Obama puts forward $1 trillion health care plan

Obama puts forward $1 trillion health care plan

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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama is putting forward a nearly $1 trillion, 10-year health care plan that would allow the government to deny or roll back egregious insurance premium increases that infuriated consumers.

Posted Monday morning on the White House Web site, the plan would provide coverage to more than 31 million Americans now uninsured without adding to the federal deficit.

It conspicuously omits a government insurance plan sought by liberals.

But it's uncertain that such an ambitions plan can pass, since Republicans are virtually all opposed and some Democrats who

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this is like brand new. I will update as soon as i can. I just woke up and will be going out for a short while as soon as i return i will update.

get this story to every one else this is important.

This is his last ditch effort at health care reform. WE can not allow it to pass. every one contact your senator ASAP

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Ya, we need that money to make bombs and jets to carry said bombs, not help out people.

Quick, call your senator...we only want socialised mass murder, not social healthy people...what the hell are the dems doing trying to make the world a slightly better place.

weak.

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Wait... how does something that costs $1 trillion dollars not add to the deficit. Do we have a spare $1 trillion dollars laying around? Or are we assuming that over 10 years we are going to have a spare $1 trillion? I will never understand these astounding claims from government. Obviously the $1 trillion has to come from somewhere and if it is taken from other resources as to not raise the deficit, then those other resources would RAISE THE DEFICIT. Silly, silly.


Anywho, onto the article. What this sounds like to me is another government takeover. Instead of creating their owned socialized health care system, they now seek to hijack the current one. I can't see how this is any better then before but I am sure they will try to sell it somehow. I will have to check out this bill to see exactly what rights we are going to have taken THIS time around.

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Yes! Let's throw away more rights in the name of health! We have already done so in the name of retirement savings and national security, so what is another excuse?

Weak.

[edit on 22-2-2010 by gwydionblack]

Um . . . not to dispute Mr. Obama's intentions here and as a Canadian, I am familiar with health care plans, but . . . . .

WHERE THE HELL IS THE US GOING TO GET THE MONEY FOR THIS GEM?????

just wondering.

...a nearly $1 trillion, 10-year health care plan that would allow the government to deny or roll back egregious insurance premium increases that infuriated consumers.

I stopped reading right there. Aside from the fact that I don't believe their cost estimates, the second half of that is equivalent to implementing price controls. Those worked so well on gasoline in the 70s that I guess Obama thinks we should try it with healthcare. The rest of it sounds a lot like a rehash of their previous attempt during the fall. The GOP is right, this is the prelude to a slow, creeping government takeover of healthcare in subsequent years.

This administration is clueless.

[edit on 22-2-2010 by vor78]

Originally posted by vor78

...a nearly $1 trillion, 10-year health care plan that would allow the government to deny or roll back egregious insurance premium increases that infuriated consumers.

This administration is clueless.

Quoted for truth. As an aside, is one still considered a "consumer" under the capitalist system when one is under a legal mandate requiring them to consume? I guess static egregious government taxes and regulations requiring you to carry insurance will be far less "infuriating?"

Excuse me, please stop the train... I wish to get off now.

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speaking of socialized mass murder
I wonder if barry deform will cover abortions, which is usually considered to be a 'choice' (knowing him I would think that's a yes)
also if he plans on covering illegal aiens
(knowing him I would think that's also a yes)

Down with socialized/ gov. controlled health deform ...




[edit on 22-2-2010 by AmericanDaughter]

[edit on 22-2-2010 by AmericanDaughter]

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
I guess static egregious government taxes and regulations requiring you to carry insurance will be far less "infuriating?"

Of course. Its for your own good. The government has your best interests in mind. They certainly know more about what's good for you than you do.

BTW, would people be 'infuriated' if they realized that under these proposals, their children would essentially be indebted to the insurance industry from the moment they're born until the day they die? Would they be 'infuriated' if they understood that the purchase of a health insurance plan will now more or less be a condition of citizenship?

I don't know about you, but I certainly am.



[edit on 22-2-2010 by vor78]

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Go read it and answer your own question.

And by the way folks:

White House issues list of GOP health reform ideas included in Obama plan

thehill.com...

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You pay for it one way or the other. What you think what is Medicare. You go any day of the week and look in the welfare office and ask the people why they are there for. The so called non profit Medical Insurance Companies are working for their own interest and profits. And these profits are gone wild. When Obama is talking about reduction in cost. He means eliminating the waste. I have coverages from 3 Insurance but none of the Insurance wants to pay. This is the 2nd year that Insurance Companies create problems in their Computers denying payment to service providers. My investigation turned up that it is all deliberate. Do you think that these kind of attitude helps in emergencies. I can recall my experience in London. I just walked in the Hospital and in a matter of 1/2 in the Hospital took care of my problem. For the similar problem it was over 8 hours here in USA. Watch Seiko documentary every word of it is true. If you are some one misinforming Americans, then I ask you to stop it. I personally don't know what is the ultimate desire of Obama, but I spent a lot of time following the Health Care bill. Although it is not what I would like to see, but this would be a lot better for Americans and a starting point for improvement. With out it more and more Americans will be in Trouble health wise.

What a joke this plan is! It's about more control of your daily lives for the government and TPTB! They cannot run anyhting they already are responsible for well why would any American trust the gov with their health care!? After all if it wasn't for bought politicians to begin with the health care system wouldn't be the mess it is! They are the lap dogs of their corporate masters already and this includes the big insurance companies and drug companies too! That's why when it looked like this plan that's supposed to be good for the citizens looked like it was gonna pass before, stocks in all the major health insurance companies went up! Yeah it's good for citizens, ha! Again it's about control, it's about access to your records both medical and financial, it still puts beaurucrats in charge of your coverage and forces you to buy coverage. This is bad for America! Reform is needed in health care for sure but you gotta reform the criminals at the top first or you'll keep getting ripped off and enslaved!

As a career health insurance broker and advisor, I can say for certain that
health insurance reform is needed. As of 2009, seven out of every ten
people who applied for health insurance were either turned down, or had
a part of their body (or mind) excluded from coverage on the policy.

The big problem though is how to cover every human being from head
to toe without a drastic increase in premiums that would make the
38% WellPoint price hike look tame by comparison. Internal memos from
actuaries tell us that a 150% across the board premium increase will
be needed to adhere to the new guidelines, should they become law.

The average health insurance company pays out 87 cents of every dollar
taken in to doctors, hospitals, equipment manufacturers and pharmaceutical
companies.

For instance, a CAT scan at one of our local hospitals costs $7,200. The
specialist physician who interprets the results gets $475. It takes less
than 15 minutes for him/her to write it up. This is just one example of
how utterly expensive medical "care" is.

Most people in the country (approx. 85%) are covered by a group health
insurance plan through their job and have a relatively low deductible to
pay each year out their own pocket. They have no idea that their minor
kidney stone episode cost the insurance company $8,000 or/and that their
employer is paying $1,400 a month for their family's health plan.

President Obama means well, but he's not going to the fundamental roots
of the problem. His method for getting everyone health insurance
coverage will ultimately lead to every American being on Medicare, which
is what he wants anyway, if his mindset is still the same as it was during
a speech he made in 2002.
-cwm

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I wonder if barry deform will cover abortions, which is usually considered to be a 'choice'

Do you have private insurance? I'm guessing you do. Did you know that over 90 percent of insurance companies cover abortion?

So I'm guessing you hate the insurance companies as well correct? They are killing babies.

But nah...it's ok if business kills babies but the government can't.

Hypocrite.



[edit on 22-2-2010 by David9176]

Well, Obama is bringing troops in Iraq home soon...
GOOD!!

Now you folks can get your gov't to spend money on, what I think, is an AMERICAN RIGHT!!

Good luck, U.S!!!

Originally posted by gwydionblack
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Wait... how does something that costs $1 trillion dollars not add to the deficit. Do we have a spare $1 trillion dollars laying around?

It's coming out of our pockets over 10 years silly.. =P That's the ONLY way that this will not increase the deficit. This means that everyone, healthy or not, will pay for Joe Blow to get a liver transplant after he drank himself into a coma when he heard that he had terminal cancer. Enjoy the last 6 months of life Joe, that new liver is on us. =D

Originally posted by David9176


But nah...it's ok if business kills babies but the government can't.

Hypocrite.

Bullcrap! Those businesses aren't (or at least shouldn't be...God bless us things were sure easier to take a pointed stance on before all this bailout horsecrap started) using my tax dollars to fund themselves. I am 100% opposed to abortion. That money which is stolen from every paycheck I earn is still mine dammit. I have every right to protest it funding what I consider to be a form of infanticide.

Insurance companies... little bit different there, my friend. I actually get back out of the insurance company about what I put into them (probabaly more). My wife and I have had 2 kids, that alone was a good $30-$40 K the insurance company paid out to the hospitals. I have yet to see any personal return on my tax dollars, however. I'm not on the government dole.

The tax payer should have a say in how their money is used. Otherwise, it is theft, pure and simple. Not hypocritical, probabaly extremist fanatical (according to our lovely government), and certainly pipe dreaming on my part that the day will ever get here when the imbeciles running this nation actually hold any level of accountabillity towards the tax payers.

Originally posted by PayMeh

Originally posted by gwydionblack
reply to post by Vinveezy

 

Wait... how does something that costs $1 trillion dollars not add to the deficit. Do we have a spare $1 trillion dollars laying around?

It's coming out of our pockets over 10 years silly..

Unless they are running a $100,000 B a year surplus to pay for this over 10 years it will still increase the debt. True to form, that increase will most likely get shifted away from health care and be blamed on millitary expenses or something of the sort, but it will still be an increase traceable to this idiocy.

The Federal government... maintaining a long standing tradition of throwing away the baby and raising the afterbirth...
(we really need a suicide emoticon on ATS)

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Bullcrap! Those businesses aren't (or at least shouldn't be...God bless us things were sure easier to take a pointed stance on before all this bailout horsecrap started) using my tax dollars to fund themselves. I am 100% opposed to abortion. That money which is stolen from every paycheck I earn is still mine dammit. I have every right to protest it funding what I consider to be a form of infanticide.

Yeah, you can protest insurance companies not funding abortion by not having insurance.

That's the point i'm making. I'm against abortion as well in most cases except for rape/incest.

Government run or private insurance...you have a piece of the pie in abortion. IT'S THE SAME THING.