Glen Beck and Ronald Reagan are Progressives

reply to post by David9176


Hmm so Glen Beck is secretly a progressive and is fighting to stop them and bring it to light to help his cause for the progressive movement. I actually wonder if some people get different oxygen levels or something.


So let me get this straight he is day after day rallying against them because he is one of them? It must be a really slow news day or something.

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by Janky Red

 

It's amazing where things are going now with many in this country. It's basically this:

"I don't care if I'm poor as long as the billionares keep their money."

And that's it. F themselves and give those with almost everything..the rest.

Lol...and no you're not a loser....you're a patriot! Glen Beck loves patriots! You must be an avid watcher of his show!

Well David if you keep trying you two can be a billionaire like me!

You see the billionaires work more hard then the rest of us.
If there was no billionaires you would be struggling to make ends meet, because
they would not be charging you a premium for their hard work or money.
Therefore you pay less in bills because of them.

I mean look at the wars Obama started and the economy he created, if he would give tax breaks for billionaires, maybe a Trillion or so, the billionaires would create more jobs


in India and you could get a better job if you learned Indian and managed a call center.

But no, Obama is such a socialist he gave the money back to the tax payers, instead of the banks straight up socialisms!!!

The only way we can compete is to eliminate minimum wage so that we can compete with Mexico and China!

reply to post by Subjective Truth

Hmm so Glen Beck is secretly a progressive and is fighting to stop them and bring it to light to help his cause for the progressive movement. I actually wonder if some people get different oxygen levels or something.

No...I'm saying GB is full of ****. Now make sure you turn the TIVO on so you don't miss his show tomorrow as I know...even though you are strongly independent...you would never repeat GB's idea of Progressivism and how it's the ONLY thing that has destroyed our country.

Tax rate was 91 percent under Eisenhower. Must have been a Progressive...whole country must have been. Our grandparents and parents were Progressives...at least according to GB.

Oops...Eisenhower was a Republican. That doesn't make sense. He must have been another one of those Neo-Conservative/Liberal/LIbertians Progressives bent on world domination.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
reply to post by David9176

 

Hmm so Glen Beck is secretly a progressive and is fighting to stop them and bring it to light to help his cause for the progressive movement. I actually wonder if some people get different oxygen levels or something.


So let me get this straight he is day after day rallying against them because he is one of them?

It must be a really slow news day or something.

EXACTLY

sort of

it is actually just like Obama being a RED COMMUNIST and then giving tax revenue to
the big fish to advance his communist tendencies.

* text book socialisms!



[edit on 23-2-2010 by Janky Red]

reply to post by David9176


So now you are changing your story he is not a progressive he is just full of sh*t. SO basically you were trying to hurt him using propaganda right?

And you did not think about it to much and well it backfired so now you must change your story. I would have more respect if you had just stuck with the Headline you posted but I guess when you are making up lies it is hard to keep answering questions.

reply to post by Janky Red

You see the billionaires work more hard then the rest of us. If there was no billionaires you would be struggling to make ends meet, because they would not be charging you a premium for their hard work or money. Therefore you pay less in bills because of them.

Makes sense to me! Because...as we all know...Profits create jobs...NOT DEMAND!!!

The only way we can compete is to eliminate minimum wage so that we can compete with Mexico and China!

I know! We don't deserve the high earning of minimum wages....who cares if it hasn't scaled with inflation...when it should be nearly 20 dollar an hour. Who cares if those on minimum wage can barely live now....they are BUMS.

Let's pay them pennies. They can go buy a pack of gum from China at the end of the week. That's all they are good for. Leeches on society....workers are.

You know who's fault it is? The unions. All their fault....i mean...let's completely disregard the fact that union membership/power is nothing compared to what is used to be.

It's a wonder how this country functioned with a 91 percent tax rate on the wealthiest combined with Unions. Wow!!! We are so lucky to have survived that!

Originally posted by drwizardphd
It still amazes me to this day that such a large percent of the population has been brainwashed so deeply by partisan programming, to the point that they've developed a problem with progress.

My problem with "progress" (whereas you find none) is defined by the defintion of the word. Pray do tell:...progress towards WHAT exactly? Progress is not a destination.

prog·ress (prgrs, -rs, prgrs)
n.
1. Movement, as toward a goal; advance.
2. Development or growth: students who show progress.
3. Steady improvement, as of a society or civilization: a believer in human progress. See Synonyms at development.
4. A ceremonial journey made by a sovereign through his or her realm.
intr.v. pro·gress (pr-grs) pro·gressed, pro·gress·ing, pro·gress·es
1. To advance; proceed: Work on the new building progressed at a rapid rate.
2. To advance toward a higher or better stage; improve steadily: as medical technology progresses.
3. To increase in scope or severity, as a disease taking an unfavorable course.
Idiom:
in progress
Going on; under way: a work in progress

reply to post by Subjective Truth

So now you are changing your story he is not a progressive he is just full of sh*t. SO basically you were trying to hurt him using propaganda right?

You don't understand the point I'm making. I'm stating that by Beck's own definition of Progressive...which he loathes....actually defines himself. That is why I said he is full of it.

Show me where I lied.

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by Janky Red

 

You see the billionaires work more hard then the rest of us. If there was no billionaires you would be struggling to make ends meet, because they would not be charging you a premium for their hard work or money. Therefore you pay less in bills because of them.

Makes sense to me!

Because...as we all know...Profits create jobs...NOT DEMAND!!!

The only way we can compete is to eliminate minimum wage so that we can compete with Mexico and China!

I know! We don't deserve the high earning of minimum wages....who cares if it hasn't scaled with inflation...when it should be nearly 20 dollar an hour. Who cares if those on minimum wage can barely live now....they are BUMS.

Let's pay them pennies. They can go buy a pack of gum from China at the end of the week. That's all they are good for. Leeches on society....workers are.

You know who's fault it is? The unions. All their fault....i mean...let's completely disregard the fact that union membership/power is nothing compared to what is used to be.

It's a wonder how this country functioned with a 91 percent tax rate on the wealthiest combined with Unions. Wow!!! We are so lucky to have survived that!

Well thank god this economy turned around after we dropped the tax rate

your argument makes no cents

Unions are the communist way to take over a country and look how close they are to ruling it now.

ACORN is a product of unions, lazy people (communists) who don't want to work, so they plant trees.

Imagine how well off YOU would be if all the billionaires did not pay ANY TAXES

AND

We paid low skilled workers like they do in China

I mean, you would be rich and more importantly FREE!

I mean what if a six year old wants to work?

Is that freedom?

OR what if your boss wanted you to work for 20 hours a day?

YOU WOULD BE RICH!!!

Especially if they eliminated minimum wage, because they would pay you more!

Originally posted by pumpkinorange

Originally posted by drwizardphd
It still amazes me to this day that such a large percent of the population has been brainwashed so deeply by partisan programming, to the point that they've developed a problem with progress.

My problem with "progress" (whereas you find none) is defined by the defintion of the word. Pray do tell:...progress towards WHAT exactly? Progress is not a destination.

prog·ress (prgrs, -rs, prgrs)
n.
1. Movement, as toward a goal; advance.
2. Development or growth: students who show progress.
3. Steady improvement, as of a society or civilization: a believer in human progress. See Synonyms at development.
4. A ceremonial journey made by a sovereign through his or her realm.
intr.v. pro·gress (pr-grs) pro·gressed, pro·gress·ing, pro·gress·es
1. To advance; proceed: Work on the new building progressed at a rapid rate.
2. To advance toward a higher or better stage; improve steadily: as medical technology progresses.
3. To increase in scope or severity, as a disease taking an unfavorable course.
Idiom:
in progress
Going on; under way: a work in progress

Exactly

Progress is dangerous

I mean a fine example

what happens when you progress thru the years???

you die!!!

The whole idea is fooking cracy!

reply to post by David9176


The funniest thing about these folks who follow Glenn Beck in a straight line, the fact they yap on all day about "the mainstream media" and yet Fox is the largest of them all!

I mean seriously, have you checked out Glenn Becks prior shows on CNN? His comments against Ron Paul and prior tea party supporters during the Bush administration?? Now all of a sudden his leading the tea parties?? His own supporters consider him an entertainer... if his an entertainer why the heck do you take what he says seriously?

Folks argue this guy is just a pundit, why worry about him. I worry about him and other pundits like him because people are beginning to repeat his damn shows on these forums, among these protests. Its just astounding how people can be lead so easily.

The guy has multiple historians on staff who help with his content. EVERYTHING he talks about in regards to history can be researched and confirmed. I know facts are to hard for some people to digest. If he is a big fat lier than prove it!

The only thing Glen haters can do is to throw crap on the wall and see what sticks.
You can either get with what is really going on around you, or just deny history and everything we have learned the past 200 years. He is a progressive? really???

I don't care what its being called. If it has anything to do with...
Small Government, Freedom, Power to the people or anything in the Constitution I'm in!
We are all in this together, why cant we all have a say and make the decisions rather than have someone tell us how to live or what to do?

If "progress" has anything to do with moving away from the direction of the Constitution and Bill Of Rights I'm not interested.

I know what gets the left so mad at Glen. They are ate up with hate for him because they cant stop him from reveling what is really going on in America. They wish they could discredit him or shut him up because the truth hurts. They would rather tell you what to think than have you think for yourselves.

Originally posted by Digital_Reality
The guy has multiple historians on staff who help with his content. EVERYTHING he talks about in regards to history can be researched and confirmed.

Which historians? The conservative kinds? The ones who manage conservapedia because mainstream history is "liberally bias'? What utter nonsense.

Glenn Beck claimed that "Thomas Jefferson created the Marines for the Islamic pirates that were happening" which Jefferson did no such thing.

Boston college proffessor Alan Wolfe called out more lies from his claims over progressivism:

As an example, he said, Beck mentions how the Nazis supported programs like universal health care as evidence that their ideology may have more to do with the left than the totalitarian right.

Nazi Germany was "not evil because of their economic program," said Wolfe, which he noted included a few programs designed to promote public health.

"It was evil," he said, " because it aimed at the extermination of European Jewry."

Do you want to know what real historians say about Glenn Beck and his history?

www.politico.com...

Not everything he says on history can be confirmed. The only time this mans history is on spot is when he states how bad Hitler and Stalin were. Beyond that his claims are BS. For you to make such a claim and for me to take afew minutes on google to disprove that claim says alot about what you choose to listen to.

I know facts are to hard for some people to digest.

You just proved you cannot digest it, so you go to Glenn Beck and he feeds you his own garbage.

or just deny history and everything we have learned the past 200 years.

How is Glenn Beck not denying history if his facts are wrong?

If it has anything to do with...
Small Government, Freedom, Power to the people or anything in the Constitution I'm in!

Yes you are! All it takes for a person to mislead you in information is for him or her to claim they are for "small government, freedom, constitution" and people like you fall right for them! For some reason your over politicians making claims, but pundits doing the same thing, somehow its a different and you fall right in line.

I know what gets the left so mad at Glen.

How can you not be mad at anybody who misleads, wh o speads propaganda and makes a living out of it? Its so damn easy to be outraged at the politician, but the pundits, now thats an exception!

[edit on 24-2-2010 by Southern Guardian]

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Gotta love all the attention this thread is getting!!!!

reply to post by Southern Guardian


I guess we all have a right to our opinion. I'm able to think for myself even if I listen to Glen every now and then.

I know what the founding fathers wanted when they formed this country. Ive read the books written by them, not just about them. Glen is not far off the mark from the original thoughts of the founding fathers. Hes pointing out the obvious. There is always going to be a struggle within from the left and right. That was understood and by design there are safeguards to keep the system balanced.



Really it comes down to this... If you don't like to listen, then turn the channel/station.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

Which historians? The conservative kinds? The ones who manage conservapedia because mainstream history is "liberally bias'? What utter nonsense.

If "The conservative kinds" is what you call it when he directly quotes the words of our founding fathers than yes, thats exactly what I'm referring to.

As an example, he said, Beck mentions how the Nazis supported programs like universal health care as evidence that their ideology may have more to do with the left than the totalitarian right.

Nazi Germany was "not evil because of their economic program," said Wolfe, which he noted included a few programs designed to promote public health.

"It was evil," he said, " because it aimed at the extermination of European Jewry."

Really? The above quote proves what? That Mr. Wolf Thought even though the Nazi's were mass murdering lunatics that they actually had a good economic program? Give me a break man.

This is Mr Wolf's opinion being regurgitated by you in a feeble attempt to somehow discredit Beck. It cracks me up sometimes at how hard you guys claw and reach for anything you can to make people look bad who try and show evil for what it is. In the end you still come up short..

Not everything he says on history can be confirmed. The only time this mans history is on spot is when he states how bad Hitler and Stalin were. Beyond that his claims are BS. For you to make such a claim and for me to take afew minutes on google to disprove that claim says alot about what you choose to listen to.

Your little google search didn't disprove anything. I know fact from fiction without reading politico. I cant defend every word that has come out of his mouth to date so ill rephrase my former statement and say that everything Ive heard him quote,reference to, or talk about with regards to American history and our founding fathers has been on key. Its your prerogative to twist the facts to suit yourself for easer consumption.

Yes you are! All it takes for a person to mislead you in information is for him or her to claim they are for "small government, freedom, constitution" and people like you fall right for them! For some reason your over politicians making claims, but pundits doing the same thing, somehow its a different and you fall right in line.

I'm not being misled by anyone and there are no politicians making claims that are worth listening to right now IMO. They are all to tied up with their own gain. Thats the problem. No one has the balls to break the mold of corruption.

And before you say it, yes I know Glen gets paid and I realize its a job and he implements a little drama to get his point across.




[edit on 25-2-2010 by Digital_Reality]

reply to post by David9176


I must be a progressive also.

Personal responsibility.Personal responsibility.Personal responsibility.
Personal responsibility.Personal responsibility.Personal responsibility.
Personal responsibility.Personal responsibility.Personal responsibility.
Personal responsibility.Personal responsibility.Personal responsibility.
Personal responsibility.Personal responsibility.Personal responsibility.

Oh, wait a minute, not here in the NEW AMERICA. If you have problems, it must be the fault of someone else. Yes, I know this argument is fallacious.

We need to stop crap like Reagan did with stealing the SS funds! Guess what, even Clinton stole from the fund to SUPPOSEDLY run a non deficit fiscal polices.

We need to decrease the size of the Federal government by a minimum of 75%. We need to take care of THE US and quit being the police of the WORLD. And I could go on and on what we as a nation need to do.

Number ONE-take care of the US and let the rest of the world TAKE CARE OF THEM FRACKING SELVES!

I will agree with you OP that Beck gets a LOT wrong. But he also gets a LOT right. Just as Reagan did.

reply to post by endisnighe

We need to stop crap like Reagan did with stealing the SS funds! Guess what, even Clinton stole from the fund to SUPPOSEDLY run a non deficit fiscal polices.

I know Clinton did. You don't have to refer to Clinton like I'm a huge supporter of him. He put Reaganomics on steriods. He opened the floodgates to outsourcing and tax cuts for corporations/extremely wealthy. I know all about SS as well. I'm not criticizing Clinton in this thread though....I'm criticizng Glen Beck and Ronald Reagan...and pretty much the entire Republican party...all of which have done nothing but run massive deficits since 1980.

I listened to Beck's radio show today. At the very end...he took a call from someone.

I can't find audio for this anywhere right now as it was just on today..don't know if I'll be able to at all actually...so I'll give a summary of it as best as I can. If someone out there listened to his show today...please verify so it doesn't look like i'm making this up.

The caller basically stated..."Glen, I agree with you 95 percent of the time. But there is one area that I strongly agree with you. Corporations don't care about our standard of living.' He was basically stating that they have to much power yada yada.

Glen's response? again...i'm paraphrasing as I don't have the actual audio or quotes...

"I disagree. We need to cut taxes by 50 percent across the board and spending by 30 percent. Money will come flooding into our country and become a safe haven for the rich."

The caller, " But our standard of living is going to go down so we can compete with China and Russia."

Glen's response, "It's going to happen anyway."

That's insane and is exactly what is wrong with his entire stance and what is wrong with Reaganomics itself.

We HAVE to raise tariffs on imports. WE HAVE TO. That is the only way to get money back into the country. IMO there is no other option.

The only feasible way without sending a large portion of this country straight into poverty is to raise tariffs. It's the only real way to create jobs...manufacturing jobs..with decent pay....as small businesses will be able to compete with transnational corporations.

You don't see it endisnighe. You are only looking at this from one perspective. I used to share your views. I wouldn't even consider any other views and I would ignore it or flat out blow it off...never bothering to consider why someone believes what they do...or why they have those concerns.

What Glen Beck is advocating is slave labor. With stripped down to nothing...no taxes....no enforcement of laws other than the MASSIVE CORPORATE HAVEN we have almost and will become...the American people will have no protection. Their voice is already nearly gone.

Our economy is collapsing because the average american had their feet pulled out from under them. It wasn't the unions that sent jobs overseas. It was our horrible trade laws and low tariffs. The only jobs we will get are going to pay low paying, crap jobs. Prices will still go up due to inflation.

Ideology only goes so far. Almost every single policy this man supports favors the rich and massive corporations. Almost everything.

The richest in the world are refusing to pay up...and they will let our economy crash to keep their power.

These companies are making billions of dollars right now. Ithought profits created jobs?

It doesn't. Taxes on the richest have been slashed for the last 30 year plus.

The middle class is dying man. Soon there will only be the megarich and the very poor.

The UNION that is the middle class...and the American people....the United States IS A UNION....is almost gone.

I guarantee it will be gone if we take one more step in the direction of Reaganomics. It has to stop man.

[edit on 25-2-2010 by David9176]

reply to post by David9176


The reason the middle class is dying has nothing to do with social problems.

Supply and demand. The supply of labor has been kept high. The supply of work has gone down. Basic economics.

Now add in the increase in the number of taxes. Not the increase in rates but the number of them. Also factor in the Federal Government requires more things of the states and the states have to increase their rates to cover the costs.

Add into that the multi-national corps and the multi-national supply of materials and items. Instead of you buying from a supplier in your community, you have to buy from someone on the other side of the world. This includes food.

Add into that the government using up ALL of the available credit/debt and you have the perfect storm.

What Beck was talking about, is that we need to cut our spending here in the US or we will fall. If we entice corps to come here in the existing DEPRESSION, we could survive. If we continue on the Tax and Spend attitude of our gov, we will fall.

reply to post by endisnighe


I could go through that line by line and do a rebuttal. I've done this so many times with people that I often wonder what the point really is. I cannot change or force someone to see things differently. Some are stone cold in their beliefs...and want so strongly to be right that they simply will not look for any other possible solutions.

This country is headed for hell if something isn't done to take the power international corporations have over our country.

Yet I just sat and read that you agree with Beck that we should openly hand over our country to them.

They DON'T CARE about you. They don't care about me. They don't care about the 330 million people in this country. They control the media and all ideas slammed through the television screen and into your homes.

Let me get this straight.

You want the UNITED STATES to be a corporate haven. You want the majority of the American people to be dirt poor....and to accept it. AND you want them to support a war...lose their health insurance...all benefits.

You are wanting to destroy the very essence of this country with your stance.

I beg you to reconsider.

Tariffs are 100 percent Constitutional and is the only thing that protects American workers and their wages. The world went global and international corporations sapped all of the wealth out of everyone.

It's not the middle classes fault. They had lived the same way. They were always able to pay back their credit cards. They were able to pay their mortgages...health insurance never even used to be a worry.

They kept living life as they did but the rug was pulled out from under them. Energy costs exploded. Prices inflated. Benefits lost. Jobs lost. Homes lost.

I don't see the rich hurting right now. They need to hurt. They need to feel it....and since they won't do what is morally right...

This country is going to crumble.