Here comes the fist - Napolitano: Domestic extremism is top concern

Extremism
Main Entry: ex·trem·ism
Pronunciation: \ik-ˈstrē-ˌmi-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1865
1 : the quality or state of being extreme
2 : advocacy of extreme measures or views : radicalism

Extremism: Anyone who doesn't agree with the direction the world is headed, and wants to change it. Anyone who doesn't agree with your opinions.


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Updated February 21, 2010

Homeland chief: Domestic extremism is top concern

By EILEEN SULLIVAN
The Associated Press

Sunday, February 21, 2010; 6:29 PM

WASHINGTON -- Americans who turn to terrorism and plot against the U.S. are now as big a concern as international terrorists, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Sunday.

The government is just starting to confront this reality and does not have a good handle on how to prevent someone from becoming a violent extremist, she said.

In the last year, Napolitano said, she's witnessed a movement from international extremism to domestic extremism - cases in which Americans radicalized and decided to plot attacks against the country.

"What really is it that draws a young person being raised in the United States to want to go and be at a camp in Yemen and then come back to the United States with the idea of committing harm within the United States?" Napolitano asked without citing specific cases. "Where in that person's formulation is there an opportunity to break that cycle?"

One case is that of Najibullah Zazi, the Denver airport driver who has been charged with plotting to use explosives to attack the U.S.

Born in Afghanistan, Zazi had lived in the U.S. since he was 14 years old. In recent years, prosecutors say, he traveled overseas to receive training from al-Qaida.

Speaking to governors who are in Washington for their annual conference, Napolitano said this problem is one that needs to be drilled down and analyzed.

Napolitano was in a wheelchair Sunday because she broke her ankle playing tennis a few weeks ago, a Homeland Security official said.

John Brennan, President Barack Obama's homeland security adviser, echoed Napolitano's concerns about violent extremism Sunday.

Countering violent extremism is not just a federal issue, Brennan told the governors; it's something that needs to be addressed as a nation.

The White House hosted a meeting to discuss these issues Friday, Brennan said.

"There needs to be community engagement," he said.

Brennan pointed to a case from late last year when five young Pakistani men living in Northern Virginia traveled to Pakistan seeking training from al-Qaida.

The FBI learned of the missing men from their families. After the men disappeared in late November, their families, members of the local Muslim community, sought help from a non-governmental organization, which put them in touch with the FBI.

"It's that engagement with those local communities that's going to be the critically important mechanism to detect that radicalization even before they depart," Brennan said.

The government has been engaged in this sort of outreach for years. Homeland Security officials have periodic meetings with Muslim communities. And FBI agents in certain parts of the country regularly reach out to Muslim communities and leaders.

Let's repost that story without the Islamic and international inferences:

Updated February 21, 2010

Homeland chief: Domestic extremism is top concern

By EILEEN SULLIVAN
The Associated Press

Sunday, February 21, 2010; 6:29 PM

WASHINGTON -- Americans who turn to terrorism and plot against the U.S. are now a big concern, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Sunday.

The government is just starting to confront this reality and does not have a good handle on how to prevent someone from becoming a violent extremist, she said.

In the last year, Napolitano said, she's witnessed a movement in domestic extremism - cases in which Americans radicalized and decided to plot attacks against the country.

Speaking to governors who are in Washington for their annual conference, Napolitano said this problem is one that needs to be drilled down and analyzed.

John Brennan, President Barack Obama's homeland security adviser, echoed Napolitano's concerns about violent extremism Sunday.

Countering violent extremism is not just a federal issue, Brennan told the governors; it's something that needs to be addressed as a nation.

The White House hosted a meeting to discuss these issues Friday, Brennan said.

"There needs to be community engagement," he said.

Watch your speech, watch your opinions, watch your thoughts, don't talk about how you're preparing for when the SHTF. A community member may trigger a police raid on your home, and short-circuit your preparedness.



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They are digging their own grave.

Allow me to quote Joseph Stack's Manifesto if I may...

I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are.

He is going to get his wish. More people will wake up and by "cracking down" upon them they will only receive bigger, bolder acts of "domestic violence".

The only difference is that this "domestic extremism" they speak of, isn't fueled by overseas training or links with Al Queda, no, it is fueled by your average American citizen.

Let them try to shut up the people. They will only scream louder. They will only fight back even more.

This is incredible and to be expected.

I wish they would look in a mirror. Of all of the terrorist threats the United States faces, domestic, non-government sanctioned, terror should not be a priority. A better thing that they should focus on is to decrease the number of innocent people are killed by their own actions.

Waco comes to mind. Check out documentary

Over 70 people died, including children at the hands of government cruelty and blood drunk police.

Add to this the countless people that have been killed or close to it by governments "war" on citizens, AKA the war on drugs. Man killed by undercover police when he tries to get drug dealers away from his house.

Add to this the thousands of innocent people... thousands of men, women, and children... that have died in our efforts to take down drug lords in Afghanistan/Columbia and despots around the world (Iraq etc).

Add to this the mishandling of Iran in the 50's that led to many deaths and dampers any logical discourse with them.

Add to this the misapplication of resources in the FDA that bans pharmaceuticals that are legal in other countries, because of over regulation, only to make the drugs legal years, and thousands of deaths later.

Add to this.... no I will not go on. I am getting too angry to even talk about this stuff anymore.

FDA

Drug War

Dead in Iraq

America, land of the caged, home of the repressed.

They are all going to have their hands full when these domestic terrorists get a couple of years older. I think they should quit worrying about the illusive "Al k-da" and focus on some problems like religious dominionists who are abusing the minds of children for their hatemongering agendas. These are extremists; these are terrorists. Why is this problem not being addressed?






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They are all going to have their hands full when these domestic terrorists get a couple of years older. I think they should quit worrying about the illusive "Al k-da" and focus on some problems like religious dominionists who are abusing the minds of children for their hatemongering agendas. These are extremists; these are terrorists. Why is this problem not being addressed?

Wow. Here is someone actually afraid of Fundamental Christianity in the US. Fundie Christians in modern countries are nothing in comparison to fundamental statists in those same countries. I have yet to see a terrorist group, foreign or domestic, use the level of violence our government does. Not even close.

Films like 'Jesus Camp' that sensationalize peoples views are just as bad as the people they criticize.

The problem with extremism is that when the status quo is so extreme it makes regular people look crazy. Extreme devotion to the state is the greatest threat mankind has ever seen. See: Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Mao's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, the US handling of Native Americans, all things I talked about in my first post, the crusades, the mess in former Yugoslavia, the Inquisition, and any other tragedy exponentially greater than any committed by individuals. All of these have one thing in common, and that is devotion to a state, in one form or another. You remove the state from the equation and religion and all other motivating factors are benign.

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Watch your speech, watch your opinions, watch your thoughts, don't talk about how you're preparing for when the SHTF. A community member may trigger a police raid on your home, and short-circuit your preparedness.

I could not have said that better. Im allready affraid I have said to much to my neighbors to the point that I am moving to the country.

I had been talking to people in the lines at the stores , think I will stop that too.
s&f

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I had been talking to people in the lines at the stores , think I will stop that too. s&f

Never stop. How can one expect peaceful change without communication. Plant seeds, don't say too much too fast. People aren't stupid but have just adapted to an irrational situation, making them irrational. Peal back the layers slowly.

I am sure I am on some list somewhere. That is just a fact I have to live with. Ironically, I think the only way I could travel internationally without being hassled is to strap explosives to my groin and act foreign. I heard strapping bombs to your boys is equal to a security pass nowadays.

Wow, if there's one thing for sure, the only reason I haven't been reeducated is because government luckily is terrible at its job.

Find out ahead of time if you are an active target.

Governments have been geared up for this for years. Just do an FOIA request on yourself with the FBI, CIA, the State Department, the TSA and Homeland Security. I am in Canada so I put out three FOIA requests on myself. The RCMP said they had absolutely nothing on me, anywhere, which I expected. Foreign Affairs ignored my request as admitting anything could land charges against them for criminal negligence and a new scandal in the funny pages. CSIS played games and listed nine statutes about why information on myself and my past is a national security risk which could have something to do with South Africa, arms deal, North Korea, Taiwan....it goes on and on or it could have something to do with a little known event involving government corruption in the late 90's. You can read their letter and the statutes HERE and you can read the Privacy Commissioner's response to my formal complaint HERE.

I have to say the US government has been a lot more forthcoming in my investigations and they have stated that they will be sending both non-classified and partially redacted documents concerning my FOIA requests with them.

Regardless, governments hide behind legislation to protect themselves, not you or me, and that's all it really comes down to.

Since Canada is in flux right now and appears not to have a head of state any longer since the queen handed the UK over to the European Union on December 1, 2009 (royal assent in June 2008), I have to wonder if we have any protection of law or constitution. Personally, I think Harper has prorogued government in order to figure out how he is going to tell Canada that we are no longer under monarchical (read maniacal) rule.

Back to the original point, do an FOIA request on yourself with your local intelligence (or lack thereof) agency. Get everyone you know to do one, it doesn't cost anything and the only reason for the request is to make sure the government doesn't have lies on file. If they come back at you like they did with me, look up the statutes because at some point in the future you'll need to fight them in court so stay informed.

Cheers - Dave

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Can not agree with you completely. What if state is based on religion? Classical example is Byzantine Empire. Being anarchist hence agnostic and with good knowledge of many religious wars in Europe ... religion MUST be departed from state (and even secular state is for me evil to some extent because it diminish power of real living community). What about memos directed to G.W. Bush and colored by Biblical citations? Institutional religion is going against free society. And I'm not on same extremely libertarian position as de Sade was.

EDIT to add: What is alarming is that "Films like 'Jesus Camp'" clearly shows brainwashing. Being raised in former communist country I can clearly see it. "Jesus will redeem" me is not the best mantra to put into heads of innocent children. Maybe, sometime later, with no proof in current live ... I DO NOT KNOW but you BELIEVE. How we can have conversation then? Are you genius? Are you better then Kant? I really hate communities which raise theirs children in closed mind-set. The chant "Jesus will redeem me" is not truth even in christian/Catholic/any creed theology. If YOU ARE RICH, then you probably will not end in heaven! Jesus said it!
Even reformed Christianity ended in great bestiality.

Step bit aside and calm down: even if I'm agnostic it doesn't mean that I'm not able of spirituality. Even if I do not believe in God's existence as commonly proposed, I have idea of God and I have some relationship to this idea. But IT IS IDEA as very well documented by Plato and many later philosophers. Kant was believer (theist) and still he said "their is no way how to prove existence of personal God - personal God is common explanation for regulative idea* somehow incorporated into human mind" - this is paraphrase not citation - Kant's work is available on inet - at his times they didn't know fraudulent idea of copyright so copy and spread his ideas and he will be lucky in high heavens

*) I'm not able to explain "regulative idea" concept in full extent here - it really takes few years of study.

EDIT2: nonsense grammar

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What if state is based on religion?

All states are based on a foundational delusion that humanity ought not be free because humans are capable of great evil, while giving all power and control to those same people capable of great evil. When the capability of evil and the unchecked power that is the state coincide, exponentially greater evil is inevitable and most of the time supported by the peoples delusions. People wish upon themselves and others great harm for the sake of some illogical belief in a state. It is like saying yes to rape. People have become sadistic and masochistic at once.

religion MUST be departed from state

Religion is the belief in some explanation for unanswerable questions and fellowship with other in like mind. It can be a tool for bigotry, destruction, and genocide if in parallel with state activity, but the common denominator is the state, not religion.

I can find you many religious people who do not use their religion to harm others, and in fact do great good around the world. I cannot find one statists whose state does nothing to harm anyone, or whose intentions do not seek marginalize an individuals right to natural law.

What is alarming is that "Films like 'Jesus Camp'" clearly shows brainwashing.

Jesus Camp is still thousands of times better than a public school. At least in Jesus Camp you aren't indoctrinated to love the Church of State.

If YOU ARE RICH, then you probably will not end in heaven! Jesus said it! Even reformed Christianity ended in great bestiality.

Definitely a stretch. You obviously have a bias towards Christianity and I believe it clouds your judgment. There are many good criticisms, but these are not them.

Kant was believer (theist) and still he said "their is no way how to prove existence of personal God - personal God is common explanation for regulative idea* somehow incorporated into human mind"

I have read Kant.

at his times they didn't know fraudulent idea of copyright

Intellectual Property is not a legitimate form of property in any sense of the word. You are correct that it is a very fraudulent idea.



Back on subject.

It is common for the current regime to demonize mankind's next evolutionary step. The Catholic Church tried to stifle the written word of their own God when Gutenberg's Press changed the way information was transferred over distances. Now with the war on the internet and free information in full gear, this (Napolitano's War on Ideas) is the next step on the road to serfdom(Hayek anyone?).

The DMCA is a gigantic book burning party that stifles creativity and the free flow of information. The Patriot Act is the legal tool that they find out who you are and what you are up to, and this newly publicized arm of the war on freedom is the means with which they get public support for even more state sponsored terrorism.

I have read even the DoD assessment reports that were released in conjunction with this. The seeds on Martial Law are being planted.