ATS website mentioned to me by FBI agent today...ON A TRAFFIC STOP![UPDATE]

Originally posted by DigitalDisaster

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I haven't looked through the whole topic but I can say I'm shocked by the way most ATS members are responding. People here are acting like it's no big deal but think about it- we're accepting this. We've become conditioned to become accepting a little sacrifice of our liberties for our security and now it's gotten to the point where even ATS members are fine with this, like it's no big deal.

I'm ashamed of ATS right now this very moment. People here should know better. It's not about paranoia. It's about liberty and being able to say what you want without being watched. It's freedom which is what I'm concerned about.

[edit on 24-2-2010 by Frankidealist35]

seriously,my freind,if you want to say what you want,without being watched,you should not post it on an internet forum...ever thought about it that way?

as for the OP,great thread! S/F for you

i personaly like the fact that LEOs and other government agencies come to this site for information,it just shows how bright some of the members here realy are

[edit on 28/2/2010 by DigitalDisaster]

The OP is spreading dis-info. He was simply being deceived by the federal agent. Trust me. The Federal Govt does not come on this forum for an education. They come on this forum for intelligence gathering that falls within the scope of their respective mission statement. Do not listen to the OP, he has had the wool pulled over his eyes and is not credible.

Out of curiosity do you ever talk to your fellow feds/officer/"buddies" on the topic of police brutality? If so, what are your thoughts on that subject? What interest me is that you bring up the fact that your a member of ATS and I'm just wondering why would a federal agent have any interest in a site like this? I know that there are interesting threads that get started here on ATS but I start to wonder if federal agencies are trying to find ways to shut down sites like ATS.

reply to post by DagoRed


Oh what it must be like to watch some movies, have some friends in various places, then come on here and talk the way you do. I'll be sure on Tuesday (when I go train with the Marshals and DEA) to let them know that the FBI (according to you) are the most talented group ever created. Highly educated men and women SOOOO good at counter intel and advanced intelligence gathering that only DagoRed knows how it works.....and the rest of us LEO's are peons!!!

Also, when I talk to the FBI agent AGAIN next week concerning A REAL CASE (not some delusion your thinking up) I will also inform him he is a master intel gathering ninja according to you. Maybe he stopped by and saw what you said. I am sure he will be glad to hear you hold the agents on such a pedestal.

P.S. Nothing I have said is "dis-info" as you say....if there is, please in all your wisdom quote anything I said that ISN'T true, or ISN'T the way it really is out here in LE.....please, I will be waiting.

Originally posted by millicake
Out of curiosity do you ever talk to your fellow feds/officer/"buddies" on the topic of police brutality? If so, what are your thoughts on that subject? What interest me is that you bring up the fact that your a member of ATS and I'm just wondering why would a federal agent have any interest in a site like this? I know that there are interesting threads that get started here on ATS but I start to wonder if federal agencies are trying to find ways to shut down sites like ATS.

Sure do. We, like any other agency, have had some bad apples come through and had to deal with them. I am glad to say they no longer work in LE and have been weeded out. There is no place for ACTUAL brutality, but perception is the key. Along with knowing ALL THE FACTS. Does it happen, of course it does. Are there things that happen that many would say is uncalled for, etc...yet they are basing that decision off emotion and NOT off facts or experiance? ALL THE TIME!!!

Again, how people cannot understand that an "agent" just like an "officer" are people. How hard is it for some to wrap their heads around the fact that we like stuff too. I know more than a few officers who question 9/11, who believe in UFO's, believe in GOD, don't believe in GOD, believe there are true conspiracies, etc....so to think a PERSON who happens to have a LE job wouldn't come here is just.... I can't believe that people think all "agents" "feds" "cops" "officers" etc...are not into the same things they are or might be into...

Originally posted by rcwj1975

Originally posted by millicake
Out of curiosity do you ever talk to your fellow feds/officer/"buddies" on the topic of police brutality? If so, what are your thoughts on that subject? What interest me is that you bring up the fact that your a member of ATS and I'm just wondering why would a federal agent have any interest in a site like this? I know that there are interesting threads that get started here on ATS but I start to wonder if federal agencies are trying to find ways to shut down sites like ATS.

Sure do. We, like any other agency, have had some bad apples come through and had to deal with them. I am glad to say they no longer work in LE and have been weeded out. There is no place for ACTUAL brutality, but perception is the key. Along with knowing ALL THE FACTS. Does it happen, of course it does. Are there things that happen that many would say is uncalled for, etc...yet they are basing that decision off emotion and NOT off facts or experiance? ALL THE TIME!!!

Again, how people cannot understand that an "agent" just like an "officer" are people. How hard is it for some to wrap their heads around the fact that we like stuff too. I know more than a few officers who question 9/11, who believe in UFO's, believe in GOD, don't believe in GOD, believe there are true conspiracies, etc....so to think a PERSON who happens to have a LE job wouldn't come here is just....

I can't believe that people think all "agents" "feds" "cops" "officers" etc...are not into the same things they are or might be into...

Thanks for replying to my post. Interesting explanation, I understand that your human just like me and it wont hurt to sit back in your couch and watch a game of football with a bear in your hand and invite a couple of friends. I understand you have interest in life like humans do. I grasp the concept you bring up but what I'm trying to grasp is more of the picture that may not being shown to you nor to your fellow "friend" fed. What I'm trying to say is that were there is good there is evil, and if one good agent is viewing this site for there personal knowledge, then what would an "evil" entity be doing in a site like this or what there intentions may be.

reply to post by millicake


Me and alot of my colleges still to this day listen to Coast to Coast.
Art Bell is still the King, I'll stay up now and listen just because I heard he was hosting that night.
Does that mean we had intentions to SHUT Coast to Coast DOWN????
NO,,, We are People Like You! Well,,,, Sort Of

Originally posted by millicake
What I'm trying to say is that were there is good there is evil, and if one good agent is viewing this site for there personal knowledge, then what would an "evil" entity be doing in a site like this or what there intentions may be.

I will agree there is ALWAYS some dumba@@ somewhere who wants to ruin it for everyone. I have no doubts an agent or official somewhere see's this site and thinks it is the devils works, violates national security, hurts his or her little feelings, etc....but people like that do not concern me. They are usually little nobody's who have nothing to offer ANYONE or ANYTHING and so they gripe about the little stuff, or make mountains out of mole hills.....so IF there is agents like that who visit here...well they are simply SAD SAD individuals.

As for the one I spoke with, I am VERY confident he visits here just like he said, as an agent, and as a guy just like me.

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[edit on 28-2-2010 by Walkswithfish]

Hell,,,, I knew a Politician that visited ATS. It was great.
But I still have the same feelings now about Politician I had then.
Two Terms In Government Service.
One Term Politician.
One Term Federal Prison.

reply to post by Walkswithfish

The truth is most of these people are lurkers for a reason.

Anything they do or say can be held against them during performance reviews and chances at promotion.

They rarely post except when they feel they can post something in such a way, and only to such a point which illustrates that they are company men should those words committed in perpetuity to cyber space ever be used to determine their value for movement up the corporate government ladder.

The truth is that the corporate government’s bonded henchmen are even more enslaved than the slave population they are tasked with overseeing and controlling.

Like most of the other slaves they long to be the best slaves they can be for their masters.

That’s what motivates them personally beyond the additional brainwashing and conditioning they are subjected to in class after class and certification after certification to detach them from their humanity and manipulate them through their vanity.

The truth is that both criminals and jailers are locked inside and the jailers will do a lot more time in the long run!

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to loose. These people all covet something that they are enslaved to.

It is what it is, and that my friend is what it is!

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[edit on 28-2-2010 by Walkswithfish]

Originally posted by Walkswithfish
Just for the hell of it....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I will refer you to the following post

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Walkswithfish

 

The truth is most of these people are lurkers for a reason.

Anything they do or say can be held against them during performance reviews and chances at promotion.

They rarely post except when they feel they can post something in such a way, and only to such a point which illustrates that they are company men should those words committed in perpetuity to cyber space ever be used to determine their value for movement up the corporate government ladder.

Self censored and removed.


[edit on 28-2-2010 by Walkswithfish]

Originally posted by Walkswithfish
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

But man, if they'd only open that door here, I would absolutely take full advantage of it.

This is one of the reasons they may not "open the doors" because there are entities out there with wrong/bad/malevolent intentions and by them not "opening the doors" will not allow any form of weakness to be shown to the public eyes. I have the up-most respect to the benevolent beings that care to not let the public hurt itself.

Originally posted by Walkswithfish
A challenge for your FBI buddy, and any FBI agents that may be here....

Grow a pair! (First requirement)

Then open a discussion thread, provide verifiable credentials for either staff review and verification to the membership, or if you have a big pair, in your opening post for everyone to see and verify.

In your opening post, a brief history of your law enforcement career, interests and hobbies and anything you'd like to add about yourself.

Then take questions from members and remain involved in the discussion.

A safe bet that no FBI agent would do this but, why not make the challenge anyway?

Stop lurking in anonymity! Don't be afraid of us!

I would love to have a public discussion with you guys and gals?

[edit on 28-2-2010 by Walkswithfish]

Do you mind telling me why you deserve such a privledge?

Why should they oust themselves... as a private citizen why dont you tell us a brief history of your jobs, where you lived, family members and the number of women you've been with. (my point? do I have one?) If an officer gives a badge number its the same as relinquishing his personal information. I remember a time when I posted myy email on here and all the mods emailed me and said to please remove it for my own security. The badge an officer wears is like an email, if you know that you can track him. and with quite a few nut jobs on ATS... it wouldn't be wise to do so.

I guess i have another question... Why should anyone have to prove themselves to post on ATS... Lurking? or just Paranoid users?

Please ignore my previous posts and accept my apologies.

I will have to find a better way to handle this in the near future.

[edit on 2/28/2010 by happygolucky]

reply to post by rcwj1975


That sounds like something that can happen in Doraville....lol!

reply to post by DagoRed

I have this feeling that you seem to think ivy league graduates are something of a book worm who isn't capable of handling a wife beater or a passed out alcoholic on the sidewalk. The problems you face are very minor in comparison to the problems that an intelligence analyst or federal agent has to deal with. You pick up the # around town. Know you're place.

If I may interject:

A BIG LOL! There is not always a great big difference in the intelligence gathering of a federal agent and a patrol officer/detective. It all depends on the crime, my friend.

What I do know is there's a large population of FBI agents who have inflated perceptions of themselves, yet couldn't investigate their way out of a paper bag, despite their ivy league education.

Which should we discuss first, the cases they've completely screwed while using their keen "investigative skills" (Sund/Peluso/Armstrong murders in Yosemite National Park come to mind), or should we we discuss some of the crimes handed to them on a silver platter which they simply bury and ignore, such as the criminal activities surrounding the recent swine flu hoax? When we're done with that, we can discuss how many of these "ivy leaguers" have been complicit in some of the more famous crimes that have gone strangely uninvestigated and/or unsolved (9/11, JFK assassination).

Of course there are those who have done good work within these agencies, but there is too much bad history behind them to be making proclamations that they are some highly intelligent life form that inhabits the criminal justice system. Maybe I'll start seeing them in a more favorable light when they start doing their job and expose the crimes being committed in front of their very noses by our own government officials.

hi spooks! (i love saying that!)
it's nice to know that spooks are people, too. i've always known, but here's a chance to yak about it over a beer.
i have always assumed that everything i write one the web will be monitored. it's called a "search engine", lol! i heard about programs like carnivore and omnivore and echelon like 12 years ago. i always HOPE spooks read what i write. the "bad" ones can be scared that little brother watches back, and the "good" ones can hopefully find some comfort that they are not alone.
concerning 9/11, for example, i don't expect that a lot of LEOs have a great deal of physics knowledge, so, i always like to think that when something that is obvious to a scientific mind becomes available to the mind of a spook, the spook will write it down on his little notepad, and adjust his theory of whodunnit accordingly. things like transfer of momentum and the rate of acceleration due to gravity.

on that note, how come no one is being held responsible for the criminal act of destroying evidence and disturbing the crime scene's of 911? i know this is not a 911 thread, but i suspect there are a few experts here on this thread regarding these laws.
and to perhaps put it more on topic, the law enforcement people that ARE reading these threads must have noticed that there are cover ups of crimes at the highest levels. so, what do you do when you know people in your agency are turning a blind eye to the biggest crimes?
the importation of coc aine by the CIA using CIA planes comes to mind as another incident. who went to jail for that?
or the anthrax mailings.
the franklin cover up?
how is it that nothing can be done? is it a matter of "brotherhood"? ie. the us vs. them mentality taken too far? or, a matter of compartmentalisation and stonewalls? maybe a little from column A, and a little from column B?