A Problem with Time Travel

reply to post by Signals


Sure signals. I'm not an astrophysicist, but ill try.

When they say earth, and the galaxy are traveling at X miles per hour ...... it is, .... and yet it isnt.

this movement is caused by space still expanding from the big bang. so earth is not moving through space, .... earth AND space are traveling together. so when you look around from earth, we do not appear to be moving at all.

its like earth is a toy boat, .... traveling on a perpetual wave across an ocean.

if you were to look around from the boats perspective, ... the wave around you remains unchanged, and all you see is ocean, ..... but the wave you are on is in fact traveling very quickly, ... without a reference point, that would imply " motion".

interesting problem.

i dont believe in time travel as such, more that something like dimensional (or multi time line) travel would be used as "time travel" if ever something like that were to be invented (which i doubt, but its a topic i like thing about).

the reason for my thinking is that time paradoxes just couldnt happen, you could easily go back and kill your own father and not disapear into nothing, as in the whole history of us being on this planet i dont think its every been scientificly or anecdotaly reported that anything made up of any sort of matter had ever just vanished in front of their eyes, if it was possible someone would have noticed it... because of that someone could not just vanish from existance because they were killed by someone traveling in time.

i believe, if it were to ever be that "time travel" did exist, that it would be that multi demensional version, where rather than actualy traveling in your time you travel to a demension where that time you want to traveling to is happening, and what ever happens in that demension of time just effects that and that only, not any others such as the one someone would travel from . . and this is all possible due to the universe and whatevers after its infinate possibilitys.

Time travel doesnt work that way-

Originally posted by Lasheic
Memories traveling at the speed of light?

No. It's recalled in an instant at the speed of light. The instance is a time unit.

A conscious focus can "travel" to the memory.

Originally posted by JIMC5499
A few of us were sitting in a club last Saturday afternoon drinking some beer, when someone on the television mentioned time travel. We started talking about the subject and somebody mentioned something that I had never considered.

As everybody knows, the Earth orbits the Sun and the entire solar system moves through the galaxy. If you were to build a working time machine and go back one hundred years, you would find yourself floating in space, because the Earth hadn't got here yet. In order for time travel to work the way people think it would work, the time traveller would have to not only be able to travel through time, he would also have to have a way of travelling through space to where the Earth was at.

Try to look a time like a river. Imagine that a man decides to build a boat that travels backwards up the river, and he travels for one day. He will find himself at a point in time where the river he knew once was. He wasn't sitting in the sand or in the middle of a traffic circle somewhere. It's the same with time travel. If you went back in time you would find yourself at the point where the place you are at was at that time.

In the movie "Time Machine" the old version. When he realizes that he is trapped inside the Morlock fortress, he travels back to his own time and after collecting some books, he pulls his machine 50 feet into his front yard and zips back to the future where he finds himself fifty feet outside of the Morlock fortress doors.

At whatever spot in the universe you happen to be when you travel through time, you will follow the river of that place back as far as you wish to go.

I have posted a number of such time phenomena explanations on ATS regarding the time space phenomena you describe. I ask that you consider what I have to say to better understand the subject matter called “Time Travel.”

What I have to say has to be understood by first taking in some important technical background data that will allow you to better understand “why” I would even state what I am about to discuss.

While I could post all the links and make it easy for you as in some methodical posting with all kinds of links and pictures and quotes from the original sources, but I don’t feel anyone has to hold your hand in seeking out information, videos or online sources that will expand this topic into a big picture that you will need to understand in order to grasp what may be going on and why it is happening in the first place.

You will need to Google and get familiar with two key players -witnesses: Dr. Dan Burisch, and Andrew D. Basiago, Attorney at Law. These two federal witnesses will refer to secret technology called “The Cube” and “Looking Glass Technology”. Spend some time getting familiar with Looking Glass because it is the basis for what is causing phenomenal time anomalies in our present time line.

I have my own governmental background and experiences to refer to regarding the “Looking Glass technology“ but it is important for you or anyone else to begin where the conspiracy begins. Since it is the technology that allows for the crimes that follow, then it should be the basis for understanding any time travel subject matter.

If you begin your Google search with Andrew D. Basiago you will find a series of You-Tube videos that will help you become familiar with who this man is and what he has been disclosing in a series of lengthy interviews and online web pages discussing time travel and Star-gates.

Take some time and view the videos. Pay attention to his discussions and remarks about Looking Glass being abused by those that currently possess or control the technology to commit time crimes. It will be key to why I believe time appears to be malfunctioning.

While I can not force you or anyone to do the research necessary to broaden thoughts on the subject of Time Travel and its implications for a society kept ignorant and technologically backwards, I can emphasize that if you do not do proper research then you will be exposed to many false and deceptive disinformation agents telling you such things can not possibly exist.

Mr. Basiago will with his own words remark that the Looking Glass technology has been abused repeatedly by those that have used it to see future time lines and then use that knowledge of the future to alter the present. Yes, I know it gets a bit confusing at times but do try to keep up. It will be worth it to begin grasping what may be going on and why because the misuse of Time Travel technologies is currently out of control and being abused in ways that many would have difficulty in comprehending or understanding the motivation behind such time travel abuse.

The Looking Glass technology has according to Mr. Basiago has been used to select the past presidents of the USA beginning with Carter, Reagan, George H. Bush Sr., then Clinton, then Bush Jr. and now with Obama. Bear in mind that these presidents were never supposed to be president of the USA but because the controllers of the technology began using it to cheat in affect to place their own candidates in the presidency time line of the future, they began changing our initial time line in the present to affect the changes needed to support a future time line that has been selected by those that abuse such technology.

Obama is at present a hand selected and chosen puppet of the elite, prepped by the CIA since late 1979 to sit in the presidency. Obama’s whole mysterious past is due in part because the CIA has been grooming Obama since the late 70’s if not the early 80‘s to begin creating all the infrastructure and support groups necessary to win the presidency of the future we just experienced.

The difficulty that Obama is experiencing is the lack of attention given by those that began altering the time line and were only concerned with what it would take to place Obama in the presidency in order to pursue agendas not known to the public. Since they cheated to get him elected, they did not create the whole world man necessary to affect the changes desired. As such, Obama is a failed presidency and probably knows he only has this one chance to affect the changes desired by his CIA handlers.

His preparation for the presidency began further in the past than most realize and the only way that could have been accomplished is with secret technology that allowed those within the hierarchy of the CIA to create the Obama puppet we have come to know. His secrecy with all his personal records and school records must be kept hidden because it would begin to prove that Obama has been an agent of the CIA for quite some time as an agent of the CIA.

The immigration issue is known to the CIA and as usual, the CIA uses agents that are not citizens because only in such a way could the CIA claim or state that Obama is not an agent of the CIA because to be an official agent requires citizenship. While his marriage to Michelle gives him citizenship, it is his CIA connections that are being kept hidden. This is how the CIA wants it and it is how it is for purposes that cover a large number of time travel abuse reasons.

Anyway, all of the time alterations have affected our current time line and the time slips you and other experience are in part caused by this time manipulation of our past. There are also serious rumors that the Looking Glass technology has been used to identify future witnesses to future criminal investigations and by knowing who the key witnesses are in the future, they are killed in the present to prevent them from being witnesses in the future.

Could this be why there are so many reports of dead scientist, biologist, DNA experts, all types of doctoral experts and academic types that end up dead for no apparent reason? Could that Cheney assassination team been a killer time travel team used to kill those that would threaten the elite in the future? The possibilities are endless but they all stem from abuse of the secret technology called “Looking Glass“.

Good luck and thanks for the posting.

reply to post by IntastellaBurst

When they say earth, and the galaxy are traveling at X miles per hour ...... it is, .... and yet it isnt. this movement is caused by space still expanding from the big bang.

Partially. The universe is expanding at a constant rate everywhere. That we see progressively further galaxies becoming more and more redshifted is merely because there is more space to expand between us and those furthest galaxies than there is between the Milky Way and our neighbor, Andromeda.

But that's not the whole story, and movement through space is possible without relying on it's expansion for transport. After all, if that were the whole story - the distribution of energy would have remained homogeneous with no gradients or flow, and time would speed up into infinity. It's these energy gradients moving through space relative to other gradients that gives us what we recognize as time. Time is merely the flow of energy through space in relation to other energy gradients. The slower you go through space, the faster time passes... and conversely... the faster you go through space, the slower time passes. Light is observed to be the fastest speed at which energy can flow through space in relation to other energy gradients because it has no mass. At the speed of light, time stops.

So we HAVE to be moving through space regardless of the rate of expansion between us and some other point.... or else there would be no time, change in energy distributions, and we would not exist. Even if we didn't move, our bodies are constantly redistributing and transforming energy as it flows in and out of us. There are no molecules in your body today that were there seven year ago, and no molecule in you now will be there seven years from now. Even those cells which do not regenerate still consume nutrients, repair and replenish themselves, and expel waste. We are fluid vortexes of frozen energy flows which have condensed in this moment of space and time and configuration to a form capable of recognizing itself - and then collapses, dissipating into the local environment as though it never were.

Beyond that, however, we also see energy condensing into other forms such as stars, nebula, planets, galaxies, galaxy clusters... none of which could have existed without the movement of energy inbalances radiating through space seeking equilibrium. Our galaxies current velocity through space relative to other galaxies is (I think,) a result of gravitational forces drawing the first simple hydrogen atoms together until they lit the first stars, collapsed, re-condensed with a mixture of heavier forged by the fusion of those first stars. These more stable second generation stars too died, fantastically in times in violent supernova where even heavier elements were forged. These ebbs and flows of matter drawing together, converting, and then violently shearing apart in titanic implosions of energy out across space yet again. I think the supermassive black holes found at the center of our galaxies are the remnants of these ancient initial forges.

I *think* I recall reading somewhere that using the Microwave Background Radiation map, the Milky Way's velocity through space was estimated to be about 600,000km/s. Though I don't recall what else was used as a reference frame.

Michio Kaku was talking about time travel a fer weeks back on Coasttocoastam and he was saying time travel back was theoretically possible but traveling forward probably was not.

If I remember what he was saying it is basically as the planet speeds through the universe it drags space/time around behind it.

Like leaving a wake with a boat.

This gives us a trail like leaving cookie crumbs to follow back to a certain point.

We are still connected in a sense with the past.

Ever notice people always have past life experiences but not future life experiences?

Time travel to the future would be like trying to track a person by walking ahead of them.You have no idea what path they are going to go down.

Once you go back in to the past you can follow the "wake/crumb" back to the planets present position.

Well I have some very interesting info regarding time travel. Project Aquarius ring any bells? Project Looking Glass? Just curious if this had been shown before on here...I did look at a bunch of threads containing info on this subject but none of them had these pictures.

These are pictures depicting the set up of project looking glass? This is the governments attempt at time travel? The images were created by a Dan Burisch (employee that worked at S4).









Link to the detailed information:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dan_burisch/esp_dan_burisch_18.htm


What do you all think?

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Einstein's theory was based heavily on the Lorentz theorem, and based on that theorem, neither time nor space has a direction (as in forward or backward which might be represented as positive and negative values). As Einstein explains, even location is nothing but a relative position in a conceptual framework. If Einstein's theory holds then you can't go back in time even relatively, as you can't get a real negative number from squaring a number. Time and space can shrink and expand but it is all the same blob of a continuum (when time is involved it is just the relative rate of change that is impacted - not anything to do with direction i.e. I will never come back from a trip before I left). So there is no past or future (except as imaginary constructs - often very imaginary) and everything is now. To me that means that the very concept of time having some kind of direction is fallacious. We live in a real universe and I am glad or I might start falling up. I don't believe I am going forward in time, but that I am just in it.

Boy that was close! I was just about to test out my time machine when something told me to check for an ATS thread. Wheeew! Yes, many contradictions to the idea of time travel that hinge on the idea that "time" is a part of nature.

Originally posted by dzonatas

Originally posted by Lasheic
Memories traveling at the speed of light?

No. It's recalled in an instant at the speed of light. The instance is a time unit.

A conscious focus can "travel" to the memory.

*sigh*... this is why I don't get into arguments with Bill Cosby. Gibberish may sound good when you say it, but it doesn't actually transfer any useful information. I do miss the pudding pops though.

Even among the neurons with the most rapidly spiking frequency, such as those involved in generating visual perception, only operate at about the 100Hz range. By contrast, the new Intel Corei7 Bloomfield 45nm processor has an operating speed of 3.06Ghz. Yet the brain is still several orders of magnitude more powerful than even our most advanced computer processors. The lack of raw speed is more than compensated by networks of distributed parallel processing. The Bloomfield is only a 2-dimensional silicon wafer which the transistors are placed, and it has about 781,000,000 of these transistors. The human brain is a three dimensional structure consisting of about 100,000,000,000 Neurons that branch out to form synaptic connections with neighboring neurons. Current estimates put the number of average synaptic connection in the brain is on the order of 100 to 500 trillion.

100hz vs. 3,006,000,000hz.
100,000,000,000,000 synapse vs. 781,000,000 transistors.

The speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second. The typical gap junction between electrical synapse is on the order of about 0.000000002 meters.

You do the math. And don't forget that the speed at which electrochemical discharges arc the span of the junction channels is not the same as the frequency those neurons are capable of firing. Analogy: When I hit the "Reply" button at the end of this post, this message will be uploaded to the ATS servers in less than a second. Yet, I could not write this response in the same amount of time.



[edit on 25-2-2010 by Lasheic]

reply to post by JIMC5499


its true

but we can time travel to the future without any thing out of extraordinary

the problem with time traveling back is that, well, grandfather paradox

reply to post by JIMC5499


Sorry, I am posting in 2 threads about this. I will make it quick though.

A time machine is consisted of Time-Space inversion, where Space-time travel is possible. Coordinating locations does not take place because you are travelig at the exact inversion of the original.

Thanks: ~Cosmic

[edit on 25-2-2010 by Cosmicdjinn]

reply to post by Oneolddude


what???????? are u nuts, send me the link where u read this

its already proven that time travel to the future is possible

and if you stop to think, everyday we time travel to the future ... but really, we already did it to some particles

reply to post by Faiol


Read your Government conspiracy hnadbook, lol. I thought we all understood this allready? cheers!

Originally posted by anotherdad
reply to post by JIMC5499

 

But, i find it funny that he claimed you could only travel back in time but not forward. I.E 2010 to 1950 then back to that day in 2010. But not 2010 to 2011.

That guy was way off,... I'm traveling forward in time right now. I just wish I had more control over the speed! ;P

Good point though, it's amazing what comes out of a few beers. You would have to compensate for any spatial changes when time traveling or risk getting lost real quick.

reply to post by slane69


Yes, although in direct inversion of time-space, it is still possible to travel in space to a place in a time where you could be in danger. Example in a mountain, waterfall, a tree... the space would skip, and you would end up all in one tme but possibly seperate pieces or inside of something. Which is why eerything is mapped out before hand: what time, what place, which plates shift and how much, whether patterns, landmarks, city popultion, ect.

Eh.. This is old hat. We have solved this in the future
A'la Titor's VGL (variable gravity lock). Pamela of the Titor saga asked him this very same question.

Damn!!! I wasn't aware that there were so many time travel experts out there. All of the problems concerning time travel appear to be solved, yet with the exception of ReelView, I don't see any time machines zipping around out there.

ReelView, please let us know how your test turns out. I got a few events I'd like to check out and I figure that you owe me one.