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As always, sorry about the spelling, but this is important, On Bill O'Reily's program tonight, 2/23/10 he mentioned he had taken something called 'red yeast' to lower blood lipids. (Its an over the counter supplement, with sparse regulation) It worked on the lipids,and came close to having his liver blow up. There are other ways of dropping lipid levels that work just fine, not including a by pass. The later is uncomfortable, but very well proven. How do you know if you have liver failure? The damage done will not present with symptoms untill very late in the process. Yellowing of the eyes, skin, even stools. Feeling "sea sick", abdominal pain, no appetite.

As long as I'm on the subject, please be carefull with using acetaminaphn (tylenol). Since its often mixed with narcotics, people who want to get high can take way to much. Don't exceed six tylenol over about 16hrs. There is an antidote available but you need to get to the hospital in roughly six to twelve hours. After that your only hope is a liver transplant. And good luck getting one. Drug abusers are not high on the list of people to help. And please ever take tylenol and booze, it's much much worse because both are detoxified in th liver. Take care all.

thankfully the liver is the only organ capable of regeneration, ... even after being severly impaired.

but don't put too much stock into that, .... because for the liver to heal itself you have to stop all the things that are slowing it down, ... mainly, booze, over processed foods, and too much meat, as well as pharmacuticals.

The " cure" for a tylenol overdose is activated charcoal, I bought some as it is a natural detoxifier, ... and it is easily available online. I would reccomend all households to get a bottle and keep at home, especialy if they have small children.

other than that, ... you can help stimulate, and supplement your liver with stuff like lecithin, milk thissle, ... and yellow saffron.

natural healing is a hobby

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That's Red Rice Yeast. It's a natural statin. In, and of itself it won't make your liver blow up. With alcohol, the combination will bring your liver to a stop. I'd wager that he drinks like a fish when he's not on camera, or likes to 'have a few' later in the day. Once isn't bad, every day is bad. Same with Tylenol (acetaminophen).

It's not the statin, it's the statin + alcohol.

The last person I'll ever take medical advice or warnings from is a Fox news anchor, or any of their associates.

My word.

It doesn't take a psychic to see that O'Reilly is a booze hound and a constantly angry psychopath. When he's not drinking, I'm sure his blood pressure is constantly through the roof.

Originally posted by SyphonX
The last person I'll ever take medical advice or warnings from is a Fox news anchor, or any of their associates.

My word.

It doesn't take a psychic to see that O'Reilly is a booze hound and a constantly angry psychopath. When he's not drinking, I'm sure his blood pressure is constantly through the roof.

This is not medical advice, he just passed along info he thought might be usefull. Take it or leave it.

Originally posted by arbiture

Originally posted by SyphonX
The last person I'll ever take medical advice or warnings from is a Fox news anchor, or any of their associates.

My word.

It doesn't take a psychic to see that O'Reilly is a booze hound and a constantly angry psychopath. When he's not drinking, I'm sure his blood pressure is constantly through the roof.

This is not medical advice, he just passed along info he thought might be usefull. Take it or leave it.

I am curious, just how can you tell Bill O is a boozer? Via remote control, I see it as a usefull talent.

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Well,that is fine.

According to your profile you are from Minnesota a great state with such a good ability of judging competency that,they elected a "cartoon" character to be their Governor and a lousy comedian to be their Senator.

I am sure Hubert H. Humphrey has spun in his grave a few times in recent years.

Originally posted by Oneolddude
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Well,that is fine.

According to your profile you are from Minnesota a great state with such a good ability of judging competency that,they elected a "cartoon" character to be their Governor and a lousy comedian to be their Senator.

I am sure Hubert H. Humphrey has spun in his grave a few times in recent years.

First I diden't vote for Franken who is a consumate ass with out any effort. I did not vote for Ventura, but thought he was a pretty good Governor. He kept the budget in line, and cut a lot of wastefull spending with out ripping the guts out of the seriously poor. Unlike our current beloved Governor Palenty (R) (most likely I spelled the name wrong, but thats how it sounds), he never saw a program for the poorest of the poor he did not have a pathological need to cut. Since he knows the cuts he made apply to people who for the most part are not likely to have voted for him, and can not contribute to his campaign, they are disposable.

He's been running for President since befor Obama was elected. Also, there seems to be a lack of awareness that some herbal, "natural" supplements can be dangerous by their nature and alone can cause liver failure. No booze required. The one I knew about is Kava. Alone it can cause liver failure. (sorry I can't provide a link, but you can look into it threw Google, or ABC news/health You might need to be very specific, so as not to confuse ABC U.S. with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.)

Last, concerning the need to shoot the messenger by my mentioning some thing Bill O'Reily said about a supplement. He has stated on air he does not drink. Is that true? How the hell would I know? I don't follow the man, or give a damn about his personal life. As for his being mean and vindictive because of his drinking, one can be mean and vindictive and a tea totaler, or at least cold sober. I think most on this site most of the time are sober. But that never prevented some from being condescending, sarcastic, or just plain arrogant.

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst


thankfully the liver is the only organ capable of regeneration, ... even after being severly impaired.

but don't put too much stock into that, .... because for the liver to heal itself you have to stop all the things that are slowing it down, ... mainly, booze, over processed foods, and too much meat, as well as pharmacuticals.

The " cure" for a tylenol overdose is activated charcoal, I bought some as it is a natural detoxifier, ... and it is easily available online. I would reccomend all households to get a bottle and keep at home, especialy if they have small children.

other than that, ... you can help stimulate, and supplement your liver with stuff like lecithin, milk thissle, ... and yellow saffron.

natural healing is a hobby

Sorry, but your wrong on the tylenol overdose "cure" Activated charcoal works only if the tylenol is still in your stomach. Since some people have slow digestive tracts, it might help. But the "cure" is to get tylenol out of your system befor it is tackled by your liver. What happens when the liver deals with is the depletion of glucothione. The only way to counter is L-acetyl-cystiene. That you can take orally, or by IV. You can also inhale it in the same product that goes by the name of "mucamist"

Originally posted by arbiture

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst


thankfully the liver is the only organ capable of regeneration, ... even after being severly impaired.

but don't put too much stock into that, .... because for the liver to heal itself you have to stop all the things that are slowing it down, ... mainly, booze, over processed foods, and too much meat, as well as pharmacuticals.

The " cure" for a tylenol overdose is activated charcoal, I bought some as it is a natural detoxifier, ... and it is easily available online. I would reccomend all households to get a bottle and keep at home, especialy if they have small children.

other than that, ... you can help stimulate, and supplement your liver with stuff like lecithin, milk thissle, ... and yellow saffron.

natural healing is a hobby

Sorry, but your wrong on the tylenol overdose "cure" Activated charcoal works only if the tylenol is still in your stomach. Since some people have slow digestive tracts, it might help. But the "cure" is to get tylenol out of your system befor it is tackled by your liver. What happens when the liver deals with is the depletion of glucothione. The only way to counter is L-acetyl-cystiene. That you can take orally, or by IV. You can also inhale it in the same product that goes by the name of "mucamist"

I diden't mean to sound like I'm slamming natural healing methods, I'm not. But in the end I look for the most specific and effective method of solving a problem. If you rely on charcoal only for an over dose you could be missing a broader picture. As I said charcoal has its place. But you need to address the liver on its own terms, not your terms, the liver. While you are right the liver can regenerate, its not as straight forward as that. There is a threshold such as a certain level of glucothione in the that if you dipp below, the only hope of survival you have is a liver transplant. One can have several "heart attacks", and still survive just fine. But the liver even though it can regenerate is much less forgiving.

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Yeah, they use other things in the treatment of tylenol overdoses, but Charcoal is usualy the first, and main counter measure. Often the treatment need not go any further, ..... but your right, .. thats usually if the pills have just been ingested.

I'm not against modern medicine at all, .... if the gist of your post is to get across the importance of taking care of ones liver, .... I'm all for it.

People should take more stock in preventative medicine . A healthy liver is the cornerstone of good health.

do you have any advice for taking care of, .. or nursing ones liver ? i'd like to hear it.

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst
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Yeah, they use other things in the treatment of tylenol overdoses, but Charcoal is usualy the first, and main counter measure. Often the treatment need not go any further, ..... but your right, .. thats usually if the pills have just been ingested.

I'm not against modern medicine at all, .... if the gist of your post is to get across the importance of taking care of ones liver, .... I'm all for it.

People should take more stock in preventative medicine . A healthy liver is the cornerstone of good health.

do you have any advice for taking care of, .. or nursing ones liver ? i'd like to hear it.

The liver is one organ where the least you do to it, thats usually the best thing to do. People who drink a lot or use lots of tylenol when in their teens or 20's, seem to have the biggest problems when they get in their 40's, 50's and 60's. I can not agree with you more about the importance of liver health. Its vital to a long life. As the liver degrades for what ever reason, it becomes less able to protect the bodies cell structure from the generation of free radicals. Think of free radicals as ozone, or O3. (Ozone belongs in the stratosphere, not your body) They are highly reactive oxygen molecules. They can be produced by eating cold cuts preserved with sodium nitrate, or by exposure to ionizing radiation. In fact what kills you (unless you get a super massive rad dose) with exposure to high levels is not the radiation but the generation of free radicals. They act like artillery shells that rip threw your body.

When we investigated what killed the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we knew going in due to animal tests that an ionizing radiation dose of >200 rads would sterilize the intestine and bowel. The more intense exposure over the shortest time was the most dangerous. As you most likely know, gut bacteria is vital for digestion. The post mortems on those pitifull people showed it diden't matter what they ate, they starved to death. And yet people were dying who should not have. Post mortems on them revealed a lot of nacrotic tissue produced by genetic damage. Free radicals had prevented normal tissue regeneration.

The best advice I can give is a little old fashioned. Eat plenty of fruits and vegtables (fresh) high in anti-oxidants. Getting them in food really does work better then taking a pill. But if you can't get them in food, take a pill any way. Although some studies show a little alcohol is good for you, I've never read any study that says its better then not drinking at all. I'm not a prude, I like to have fun now and then as much as the next guy. But I don't delude my self into saying to my self "drinking is good for me" I like a drink or two on a saturday night because I like the way it makes me feel.

Also unless I know EXACTLY what various so called "natural" herbal and other products do, I don't take them. A lot of that stuff comes from China and you get wildly different doses and even ingrediants. I should mention most of the generic aspirin sold in the US comes from China. I don't buy generic aspirin. Last there are products out there that claim to "detoxify" your liver. In fact there really is nothing I heard or read that does that, for one simple reason. Think of the liver like the catalytic converter on your car. On your car its designed to clean up the exaust and produce less pollution spewing from your tail pipe. Thats what the liver is designed to do. Expose the rest of your body to less pollution. But it can't flip that process on it's head

Your liver is not designed to take something thats good for it the same way it cleans up something thats bad for it. And while there might be something out there thats good for the liver, and I've read a lot a claims, when you get down to it there is a lot of gibberish. Your liver is designed to detoxify gunk. And to do that really well, which it does, it is the ultimate specialist.