Joe Stack Had 9/11, NSA and Homeland Security Related Defense Contractor Clients

The night before this crash, in Canada on CTV, a live report was given from the olympics where 100s of people were waving Canadian flags. But in the background there was a white sign saying 'Investigate 911'. With the security in Vancouver being so tight in even checking all signs, I thought how strange that could have slipped through, where the person holding it was allowed to do so for more than 30 mins. Then about 15 mins later with going back to another live report, it was there again, and then later a third time. It would have been noticed by the network, but still the same camera shot had the sign being seen in the background. Taking this into consideration, my first reaction was that a seed was being planted. Then the next day a plane was flown into a building in the US.

reply to post by itchyonions


"Investigate 9/11"

If that guy was caught up on his conspiracies he would know about the false flag attack conspiracy going on in Vancouver and get right out of there.

I think this is more a case of coincidence. That's like me saying Canada's going to win 7-3 tomorrow and the next day it happens.

A figure of 1,800$ was offered as what Joe owed the IRS. Is that wrong? Did he wig over 1,800$?

Seem like he could have went to a pwan shop for that. It seems very odd.

Anyone have anything on this?

He was mad about taxes and government. Like everyone else. Would that make any one steer a plane into a building leaving behind a family? I don't think so. He owned properties and sounded like a successful guy. Big tangled web of "What the heck is going on here?"

reply to post by December_Rain


Very good work DR. Starred and flagged.

It is definitely a strange case, but in my opinion this isn't a conspiracy as others have said. Think about it, if you wanted to silence a man who knew too much, you wouldn't give him such a high profile death, you would simply dis-appear him.

That being said, we are all taxed too much, regardless of which country we reside in. That much I'm certain we can all agree on. There is no fighting them either, believe me I have tried and it was pointless. It’s evident in my opinion that governments are going too far in terms of taxing their citizens, especially when stuff like this happens, and I can definitely see why this guy in particular went postal.

btw to fellow Canadians I saw that "Investigate 9/11" sign on ctv the day before this happened too. Very strange and very coincidental.

[edit on 24-2-2010 by davec0021]

can't seem to spell ctv tonight

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reply to post by davec0021


You're right Dave, if they wanted to silence him because he knew too much then yes they would have probably just made him disappear quietly.

But .. Here's something to think about. What if Joe Stack had passed on any information that he knew about or uncovered to some of his friends "just in case something happened to him."

There is a news story out now about a family of 4 from California that has just disappeared without a trace. Their car was found close to the border. No signs of foul play at the house or in the car.

There was also a news story recently about another plane crash. I can't remember where, but the plane broke apart while trying to land and it killed 3 adults and 2 children.

Now I'm not saying that any of these things are related. I'm just speculating on what you were saying.

What if the family of four and the people from the other plane crash were friends of Joe Stacks and the 'boogeymen' knew that he had passed on information to them. They take out those people, take out Joe Stacks and then create this whole "crazy nut case" tax story in order to make him look like a raving lunatic.

Think about it. Ifyou knew Joe Stacks and he told you something and then you see these people you know are friends of his and then see that Joe crashed his plane into an IRS building in some crazed rage filled attempt of vengance ... Are you going to come forward and tell anyone what Joe Stacks had told you or offer up the proof that he provided to you? HELL NO you wouldn't. By doing what they did, if they did anything at all mind you, they not only silenced Joe Stack but they pretty much discredited anyone that might come forth now claiming to have information that Joe may have given them.

This is ALL speculation and discussion. Please keep that in mind.

They don't have to kill everybody. They only have to kill one person and then make the rest of the world believe that they were nuttier than squirrel turds.

reply to post by Detailed Perfection


True enough DP, but if I was Stack I would have set up a timed mass anonymous mailing to news agencies all over the world and not involved family and friends. He seemed to be fairly intelligent. Also I'm certain LEA’s would also be playing connect the dots, and a cluster of related disappearances wouldn't go unnoticed. I won't buy that every member of LEA's would be in on the conspiracy either. If what you postulate is true, it would surely piss somebody off in some agency somewhere to pull the curtain down.
As I stated it’s a weird case and hopefully more will come to light soon.

Dave

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I agree with you. I don't believe that every member of the LEA's are behind any conspiracy either. It would be absolutely impossible. But it wouldn't be too hard at all for specialty team to conduct the nefarious business and go unnoticed.

People go missing everyday around the world. I don't think it's policy or protocol of any LEA to try to connect one missing person from State A to other missing persons in States B, C, and D. Unless of course the connection is just too obvious to go unnoticed. But to have a handful of people to go missing within a couple of weeks of one another that have no blatant connection would pretty be treated as seperate non-related incidents.

Joe's widow won't even speak publicly. All of her communications go through her attorney via carefully written non descript statements. Maybe she knows something and doesn't want to risk any chance of slipping up or making any comment that would give anyone reason to take a closer look into the real story.

Or maybe the story that we've been given is the true story and we're just trying to read too much into it.

One never knows.

This is pretty mind blowing tbh. I am sure we al felt like "something" was going on here...but like usual we all were probably coerced to think otherwise.

I mean how can you seriously believe the story now that Joe Stack was a lunatic driven mad from his debt and madness? I mean come on are we even trying any more? I feel down right insulted!

This is like x 1000

What better way to avoid the IRS, than to fake your own death? fly a remotely controlled plane into an IRS building, ensure it burns so that no remains can be found, and slip away.

Just one possibility.. the man sure was connected..

Originally posted by crusaderiam
I really get a feeling this was a staged attack like Oklahoma City years ago, with similar results. Or at least it is starting to look like it.

I'd say it's more like the first WTC bombing-- not enough oohmph or bodycount to provoke a knee-jerk from the populus, but it helps to set the stage for what will inevitably follow... It seems these things come in threes. If history repeats itself, we should expect, as a follow-up, a bigger target on-par with OKC. Then, a little while later, a neo-911. In this way, the draconian governmental responses that will be crafted, considered, and largely rejected in rounds- one and two will be polished and ready-to-go on zero day. Only, this time around, the enemies' roles will be cleverly flipped: First, blame it on domestic loonies. Then, pin it on foreign gangs. Finally, a big whack from a sophisticated yet diffuse "enemy within" to seal the deal.

Seems every week theres something brand spankin new about 9/11 'leaks' that are just oh too convenient to not be deliberate...

Only a matter of time before *shock* they reveal to the world who did 9/11, and everyone will be calling for their blood, its all part of the plan... and while we eat it up cuz finally the 'truth' comes out we wont stop to think that this plays into the depopulation plan too...

Originally posted by Rockpuck
What better way to avoid the IRS, than to fake your own death? fly a remotely controlled plane into an IRS building, ensure it burns so that no remains can be found, and slip away.

Just one possibility.. the man sure was connected..

Except, I don't think he even owed the IRS that much money. The man is an engineer, he's analytical, he would have simply sold an appliance or that Cessna flown into the Austin IRS building. He could have sold it and had money in excess.

I owe the US Treasury just over $2,000, and I'm not about to speed my car into the front door to either end it all or to fake my own death. None of that adds up.

People do just snap and go completely bonkers, schizophrenic behavior and switch to an alter-ego, but this just doesn't seem like that. The man specialized in applications for remote controlled aircraft.

This whole thing just turned into one big pile of steaming crap, and now everybody gets a whiff.

First I want to say good job on the investigative work. Second I want to say that our government and media has lied to us so much it is hard for most of us on this site to accept any story they try to shove down our throats. I still find it odd how they had his name and "manifesto" dug up so fast that the same night it was all over the news. I'm not sure what the agenda is but I most certainly don't believe what they tell us. I'm seriously just sick of all the BS, why the hell is everything covered up?!?! Just like a "failed missile" causes the most amazing spiral of colors and symmetry ever known to man! This is why I find it hard to trust anyone... :sighs:

Originally posted by Portugoal
He was mad about taxes and government. Like everyone else. Would that make any one steer a plane into a building leaving behind a family? I don't think so. He owned properties and sounded like a successful guy. Big tangled web of "What the heck is going on here?"

Thats sort of my point, I think. 1,800$ isnt going to push this guy into a corner or anything.

Thank you for all the response. I have been thinking about this whole thing and the only thing which I cannot place is a "motive". As some of you have suggested and I agree it's rather easy to make someone disappear without such a high profile hit, so what can be the motive?

Just to add another thing I found, Joe Stack edited his letter 27 times. That is rather strange that a person who is so angry and upset will spend 2 days editing his letter. Usually when a person is angry his impulse is to just go out and do it. Also this would mean that if indeed Joe Stack did wrote this letter and edited then it was a pre-meditated attack not a heat of the moment attack.

Looking at the above screenshot, you can see he revised the document 27 times. Additionally, he started the document two days ago on February 16th at 7:24 PM. He saved his final draft this morning at 6:42 in the morning.

Update: Our commentators point out that Mr. Stack's timestamps are in Zulu time; that means he finished drafting his letter at 11:42 PM CST.
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Also I just now noticed the mirror site which I posted in OP is again offline today, the letter can still be found on The Smoking Gun

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I think the fact that his letter was EDITED 27 times coupled with the fact his daughter said it sounded like it came from a different person is enough of a hint that somethings up. Not to mention 1800$ in taxes? Come on. I wouldve given the guy $1800 to not fly the plane into the building, pay off the IRS, and tell me everything he knows.

reply to post by December_Rain


December, we've butted heads on multiple topics.

This one dude? You knocked it out of the ballpark! This has confirmed some of my suspicions and turned my head to go other directions.

Excellent job.

reply to post by felonius


Thank you for your kind words, I am still trying to find anymore details available in this regard. If I find some will post here.

Question: Has anyone come out publicly about these factors? Has this been outed anywhere at all?

It seams like a bit much to swallow given the new information that the reason given for this was truthful.

Just saying I hope this gets a bit more coverage if it hasn't already.