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Originally posted by dzonatasFirst one shows the Caduceus aligned with the chakras.
Note that the Caduceus has been stated to represent DNA, or a badge, yet I find it actually is different from Hermaticists in which the Order of Caduceus is about certain set of sacred knowledge kept among Doctors of that order.
We can start to add the Zodiac and note that it as 12 positions/dimensions, which is double that of the chakras (without transcendence).
Let's add in organic mass into the above, the usual organic carbon ring:
If we try to draw the usual DNA sequence in helic with the organic ring going down the middle instead of just a ribbon to denote the connect, it would be spread apart. This next I went ahead and made a carbon ring structure like DNA and put the Lotus position inside to get the overall concept across.
Originally posted by Golden Boy
Originally posted by dzonatasFirst one shows the Caduceus aligned with the chakras.
What does this matter? What special significance does the caduceus have? If my research is correct, the caduceus was the staff of Hermes, messenger of the gods, not a medical symbol, as your connection with DNA would suggest. Or is there some other meaning that I am unaware of?
Originally posted by Golden Boy
If my research is correct, the caduceus was the staff of Hermes, messenger of the gods, not a medical symbol, as your connection with DNA would suggest. Or is there some other meaning that I am unaware of?
Wouldn't this mean that the chakras do not fit with the zodiac as you propose? You have to create an arbitrary system with two zodiac symbols for each chakra.
Again you're making an arbitrary system with no apparent reasoning behind it.
A DNA strand is not a carbon ring. What makes you think that you can superimpose the two?
Originally posted by prevengeThe caduceus is esoterically understood as the greek / roman analog to the hindu 'kundalini' twin snakes of Ida and Pingala
representing bioenergetic circuitry up the spine generated by sexual excitement, to be trained through white tantra up the spine to unlock the 'wings' of the ventricles of the brain and bathe the 'stone' .. the pineal gland
and awaken the 'all seeing eye' which is the activated full potential of the brain.
Originally posted by dzonatas
There are different organizations, not just one. That's why I excluded the Hermaticists and obviously the Asclepius for this thread. (Excluded as in to point out the other knowledge, not exclude from contribution. )
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The pattern itself that the snakes form around the caduceus is called a double helix.
Please review the chakra chart link above. It has an example with the two zodiac signs for each chakra.
Why do you think they don't fit? 6 chakras would mean 2 zodiac signs each.
Please review the part where I mention the zodiac axis. With this axis, one could plot a path through 12D space.
Just need 1) scale, 2) orientation, and 3) six coordinates
The rest is quantum mechanics. I described the process in another thread. Maybe I'll revise for this thread.
When you see a DNA strand in 3D, normally you see just the "ribbon" which isn't the DNA strand at all. It's just a path that has been stretched/rendered into 3D so it can be understood. When the strand is in it's packed formation, the carbon rings align.
Look closer at the "ribbon" render above and you can see where the carbon rings align.
Originally posted by BellaMente
Edgar Cayce correlated the energy of the seven chakras with the energy of the planets:
Root - Saturn
Sacral - Neptune
Solar Plexus - Mars
Heart - Venus
Throat - Uranus
Third Eye - Jupiter
Crown - Mars
The energy of Pluto corresponds to the superconscious, or as Jung calls it the collective unconscious, or as yogi's call it pure awareness.
Edgar Cayce also noted that the seven chakras are really the seven endocrine glands of the body.
He also said that kundalini energy goes up the sushumna like a snake with the head curled, as in the question mark ?
So really, the pituitary gland, or the third eye, is the highest chakra, or endocrine gland, activated.
Originally posted by Golden Boy
Are you referring to the "ten percent of the brain" myth?
Yes. So? What evidence is there that this symbolism was made to establish a connection with DNA?
How is the position of each planet determined?
Why do the planets affect the chakra flow?
Why don't other, more electromagnetically and gravitationally influential bodies factor in to the equation?
For them to "fit" as easily as you say, I would assume the need for one chakra node per zodiac sign.
Not exactly. The strands are themselves made up of the chemicals in the strand. They join together in the center. The paths are not merely "rendered". They are actually there. They're made up of the chemicals which form the strand.
Yes, a DNA strand viewed from above does look circular, but it still doesn't justify bringing in a carbon ring. By that logic, we could bring in any circular thing we wanted. In addition, the carbon ring has hydrogen projections which are not present in the DNA strand.
Originally posted by BellaMente
Edgar Cayce also noted that the seven chakras are really the seven endocrine glands of the body.
Originally posted by dzonatas
Please review this thread: Mysteries of the Pineal Gland
It took a long time just to come up with all the evidence of the DNA that now exist, yet all these other systems have already been written about for decades earlier. How do you know for sure we would have ever had discovered the DNA structure if it weren't for these earlier texts?
We have the astrological charts to give us a default order and to at least conceptualize the mechanics of the patterns.
Think of the symbols as coordinates
and the positive/negative flow
as directions within those coordinates. This is just one possibilities. Since there are many possibilities, the point of the thread isn't about an absolute system that you want justified. It is about how to apply such symbols from the charts and systems that have been shown to us.
Let's not make it too complex. The patterns across the different knowledge basis is significant for this initial research. There are many reasons why we could say such patterns act as a portal to other knowledge systems.
It's called a "double" helix, which would mean it requires 2, not one.
Are you unable to find any carbon ring, buckyball, nanotube, or any crystalline formation within the DNA structure?
The ribbon topology is the structure rendered in 3D. If we rotated the ribbon in 4D space and rendered it to 3D space, then we could make it align.
This 'fit' between the Zodiac & Chakras appears to Keep It Simple as a way to fully traverse the DNA structure.
Originally posted by Golden Boy
No, you couldn't, as the fourth dimension is time. Not only can you not rotate things in time, moving it in time would not change its structure in the three visible dimensions. The carbon ring would still not overlay the DNA helix.
Originally posted by dzonatas
Originally posted by Golden Boy
No, you couldn't, as the fourth dimension is time. Not only can you not rotate things in time, moving it in time would not change its structure in the three visible dimensions. The carbon ring would still not overlay the DNA helix.
If you argue that the 4th dimensions is time, then I doubt you will ever get any of your other questions answered in any way that you would find acceptable, as you have already closed out any possible answer I give. I stated earlier in this thread that we deal with 12 dimensional space, at least. That is also explained in the thread about the mysteries of the pineal gland.
In a 4D object simulated by a computer, we can prove a 4D object can exist. You may want to study hypercubes or tesseracts about this. It shows you that the 4th dimension is not time.
Originally posted by Golden Boy
It took a long time just to come up with all the evidence of the DNA that now exist, yet all these other systems have already been written about for decades earlier. How do you know for sure we would have ever had discovered the DNA structure if it weren't for these earlier texts?
Where did I say that we would have? You are dodging the question. There is no evidence that this symbol was made to indicate DNA. Why, then, do you think that there is some connection between DNA and this symbol?
This doesn't answer the question. What is the mechanism by which each zodiac sign's position on the chart is determined by the planets?
Think of the symbols as coordinates
To what?
Originally posted by dzonatas
Perhaps, you didn't understand my response to your question.
Given the symbols and mechanics pre-existed before the discovery of DNA is noted, then that leads to the possibility that it was the cause of why DNA is structured and appears as it does to us now.
The modern day discoverers of DNA used the term "double helix" obviously from these past decades of knowledge about "double helix" formations, like the snakes wound on the staff. That is evidence, it's just in the opposite direction of discovery from what you expect, from what I gather so far from how you ask these questions.
This is only initial research on my end, and that is the answer that means I don't conclude any exactness of how everything works about this. What I have done is draw upon several studies throughout the years. Don't recursively ask me for all references and sources because that would be more than 30 years of research to source.
I have purposely left this open-ended to make sure it is non-deterministic.
The hopes is not to professionally debunk this so fast due to lack of concrete evidence to support every reason for everything
It's obvious if we multiply 6 by 2 we get 12 which is the zodiac number.
I have not seen many people try to put the chakras and zodiac together, so I denied ignorance and did just that to put them together.
And, welcome to this website, as I see you are new.
Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by dzonatas
Here's a similarity you have overlooked: neither have been demonstrated to exist.