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God vs Evolution...dun dun dun
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When you start to look at it opposite of what science says, things start to make sense.
Science says that matter influences consciousness, or that the brain produces consciousness.
Try looking at it the other way. Consciousness influences matter. In this way it is easier to see that there can be both a Creator (our selves) and evolution (the natural progression after consciousness produces then sets matter free).
Our thoughts/consciousness can then shape our realities by influencing the matter we've created.
Science says that matter influences consciousness, or that the brain produces consciousness.
Try looking at it the other way. Consciousness influences matter. In this way it is easier to see that there can be both a Creator (our selves) and evolution (the natural progression after consciousness produces then sets matter free).
Our thoughts/consciousness can then shape our realities by influencing the matter we've created.
I posted this in my own atheist-baiting thread a while ago but, I thought it would be fun to post it here to:
reply to post by john124
I can answer you;
If a god created our universe, then he's responsible for all of it's destructive attributes as well. Therefore any god would probably have to be psychopathic to want to create and destroy on such a scale over and over again.
The Power of Creation is Nuclear on a massive scale, generating a balanced order with some of that same power on a smaller scale available to be opened in destruction at a certain technological "age".
All ages were "prepared" for this ultimate realization, for this the LORD GOD of the Bible made an agreement in Stone with Moses (whom only He knew 'face to face') of Denial to continuance and and understanding trustworthy. It is a covenant (merger) in death (a sarcophagus 'Ark') but as a Marriage 'throne' carried.
What is the point of having the desire to wish or the faith that one exists?
Because the alternative is unthinkable in the illumination that He is foretold to be what is our 'god forbid':
Coming with the Destruction
On the clouds of the Heavens having Force and Great Brilliance
walking through the Earth on pillars (palm trees!) of fire
his face (/presense?) shining as the naked Sun (a rainbow on his head)
having a flaming sword -bathed in the Heavens with which He razes the Earth
before it is a Garden after it is a Wilderness...
There is survivors,
but they shall say; Blessed were those who were taken.
He forswore Himself was committed to death and Sabbathed
the Ye'aH of ancient time the gospel preached in the wilderness
became the highest to lowest vowels iy eh uw oh uh ah ugha
and "He To-Be" became the real en'titled':
YeShUaA HaNeTzaRI U'MeLeCh HaYeHUDIM
"YHWH"
If "He proving To Be /a Becoming" does not in fact prove to be any more than He already is, then we are hopelessly enslaved to banks unto the chaos we made (what "entered not into my mind") our own revered/feared "Hell".
Either that or it's His resurrection power of creation being used and He becomes the bringing up Clouds of Witnesses -and these shall be for a 1,000 years becoming the Capital of the Heavens(!) and from here the seed of life lasting circumnavigates the Universe like a great tree.
Knowing that what is granted continuance and empowered to being is what is shared, that it's all about "Heaving" it up by willpower, what has the will been shaped to(?) for shamefulness and thus secrets being "Helled"?
Which really Creates (or co-creates as a Father 'source'-Son 'successor')?
I'm personally glad that He did choose to make this His planet a gift to this "end"
and chose to come into His own creation as the creature of Him and stand on the sphere of the Earth
who had before the applied the dynamics of Mars and Venus guiding
the collision that made the moon and gave the Earth its angled axis!
That the Finger of GOD that wrote in stone Did cast out unclean spirits!
Why else would GOD deserve to have a Name?
If He could not Be
and Love?
Where in this are "they", them, the "others" and can they achieve attain acquire the universe too or even be an occasion? Apparently not, they don't get the tree of life to go on and don't exist at all after this! So I guess those in their 'intelligence' don't even anticipate the date!
But does the Govt? Yes! In the very Rocks of the Mountains!
[edit on 2010/2/22 by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU]
I can answer you;
If a god created our universe, then he's responsible for all of it's destructive attributes as well. Therefore any god would probably have to be psychopathic to want to create and destroy on such a scale over and over again.
The Power of Creation is Nuclear on a massive scale, generating a balanced order with some of that same power on a smaller scale available to be opened in destruction at a certain technological "age".
All ages were "prepared" for this ultimate realization, for this the LORD GOD of the Bible made an agreement in Stone with Moses (whom only He knew 'face to face') of Denial to continuance and and understanding trustworthy. It is a covenant (merger) in death (a sarcophagus 'Ark') but as a Marriage 'throne' carried.
What is the point of having the desire to wish or the faith that one exists?
Because the alternative is unthinkable in the illumination that He is foretold to be what is our 'god forbid':
Coming with the Destruction
On the clouds of the Heavens having Force and Great Brilliance
walking through the Earth on pillars (palm trees!) of fire
his face (/presense?) shining as the naked Sun (a rainbow on his head)
having a flaming sword -bathed in the Heavens with which He razes the Earth
before it is a Garden after it is a Wilderness...
There is survivors,
but they shall say; Blessed were those who were taken.
He forswore Himself was committed to death and Sabbathed
the Ye'aH of ancient time the gospel preached in the wilderness
became the highest to lowest vowels iy eh uw oh uh ah ugha
and "He To-Be" became the real en'titled':
YeShUaA HaNeTzaRI U'MeLeCh HaYeHUDIM
"YHWH"
If "He proving To Be /a Becoming" does not in fact prove to be any more than He already is, then we are hopelessly enslaved to banks unto the chaos we made (what "entered not into my mind") our own revered/feared "Hell".
Either that or it's His resurrection power of creation being used and He becomes the bringing up Clouds of Witnesses -and these shall be for a 1,000 years becoming the Capital of the Heavens(!) and from here the seed of life lasting circumnavigates the Universe like a great tree.
Knowing that what is granted continuance and empowered to being is what is shared, that it's all about "Heaving" it up by willpower, what has the will been shaped to(?) for shamefulness and thus secrets being "Helled"?
Which really Creates (or co-creates as a Father 'source'-Son 'successor')?
I'm personally glad that He did choose to make this His planet a gift to this "end"
and chose to come into His own creation as the creature of Him and stand on the sphere of the Earth
who had before the applied the dynamics of Mars and Venus guiding
the collision that made the moon and gave the Earth its angled axis!
That the Finger of GOD that wrote in stone Did cast out unclean spirits!
Why else would GOD deserve to have a Name?
If He could not Be
and Love?
Where in this are "they", them, the "others" and can they achieve attain acquire the universe too or even be an occasion? Apparently not, they don't get the tree of life to go on and don't exist at all after this! So I guess those in their 'intelligence' don't even anticipate the date!
But does the Govt? Yes! In the very Rocks of the Mountains!
[edit on 2010/2/22 by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU]
No-one has yet been killed by an object falling from Space (though we've put alot more 0bjects "out there") so much for "fuc*ed up"!
They haven't?..... hmmm, how about this then...
Reported Deaths and Injuries from Meteorite Impact
From Oberlin College, we read:
Meteorite Impact Structures Student Research:
1420 BC Israel - Fatal meteorite impact.
588 AD China - 10 deaths; siege towers destroyed.
1321-68 China - People & animals killed; homes ruined.
1369 Ho-t'ao China - Soldier injured; fire.
02/03/1490 Shansi, China - 10,000 deaths.
09/14/1511 Cremona, Italy - Monk, birds, & sheep killed.
1633-64 Milono, Italy - Monk killed.
1639 China - Tens of deaths; 10 homes destroyed.
1647-54 Indian Ocean - 2 sailors killed aboard a ship.
07/24/1790 France - Farmer killed; home destroyed; cattle killed.
01/16/1825 Oriang, India - Man killed; woman injured.
02/27/1827 Mhow, India - Man injured.
12/11/1836 Macao, Brazil - Oxen killed; homes damaged.
07/14/1847 Braunau, Bohemia - Home struck by 371 lb meteorite.
01/23/1870 Nedagolla, India - Man stunned by meteorite.
06/30/1874 Ming Tung li, China - Cottage crushed, child killed.
01/14/1879 Newtown, Indiana, USA - Man killed in bed.
01/31/1879 Dun-Lepoelier, France - Farmer killed by meteorite.
11/19/1881 Grossliebenthal, Russia - Man injured.
03/11/1897 West Virginia, USA - Walls pierced, horse killed, man injured.
09/05/1907 Weng-li, China - Whole family crushed to death.
06/30/1908 Tunguska, Siberia - Fire, 2 people killed. (referenced throughout paper)
04/28/1927 Aba, Japan - Girl injured by meteorite.
12/08/1929 Zvezvan, Yugoslavia - Meteorite hit bridal party, 1 killed.
05/16/1946 Santa Ana, Mexico - Houses destroyed, 28 injured.
11/30/1946 Colford, UK - Telephones knocked out, boy injured.
11/28/1954 Sylacauga, Alabama, USA - 4 kg meteorite struck home, lady injured.
08/14/1992 Mbole, Uganda - 48 stones fell, roofs damaged, boy injured.
Source
and this ...
CHINESE EMPEROR 'WAS KILLED BY METEORITE'
THE TIMES WEDNESDAY APRIL 10 2002
From Oliver August
THE Yellow Emperor, regarded as the founder of the Middle Kingdom, was buried under the impact of a meteorite 5,000 years ago, Chinese scientists said yesterday.
source
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reply to post by SaturnFX
You are still using an incremental approach not addressing the development of enzymes and catalysts needed for these to work. On a microbiological level evolution is non existant. Each of the steps in the elementary level explanation of the bacteria flagellum consist of hundreds if not thousands of biological interactions. Its not as simple as presented in the video.
You are still using an incremental approach not addressing the development of enzymes and catalysts needed for these to work. On a microbiological level evolution is non existant. Each of the steps in the elementary level explanation of the bacteria flagellum consist of hundreds if not thousands of biological interactions. Its not as simple as presented in the video.
There is no reason for debate between creation and evolution.
Life is all you are talking about here.
The very first life form on earth could be called god or Dad, Mom or Eve. Pick any name for the first.
Any way when that life form divided call the second life form child or bacteria Jr.
This is the start of evolution. God is self Creation and every thing there after is evolution.
I own the faith and fossils to prove it.
Life is all you are talking about here.
The very first life form on earth could be called god or Dad, Mom or Eve. Pick any name for the first.
Any way when that life form divided call the second life form child or bacteria Jr.
This is the start of evolution. God is self Creation and every thing there after is evolution.
I own the faith and fossils to prove it.
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