The Catholic Amendments to the Constitution of the United States

The Catholics have taken over! Say goodbye to your religious liberties and freedoms, the Catholic faith is the ONLY faith recognized by the United States government. Protestants must hide in their catacombs, gays must be sent to the re-education centers to be "straitened out" and atheists to the gallows. Anyone who doesn't like it can go to hell!

BWOO HA HA HA HAH!



OK FortAnthem, time to come back down to reality.

The following were created by Paul Blanshard, an anti-catholic activist, in order to outline what would become of the vaunted American Democracy if the Catholics were to gain political power.

I'll have to say, being a Catholic myself, this sounds like the outline for paradise on earth, although I'm sure it sounds more like hell to a lot of you out there.

Christian Commonwealth Amendment

1. The United States (are) a Catholic Republic, and the Catholic Apostolic and Roman religion is the sole religion of the nation.
   
2. The authority of the Roman Catholic Church is the most exalted of all authorities: nor can it be looked upon as inferior to the power of the United States government, or in any manner dependent upon it, since the Catholic Church as such is a sovereign power.
   
3. Priests and members of religious orders of the Roman catholic Church who violate the law are to be tried by an ecclesiastical court of the Roman Catholic Church, and may, only with the consent of the competent Catholic authority, be tried by the courts of the United States.
   
4. Apostate priests or those incurring the censure of the Roman Catholic Church cannot be employed in any teaching post or any office or employment in which they have immediate contact with the public.
   
5. Non-Catholic faiths are to be tolerated, but public ceremonies and manifestations other than those of the Roman Catholic religion will not be permitted.
   
6. The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.
   
   
   Christian Education Amendment
   
   
   
   1. American religious education belongs pre-eminently to the Roman Catholic Church, by means of a double title in the supernatural order, conferred exclusively upon her by God Himself.
      
   2. The Roman Catholic Church has the inalienable right to supervise the entire education of her children in all educational institutions in the United States, public or private, not merely in regard to the religious instruction given in such institutions, but in regard to every other branch of learning and every regulation in so far as religion and morality are concerned.
      
   3. Compulsory education in public schools exclusively shall be unlawful in any state of the union.
      
   4. It shall be unlawful for any neutral or non-Catholic school to enroll any Catholic child without permission of the Church.
      
   5. Since neutral schools are contrary to the fundamental principals of education, public schools in the United States are lawful only when both religious instruction and every other subject taught are permeated with Catholic piety.
      
   6. The governments of the United States and of the States are permitted to operate their own schools for military and civic training without supervision by the Roman Catholic Church, provided they do not injure the rights of said Church, and provided that only the Roman Catholic Church shall have the power to impart religious instruction in such schools.
      
   7. With due regard to special circumstances, co-education shall be unlawful in any educational institution in the United States whose students have attained the age of adolescence.
      
   8. The government of the United States and of the States shall encourage and assist the Roman Catholic Church by appropriate measures in the exercise of the Church's supreme mission as educator.
      
      
      Christian Family Amendment
      
      
      
      1. The government of the United States, desirous of restoring the institution of matrimony, which is the basis of the family, that dignity conformable to the traditions of it's people, assigns as civil effects of the sacrament of matrimony all that is assigned to it by the Canon Law of the Roman Catholic Church.
         
      2. No matrimonial contract in the United States that involves a Catholic can be valid unless it is in accordance with the Canon Law of the Catholic Church.
         
      3. Marriages of non-Catholics are subject to civil authority of the State, but all civil laws that contradict the Canon Law of the Roman Catholic Church are hereby declared null and void.
         
      4. All marriages are indissoluble, and the divorce of all persons is prohibited throughout the territory of the United States: provided that nothing herein shall affect the right of annulment and remarriage in accordance with the Canon Law of the Roman Catholic Church.
         
      5. Attempted mixed marriages or unions between members of the Roman Catholic Church and non-Catholics are null and void, unless a special dispensation is obtained from the ecclesiastical authority of the Catholic Church.
         
      6. Birth control, or any act that deliberately frustrates the natural power to generate life, is a crime.
         
      7. Direct abortion is murder of the innocent even when performed through motives of misguided pity when the life of the mother is gravely imperiled.
         
      8. Sterilization of any human being is prohibited except as an infliction of grave punishment under the authority of the government for a crime committed.
         
         Source: Puritan's Progress (a Catholic Perspective) Vol V pp. 126-129
         

Of course, if they replaced the word "Catholic" with " Baptist" or (ugh) "Methodist", I'd be up in arms ready to fight to the death to keep THAT from happening.

To me the idea of living in a country that reflects my belief system sounds wonderful. A few years ago I heard that Malta was the last country on Earth that still recognized the primacy of the Catholic Church in it's Constitution and thought "how great would it be to live there?". Unfortunately, being a small island, they have very strict residency and citizenship requirements so living there would have been out of the question. With their entrance into the EU, I somehow doubt they have been allowed to remain a Catholic paradise.



What I would like to ask the members is this: Wouldn't you prefer to live under a government that reflected your own belief system, whether that be Catholic, Baptist, atheist, secular or even satanist?


Imagine if we were able to set up our own provinces in which we had the freedom to live out our lives in accordance to our belief system, under a government that fosters and supports your beliefs. How great would that be?



[edit on 24-2-2010 by FortAnthem]

Fortunately, I do live in a country that recognizes my secular but tolerant belief system. Unfortunately, there is a very vocal minority that is working to undermine that.

Originally posted by FortAnthem

The following were created by Paul Blanshard, an anti-catholic activist, in order to outline what would become of the vaunted American Democracy if the Catholics were to gain political power....

Yeah...I don't think this would happen if "Catholics were to gain political power".

First of all, for most of this nation's history, the predominant faith for those in power has been Protestantism. The founding fathers were mostly Protestants, yet the constitution does not contain "strictly Protestant" laws and content. I don't know why Catholic lawmakers would be any different.

Secondly, there are a lot of Catholics who hold high office in this country, yet I have never heard of any of them suggesting "Catholic Amendments".

It seems to me that if Mr. Blanshard really believes this, then he is a radically-minded person who should not be taken seriously.

There is such a place--Vatican City Seriously though I usually am opposed to organized religion, however I do like the way that the Catholic church is run--with a strict code that can't be altered like with a Christian type church where a preacher can have a "vision" or something and then rant about it on Sunday...I suppose it's the accountability that makes it less scary to me and I also like the fact that according to the church I have never been married although according to the state I have been twice hmmm who do I listen to?

Fortunately for me the Constitution of the United States guarantees that I live in a country where my choice on religion is law - by that I mean

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; . . .".

So I get to practice my religion of choice and so does everyone else. If you want to live in a place under the subjugation of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, go to seminary, take Holy Orders and live in the Vatican. Heck, with a bit of luck, you might get made Pope. All that is technically required is that you be a Catholic male who has reached the age of reason, is not a heretic, is not in schism, and is not “notorious” for simony.

Maybe I`m reading this wrong, but, when did any religion have the right to take away anyones free will? Or to force their will on others? When did the get the right to label this country as only having their religion only? Again, I hope I read it wrong.

*sigh*


Apparently no one read down to the bottom and saw the question:

What I would like to ask the members is this: Wouldn't you prefer to live under a government that reflected your own belief system, whether that be Catholic, Baptist, atheist, secular or even satanist?


Imagine if we were able to set up our own provinces in which we had the freedom to live out our lives in accordance to our belief system, under a government that fosters and supports your beliefs. How great would that be?

I posted the Catholic Amendments in the hopes of stirring up a discussion of whether some feel they would be better off living in a land whose rulers shared their core values rather than a country ruled by religious indifference where the lowest common denominator rules.


edit to add: and for some reason the G-D system won't allow me to highlight my question using color or size codes.

[edit on 24-2-2010 by FortAnthem]

I think the most prevalent examples of religious sates would be those of the middle east. I think we can all see where that has gotten us...

While it might sound tempting to live in a state that supports your beliefs, i think that it would ultimately lead to conflict when you allow the possibility of religious fanatics to control government and military power.

I think the best system is secular government that allows for freedom of religion. We are not there yet on a global scale, and we have not worked out all of the kinks in America.

Disturbingly we are seeing regression of these principles in countries like Switzerland and France, but maybe someday we can acheive a world where everyone can celebrate their own ideas without infringing upon others.

reply to post by FortAnthem


I read it, it`s just the fact that their ARE people in this country that feel their religion should rule over everyone taking away peoples rights. It`s bad enough that our government is doing just that let alone some religion wanting to. As per your question, yes we would be better off. Now, if we can just take our country back long enough to have it this way.

If I'm a sound middle class person, I want my Church to defend my own lifestyle and values. That means no multiculti-jibberish and tolerance-worship. Like many families, I've seen the suburbian chaos, where different cultures wreck each other. I may not dare to say it in public, but in private my family and I think that too many immigrants without any government plan to integrate them will fail. We want to preserve our culture, like our parents did, because that's the way we want to live.

The Catholic Church believes we should apply Judeo-Christian values to all societies, everywhere. It's a mission that will never work, and shouldn't either, since it would destroy the diversity and competition of culture on our planet. Further, most of these values have proven to be Pleasant Illusions (we're all equal, democracy is the best form of government, we need to nanny everyone, giving money to poor people solves poverty, u.s.w.), so we don't want to spread more illusion to the rest of the world.

At the end of the day, I don't feel the spiritual aspects are so appealing that I need to join the Church. I stand by most of its principles, although I'm also a classic liberal in that I believe in individual choice, without a Nanny State/Church to take my fall if I make the wrong move. In short, Catholicism is a good option for any Conservative-leaning believer today, but for those of us who place emphasis on less dogma and more private choice, we're probably going to stick with Luther, unspecified spirituality, and the condom. Wisely, of course.

reply to post by FortAnthem


Please Sir,
Kindly be aware that their are some Catholics that feel that the council of trent was the beginning of the slippery slope. Then came the chasm of Vatican II, which "they" call themselves Novus Ordo or the New Order! This was followed by pope john paul's blasphemous kissing of the quran and bowing down before hindu priestess! Although many Catholics are unaware that their religion was hijacked by masons and renamed Novus Ordo, this one is not.
Correctly identify this Roman cult by their self proclaimed name, Novus Ordo, and not Catholic.
Dominus vobis-cum

reply to post by Violater1


The Freemasons...is that so? The Knights of Columbus sure, but what evidence do you have on that (the Mason infiltration)? Do you speak Latin? Can you translate it? This idea you have seems to be another example of something lost in translation--story of my life in terms of even bothering to reply on some of these posts

Originally posted by Violater1
reply to post by FortAnthem

 

Please Sir,
Kindly be aware that their are some Catholics that feel that the council of trent was the beginning of the slippery slope. Then came the chasm of Vatican II, which "they" call themselves Novus Ordo or the New Order! This was followed by pope john paul's blasphemous kissing of the quran and bowing down before hindu priestess! Although many Catholics are unaware that their religion was hijacked by masons and renamed Novus Ordo, this one is not.
Correctly identify this Roman cult by their self proclaimed name, Novus Ordo, and not Catholic.
Dominus vobis-cum

Being a Tra-Cath myself, I know what you're talking about. Just check out my profile or better yet, click on the "Catholic" link in my signature and you'll see.

The Amendments, suprisingly, are actually faithful to the pre-Vat II teachings on religious liberty and are suprisingly close to what the TRUE Church actually teaches.

reply to post by mkultraangel


Pope John XXIII was a freemason.
Here are some links.
www.rense.com...
www.opusdeialert.com...
www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com...
www.halexandria.org...
Please forward these links and questions to the Vatican.
Here is their website,and by the way, I have. I never got a reply.
www.vatican.va...

reply to post by mkultraangel


The closest practice to Catholicism is The Society Of Saint Pius X.
www.sspx.org...

Sursum corda
Habemus ad Dominum

I'm really not advocating this for the whole country. It would be impossible to get the whole country to agree to something like this.

My problem is that if someone were to set up a community of people who wanted to live according to their faith in someplace like, say St Mary's, Kansas and wanted their local tax dollars to go toward supporting the Church and Catholic schools for their children and have local laws and statutes that protected their morals, the ACLU would come in and try to destroy the whole thing.

Why can't people set up this type of community if they want? Is that so offencive to the American ideal? What ever happened to the freedom of association?

If you don't want to live under a Catholic-ruled town, then JUST DON'T MOVE THERE AND LET THEM LIVE IN PEACE! They just want a place were they can get away from all of the pronography and vice of the everyday world and try to live according to the tenents of their faith.

WHY IS THIS ILLEGAL IN THE USA?

Blatant bump in progress



Aw, c'mon, doesn't anyone have an opinion on this?


Maybe they're too busy flaming all my other threads.





[edit on 24/2/10 by FortAnthem]

Actually I would prefer to live in a nation where politics and religion do not mix at all. However relgious freedom would be allowed, regardless of ahyones personal beliefs

reply to post by FortAnthem


Modern communities disintegrate because they lack unity. The healthy foundation to unity is culture: a system of values, beliefs and historical traditions that express the heart of the community. This is where you start: what is special about your community? Which public activities are available? Anything that involves a group of people working together for non-profit goals that concern the community as a whole is worth considering. Why can't this be our credo:

1. Right to determine sexual role models and roles. We can say monogamy, polygamy and/or homosexuality are natural.

2. Right to ethnic self-determination, and if need be, ethnic segregation.

3. Right to speak the truth even if it is offensive to others.

4. Right to our own religious practices.

5. Right to regulate and govern our food, medicine and recreational drugs.

6. Right to ostracize or eject members from our community who violate this credo.


We can't. Because we are "free".

reply to post by concernedcitizan


I like the way you are thinking....especially the part about communities falling apart because of lack of cohesion...so of course they would never be a "Catholic led gov't" because that would require Italians, Irish, Latinos, and a whole mix of people (that have notoriously bad tempers) to get along---as far as the other info that was poster about the Council of Trent and so forth, haven't had a chance to look at it....sounds interesting though