensing" marriage, and then taxing according to marital status, that so much
emphasis was put on one's orientation.

Add to that the idea of doling out benefits, health and other, paid for in part with tax dollars that all citizens pay, regardless of orientations.

That led to homosexuals demanding that they be treated equally when it came to these benefits e.g. health coverage, social security for life partners, etc. and rightly so.

The majority of gay folks that I know want no more to do with religion than religion wants to do with them.
In that respect, fine, fair and equal.

The governments involement in a religious committment (marriage) is the root of the problem, in my opinion.

The majority of the straight people I know have no interest in knowing who is doing what to whom, whether straight or gay.

That being said, for arguments sake, I'd like to point something out.

Just over fifty words into your your O.P. you state:

I'm a gay male, married, have children. I'm a succesfull business man who owns 3 companies, my husband is a pediatrician and we are active members of our community, both politically and volunteer wise.

and well toward the end of your O.P. you then state:

because of all the gays that I know ( and trust me, I know a lot ) none of them want to bother you with their homosexuality.

They want YOU to stop bothering them with THEIR homosexuality. You see it's not us gays who have an issue, it's the ones who want to divide us, and keep us from being informed, healthy and united citizens.

I am quite sure that you could go through every single post I have ever made on ATS, and have no idea as to my sexual orientation.


As to your question about homosexuality and it's impact on me?
No impact, unless you count the crazy parties my neighbors threw, and lack of sleep it caused, during my twenty-ish years living in Chicago.

The God I worship loves heterosexual. bisexual, and homosexuals.

Homosexuality has effected me personally as I have lost several friends to AIDS complications. I was reading about AIDS when many of you were still in diapers. So it is only natural that it has affected me so greatly.

I will never understand why some people think it's their business who I or anyone else sleeps with. In my younger days I would have to say I was more bisexual than heterosexual and that was back in the ice age. It really wasn't an uncommon behaviour. Maybe it was the hippie thing.

There are agendas for everything from Tit Mouse lovers to Ban Chocolate Groups. I say BAH on them all.

As a biker I must say...Live free, ride free. Leave our personal lives personal. What the hell are you thinking? There are starving children in our world and you are worried about who has sex with who. How incredibly ignorant.

Geesh, narrow minded people make me sick. Why can't you marry who you want to and why can't you have the same rights as a heterosexual couple. Get over the stupidity people.

You all can pretend he's wearing a fine suit all you want but you know its a lie. The emperor has no clothes. To write and answer explaining the birds and bees would be to dignify your absurdness. The evidence is obvious to everyone. You really aren't even being sincere by asking. This is the agenda at work "Let's all pretend its normal. and feign incredulity at the opposition" Its not and you know its not.

Good post, agree with everything you said.

Imo everyone should be entiteled to live their lives as they want, as long as they don't harm others in the process. Given that gays don't harm others just by being gay, I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to live as they want...and that includes marriage.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
You all can pretend he's wearing a fine suit all you want but you know its a lie. The emperor has no clothes. To write and answer explaining the birds and bees would be to dignify your absurdness. The evidence is obvious to everyone. You really aren't even being sincere by asking. This is the agenda at work "Let's all pretend its normal. and feign incredulity at the opposition" Its not and you know its not.

So, your argument is:

P1) Homosexual Activity does not produce babies
P2) If it does not boost the human race's population, it is not natural.
C) Homosexual activity is not natural.

Is that right? Or have I misread you? Please, dignify me. I do not know it is "not normal." I know nothing of the sort, and I want to know why you "Know" it.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Originally posted by Bigwhammy

The Gay agenda to redefine marriage and lobby the government to reward a perversion with tax incentives.

Did you miss that part where I said you don't have the right to judge me if your gonna use religion as your stand point?

You didn't answer his statement.

Are homosexuals getting preferrable tax incentives and free government money?

I kind of think it might be true.

Are hetro-sexuals bearing the tax burden while everyone else fornicates?

[edit on 24-2-2010 by In nothing we trust]

No homosexuals don't get a tax incentive.

But hetero couples do? Why is that I wonder? Because they chose to define their relationship legally, in order to gain benefits that the government gives people.

The problem is really that the government has no business defining what marriage is.

It's not an incentive if it's given to EVERYBODY now isn't it? That would be fair and just.

~Keeper

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Let those without sin cast the first stone.

Yes, my God considers sex with same the sex as an abomination.

He also tells me to love all people as myself and that includes all sinners.

I pray and ask forgiveness for my sins and know it is done. It is not for you or anyone else to condemn those that have one sin and not a sin you may have. Yes, you sin. We all sin.

I am so grateful Jesus loves all of us no matter what our sins are and we do sin or we would not be human.

God does not hate me or others for their sins. He hates the sin but loves the sinner.

Originally posted by dizziedame

God does not hate me or others for their sins. He hates the sin but loves the sinner.

The sin is homo-sexual fornication in exchange for power and tax incentives isn't it.

although your post was elegant .. why did you even bother to panda to narrow minded people?

Being gay is old news .. zzzzzzzz :p your not special any more :p

most educated decent people don't care, i certainly don't ..

race is the next big obstacle not being gay.

If you have a human being issue to discuss i am all for it .. but don't waste your time trying to justify to people who will never except, understand or even tolerate due to your rights as a human being to do what the heck you want ( as long as no one gets hurt of course)

I am not Gay , married to a lovely lady with three children.. so what say you sir ? we tackle more serious issues that actually merit an intelligent person such as yourself? instead of wasting valuable grey matter on subjects that frankly if people are not willing to accept .. they have no place in the future society of the planet.

i hope you take this post as a bit tongue in cheek

Christ almighty ... I hate it when the s-front servers go down.
The whole gang magically appears on ATS threads to dish out their hate fix ...
Of course I doubt their server is down, but believing so helps me rationalize what would otherwise be crippling depression stemming from the ignorant and brainwashed mentality of some folks.

What compulsions drive you is not my concern. The creation here will go through phases of right and wrong in sync with the karmic need.
But clearly you are preoccupied by those compulsions and your very post is a promotional effort by it's nature. Typical that you seem to imagine that it isn't. If you wish to live in denial about such things as a "Gay Agenda" you may or in your agenda, you may. The "Gay Agenda" is hardly something "Gays" have created. It is created by the NWO, partly because a bestial nature is common to them and partly because keeping humanity degraded is a form of control. There are many such agendas and homosexuality is anything but the only avenue being used. I wouldn't be surprised if you are a nice person, so what? It's not about being a good person or not.
That seems to be religious confusion or brainwashing you seem to be struggling with. "Why aren't I loved, I'm nice?". Calling some other guy your "Husband" is insane. You get off on that and exuding your filth in front of people which is an effort to degrade them to your level of existence. You've given us and ample demonstration of the nature of the perverted mind.

Your rationals that such and such can not be legal is meaningless. With an adequate decline of society they can return to the gladiators and much worse. As it is, children are being kidnapped by the thousands for pedophilia rings going all the way to the White House. The justice system is almost totally corrupt already. There are plenty of Judges, prosecutors, etc. that have been indicted for pedophilia. You can be the happiest, nicest, kindest, best public servant, best intending, degenerating human on the planet, so what? The promotion of sex is promoting degradation. You have no control of the progression of degeneration that will be used by the NWO. At one time they promote sex as evil to subjugate then they promote the opposite for the same purpose. They day will come when they have gone as far downhill as they can and will start promoting the opposite agenda. In fact, pro and anti gay is integral in their process. One of the reasons to promote is to sucker important in who are then compromised (blackmailed) and controllable. The agenda is never the real purpose. The current "Gay Agenda" is not your agenda, it is the agenda of devil worshipers that promoted an idea that you bought into and by some perverse rational, you believe is noble because you volunteer? So now, you indirectly work for the NWO and it doesn't matter whether you want to exploit children yourself or not. Clearly the sex education in school is the promotion of degeneracy under the guise of "open mindedness". The NWO will use "Gay" or any other subject that facilitates weakening of will of humanity. They are constantly testing the waters to see just what the tolerance temperature is and how best to pursue the next weakening of will. The concept of being "bound by my religion to love everyone" is ludicrous. Tolerance, yes, association, no. Honestly, your like a maggot on a dung heap relishing the filth and wondering why there aren't more gourmets? Your post is full of agenda and I always find it interesting how often threads with agendas are almost immediately followed by posts that applaud how wonderful and righteous they are.

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Waitwaitwait

Did you just say that homosexuality is a tool of the NWO?

And then go on to imply that we are all NWO agents because we are praising this defense of the gay agenda?

This is

This was awesome.

You sir are my paranoia hero.

There is a gay agenda? Man I am the last to know about these things. All of the gay people that I know, and I know quiet a few of them, all have the same idea, as to what all we want: 1) To live with out prejudice. 2) To work and earn our pay like every one else, including paying taxes. 3) Our privacy to do what we so choose in our own homes without people worry about what we are or are not doing in private, and finally 4) The same rights and equal treatment under the law.
When people talk about not letting gay people marry or adopt children, the solution is simple and would end all arguments. For gay marriage, remove all bennifits under the law for those who are married. Means no more tax breaks, no more having to share insurance, or death benifits, no social security stuff, nothing. Once those are gone, then you leave it in the hands of the different churches, no fuss, no muss, out of the political body, and thus it would end all arguments and debates. As far as gay people not being allowed to adopt, well my solution may seem a bit radical, but it would put it equal under the law. I would say that if you are not going to allow for gay people to have children, well then you would have to rewrite the tax codes, that way they would not have to pay for other peoples children, be it schools or medical or anything that would deal with children. And military, can't have gay people in the military, how about we do away with not having to have that part of the tax base from gay people going to that little aspect. Infact, I would say any part of society that the gay people are excluded from, they should not be financially responsible for. After all what would the loss of several million tax payers not having to pay for those services or aspects of society to which they are not excluded. After all, as it stands right now, the government can tax a gay person heavily, but as it stands they are excluded from aspects of the country, making them in short a second class citizen. Think about it, you are paying taxes, helping to support a society, state and country, but can only recieve part of the bennifits of such, how would you feel?

Aaaah BW ... haven't seen you in the forums for a while ... good to see that you are still around ...

The Christian Fundamentalist Agenda to portray a natural aspect of animal sexuality as "A redefinition of marriage and to lobby the government to reward a perversion with tax incentives. To take a sexual attraction disorder and pretend it's normal behaviour." Their agenda is to manipulate the culture to believe that homosexuals should be shunned and denied common rights. Christian Fundamentalism is not about tolerance as the word of Christ teaches. After all they won't tolerate something they disapprove of and refuse to treat others as they themselves want to be treated. Its abhorrent behavior. There's an agenda and this thread is evidence. It's a symptom of a nation in decline.

Education, compassion and tolerance can change this. It doesn't have to have anything to do with Christ. There is no treatment for homosexuality because it is a natural and normal thing. Throw down your cross and follow your heart and your mind.


[edit on 24/2/10 by Horza]

My opinion on this?


Frankly, I know more homosexuals that assume heterosexuals dislike them than I know heterosexuals who give a damn one way or the other.

This very thread is indicative of that. Toss in a few gay-sympathetic non-homosexuals who want to feel better about themselves in a public venue (although I'm sure they wont be pinching any Bruce or Jim on the butt cheek tomorrow)and it's very very clear where the true intolerance is.

As regards any gay agenda. I doubt it, don't worry about it and probably wouldn't notice it if it were the case. Honestly, as a straight man, we have plenty enough to worry about dealing with women(lol) to really care.

(Or as gay character Will on 'Will and Grace' once said:"Women! How do straight guys do it"...)

[edit on 25-2-2010 by Clark Savage Jr.]

The people who don't think there's a Gay Agenda are NOT seeing the bigger picture.

They are thinking "Oh my neighbor is gay and he is nice, so gay people can be nice."

It's NOT about small crap like that.

It's about degrading society as a whole to create a massive gender confused populace that will subvert to MORE CONTROL.

Regardless of how you want to look at it being gay is not normal and it will never be unless you bought into the propaganda.

[edit on 25-2-2010 by Emerald The Paradigm]

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
It's about degrading society as a whole to create a massive gender confused populace that will subvert to MORE CONTROL.
[edit on 25-2-2010 by Emerald The Paradigm]

But agreeing to dominant gender paradigms isn't being controlled?

I really try not to get involved into these types of threads because it always comes down to 'You suck.' 'No, you suck.' 'You're a homophobic fundie.' 'You're a homo.' To infinity.

But if we're to take this thread seriously and if we can be mature, then yes there is an agenda just like almost every group out there has some agenda.

It's late at night for me but there is a book out there published in the 70's (I'll try to find it tomorrow because I'm sure I'll need to back this post up) that outlined what certain homosexual groups wanted to do in order to have homosexuality become a more mainstream and acceptable behavior.

They admitted they were mainly going to use media as their primary method (television, literature, etc., to slowly show homosexuality in a positive light), as well as having still-in-the-closet politicians as another method to slowly program the public on a political level into accepting legislation favorable to the homosexual life style (remember, even mere decades ago, homosexuality was determined to be deviant behavior and not socially acceptable). Then in education and schools by targeting children at a young age concerning positive outlooks at homosexuality.

So basically this group (albeit small) had the plan to slowly work their way in to changing popular perspective into being accepting of homosexuality. Many of these things we can see today like homosexuality being explained to elementary aged children or homosexual characters in television programs, even on children's networks.

Some may think 'So what?' Some may think 'Oh wow.' I don't care. But that is what the published agenda was. I'll try to find it and post it. It's been a while so my memory may be off a bit with the details.

[edit on 2/25/2010 by AshleyD]