Reality exists within Virtual Reality

Originally posted by pazcat
You are not in a black hole end of.

Huh? The burden of proof is on you, as I said.

I could continue this forever but i grow weary because you fail to bring anything of substance, why you don't feel that is necessary is anybody's guess. But it is.

Forever? You mean you believe in infinite life and no death? Don't people claim that the Big Bang has a start? And, an end? I don't have to prove those things, you do.

I merely claimed it is all virtual, except life.

Originally posted by Ramadwarf Philes
Yes, so time doesn't exist, it's something that we invented to organise things.

I can agree with that, except that logic organization of light itself, with the facts of mainstream science, is enough to create time itself. I won't digress into a share synchronization of such created time, yet easier to be thankful for the mere sense of ordinary time. That sense alone seems to make the perfect gift for those that can do.... you know.

Originally posted by ForAiur
No one really knows how an object moving at the speed of light would appear at the speed of light because we don't have any way of travelling at the speed of light.

Why deny anybody the freedom to actually know this? That basis on undeniable truth to say "no one really knows..."

How that object appears depends on the relativity of the observer and the observed.

Someone who is in a blackhole, where "time stands still", can perfectly see an object that travels faster than the speed of light, where also "time stands still," as there is nothing in between to prevent it.

Originally posted by dzonatas
Someone who is in a blackhole, where "time stands still", can perfectly see an object that travels faster than the speed of light, where also "time stands still," as there is nothing in between to prevent it.

How do you know "time stands still" in a blackhole and/or at ftl travel?

You guys are funny...always this matrix Storys.

The main problem is:
you have a set of sensors
you have a brain
you have fantasy
you have experiences

Put this stuff together and you have a program that creates reality in your brain - the feeling of existence. Nobody can know the "reality" - because it's a kind of converted - through our brain. And never forget 90% of the data that never reaches "us". The next thing is "my world" - "your world". Two Worlds, two matrixes. My red is not your red......let it be

Originally posted by ForAiur

Originally posted by dzonatas
Someone who is in a blackhole, where "time stands still", can perfectly see an object that travels faster than the speed of light, where also "time stands still," as there is nothing in between to prevent it.

How do you know "time stands still" in a blackhole and/or at ftl travel?

The image I pasted in the thread states that.

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I have only merely taken the position in debate that it does and made it my opinion based on such position.

I didn't deny time as if time doesn't exist at all because I stated it could be the last thing we created. If we created time, we can destroy time, therefore anything that required time to exist instantly becomes nothing.

reply to post by cushycrux


Two worlds, each of us in our own world.

We that are fortunate to have their own will experience reality on our own will. Some of us give free will to those think they are unfortunate. As we give away our fortunate life, together we all become a fortune to tell.

Originally posted by dzonatas

Huh? The burden of proof is on you, as I said.

Forever? You mean you believe in infinite life and no death? Don't people claim that the Big Bang has a start? And, an end? I don't have to prove those things, you do.

I merely claimed it is all virtual, except life.

Firstly, it is not on me. I am not the one saying this it is you. You repeatedly ignore any request for you to provide something which you cannot because it is the fantasy of a deluded mind.

Secondly, you have already proved you do not exist in a black hole just by being here alone. Everybody here can quite clearly see that.

Don't even pretend that you understand the concept of infinity as you don't. Nobody can claim they do. Anything else and you are a liar.
Of course you have to provide evidence, stop being thick.

I call your attention to the post on this page from our site owner Skeptic Overlord and alsothis thread. For some reason they seem relevant here.

Feel free to carry on, but beware the hounds are gathering.
Enjoy

[edit on 26-2-2010 by pazcat]

Originally posted by pazcat
Firstly, it is not on me.

Yes, it is on you. I provided my side of the debate it is on you to provide your side of the debate.

You repeatedly ignore any request for you to provide something which you cannot because it is the fantasy of a deluded mind.

All you have provided is insults.

You have already proved you do not exist in a black hole just by being here alone. Everybody here can quite clearly see that.

The opinion is about reality exist with virtual reality. One must take the position as if they exist in a black hole to even debate about it. That is simple scientific debate that you obviously are incapable of being able to understand.

Don't even pretend that you understand the concept of infinity as you don't. Nobody can claim they do.

That would be undeniable truth to claim infinite doesn't exist because you don't understand it. An undeniable truth is a scientific fallacy that you seem hung up on and can't get over.

Anything else and you are a liar.

If you don't understand infinity and can't even take the position as if being in a black hole, you would never ever know the truth in order to determine who is a liar.

Of course you have to provide evidence, stop being thick.

Your tactics are no different then those that follow Goldwin's Law to derail a topic: Conscience conspiracy against metaphysics.

"Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content."
-Conan the Barbarian

In a virtual reality, it is real to those who are also virtual.