Treason Via Proxy : It Takes Two To Tango, Refuse To Dance, and Stop the False Flag Operation

This thread is about the ability of those in power to make you commit a "False-Flag Operation", via proxy, through pushing you into a treasonous action, in other words, putting you clearly and concisely into the "framed up" position of the patsy.

Those of you on ATS know about individuals such as Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh, and now Andrew Joseph Stack III, and how we have an "Official Story", and the ever famous and obviously disputed "conspiracy theorist's" many different angles, versions, and perspectives.

No matter which one we happen to believe, as a society though, one thing is imminently clear, or should be, and as the old saying goes, it takes two to Tango.

As I was answering a poster on the thread below that saying came to my mind.

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

If you remember that the J.F.K. assassination was allegedly between one man, Lee Harvey Oswald, and his assassination target, J.F.K., and the Oklahoma City Bombing was between the idiot Timothy McVeigh and his alleged target, the Federal Government, for what he was alleged to have seen as a revenge of sorts for Waco, and the most recent event of Andrew James Stack III and his target, the I.R.S., it is apparently the "lone nut" we must watch out for, someone with a difference of opinion, against the grain, who goes against the flow.

Andrew Joseph Stack III : A Hopeful for the Darwin Awards

We must remember that saying though it takes two to Tango and not get wrapped up ourselves into the genre of conspiracy theorizing, and get sucked in.

If we are not careful we could ourselves be set up for the imminent danger of being manipulated via the means of our convictions, and be pushed into the dance.

It is my theory that people like Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh, and Andrew Joseph Stack III, are not necessarily individual "lone nut's", but individuals who just might have gotten so close to the truth, that specialized teams were sent out and set up into a configuration to isolate these individuals and play them.

Treason Via Proxy : It Takes Two To Tango, Refuse To Dance, and Stop the False Flag Operation

How exactly might you stop yourself from being sucked in because we must remember these individuals are highly trained, they have a mission, and they have deniability?

They would have a conglomerate they answer to, eventually, but a team leader, in the field, and be cut off from each and every angle by deniability, by distancing from the top, and via compartmentalization, so as to not allow you to ever figure out who they were.

So, if it takes two to Tango, would you be lured into the dance, or could you walk away?

I believe a commission of an act of treason, via proxy, is still a commission of treason.

So, to me, the group sent to push me, would be guilty of the treason, as well if I carried it out.

I would never fall for the bait of such an elaborate trap because I am aware of my surroundings at all times, and as well I use my brain, I exercise it extensively, by reading immensely, watching for the ever elusive Agent Provocateurs who might come.

Hopefully, they are never stupid enough to cross my path, because I am ever vigilant.

Remember, following this team, or even several teams, acting independently, may convey to you to take the poisoned fruit, to tempt you to take power, or even lure you with promises which are so elaborate and false, that you are not watching for the catch.

The catch is of course that you owe them for whatever promised power, whatever favor they curried from you, or whatever poison they deliver, the real danger is not in the metaphorical poison, but what it may mean to you in the future.

Would You Accept Illegal Power If It Was Offered To You?

I am someone who knows about power, who knows how to get it, but never take it unless is in necessary, but there are those out there who believe they can wield it.

The problem however is that the power that is given is power that is not earned.

It is a false sense of power and a false premise because if it is given it can be as easily taken away.

Remember well that if you are selected it is because you fit the profile of someone who is already isolated, someone who is seen as a loner, or acts like a loner, and that your individuality is and has been scrutinized by many different angles.

These people might offer you power when they see it is out of your grasp, they might offer you drugs if it is your vice, they might offer to buy you elaborate gifts if your sense of due station in life is not where you believe it should be, they might offer to get you connected to a beautiful woman when you are already married.

The list can go on and on and for each vice, for each promise, for each offer, a trap is set.

Pusher : Cerulean Blue, Pushing the Lie, and Psychological Operations

You might be having yourself set up and framed for something you thought was legitimate.

The question is will you fall for the baited trap because of your own greed?

And will you get nailed because you cannot walk away?

Treason Via Proxy : It Takes Two To Tango, Refuse To Dance, and Stop the False Flag Operation

[edit on 20-2-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Phew! That is a lot to digest, SKL. When you dig into something, you really dig. It looks like this controversial topic has been given the China Syndrome. Now, to get to the matter at hand, and was Joseph Stack a pawn given a treason task by proxy? In other words, was he manipulated into doing a crazy thing without him even knowing it?

I am unsure, but I can't say it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he was. The human mind can be made to do anything with the proper nurturing, communications, narcotics, and subliminal impulses. These activities have been used by the CIA in their now infamous MK Ultra program from the 60's and 70's.

The examples you mentioned of Timothy McVeigh and Lee Harvey Oswald, certainly bring the idea of manipulation to fruition. Just looking back at Oswald in particular, just his appearance in those police press conferences showed a man who appeared aloof at the whole thing. It could have been fear he was feeling at the time, or that indeed he had no idea why circumstances put him in front of one of the most dastardly assassinations in history. I have always held the opinion that Oswald was a pawn or patsy. There is no way that man could have pulled off an assassination of such scope and orchestration alone. However, the official story begs to differ and I suppose the truth will remain an enigma, at least as long as I walk this earth.

Back to Stack, and if he was unknowingly coaxed into his suicide attack by some sinister cabal with in the highest echelons of government? Who can say, and chances are if elements were involved, they would have conducted business in such a way were it will never come back to them. However, like you, I see this thing kind of skewered.

I have a hard time seeing why the MSM would latch on to making this thing into a partisan slug-fest even before the fires were extinguished in Austin, when the facts I have seen only says the complete opposite. They are doing a disservice by choreographing a politic agenda under the guise of news coverage. Now, are they reading from the script of government, and is this a means to further divide the nation? Playing with the facts by these MSM endorsed commentators can lead to violence and peril to the nation and the population as a whole. They are playing with fire here, and it seems a blatant provocative move to turn us against each other. Thus, making a million or so Timothy McVeighs or Joe Stacks.

I hope the MSM is ready to accept the authoritarian government, they are opening the door for when this game they are playing finally explodes into something serious. I am not buying what they are doing one bit, and I wish the people would not feed into this partisan trap being placed by the MSM and those in power. This is boxer, Muhammad Ali's, "Rope a dope," but on a grand-scale. Keep up the good work, SKL!

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Jakes51, you hit the nail on the head with the rope a dope comment.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Rope-A-Dope

Rope-a-dope is a boxing fighting style commonly associated with Muhammad Ali (who coined the term) in the Rumble in the Jungle against George Foreman.

Technique

The rope-a-dope is performed by a boxer assuming a protected stance, in Ali's classic pose, lying against the ropes, and allowing his opponent to hit him, in the hope that the opponent will become tired and make mistakes which the boxer can exploit in a counterattack.

In competitive situations other than boxing, rope-a-dope is used to describe strategies in which one party purposely puts itself in what appears to be a losing position, attempting thereby to become the eventual victor.

Only the most inexperienced and under-qualified "fighter" would fall for that.

Someone who is an unseasoned and inadequate person, mentally speaking, would fall for that hook, line, and sinker, like Wyle E Coyote falling into the Roadrunner chase.

Wile E Coyote, Super Genius


He never remembers, the hare, in this case, Bugs Bunny, can be far smarter.

This is where the sheeple are seen as grazers of grass and the wolves slip in amongst them, luring what they see as a wolf into a complicated trap.

What then though if the person they see as a "lone wolf" is not a wolf?

Everyone was at one time, a sheeple, and there are those who are born as wolves, metaphorically speaking, but there are those as well, who bypassed that to become not only a shepherd, but a wolf hunter, hunting wolves trapping wolves.

To out-fox a fox, you have to think like a fox, and outsmart the hunter.

[edit on 20-2-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

I agree with most everything you state, a very cogent analysis for the most part.

Where we diverge, perhaps, is in the notion that "it takes two to tango" is only one aspect, true if you are aware you're sopposed to be dancing.

If you know enough about your target, it is easy to provide the framing of circumstances to drive any behavior you care to make the target do, without the target ever knowing that each move he "independently" makes has been preprogrammed and anticipated. All that is required is an agenda, access to large resources, and the will and ruthlessness to do it.

Do those in government have the motive, means, and opportunity? Yes, yes, yes. Does the corporate world likewise have the motives, means and poortunities? Yes, yes, yes.

People should review the criminal career of J. Edgar Hoover, the head of the FBI who abused his power and illegally investigated everyone in power, blackmailing them to keep and expand his own powers. He ran the FBI as a personal totalitarian fiefdom. So there should be no doubt as to either the ability or propensity of those in government and the corporate world to do such things, and do them for trivial reasons as well as grandiose ones.

Originally posted by apacheman
I agree with most everything you state, a very cogent analysis for the most part.

Thank you.

Originally posted by apacheman
Where we diverge, perhaps, is in the notion that "it takes two to tango" is only one aspect, true if you are aware you're sopposed to be dancing.

Of course, if the potential "dance partner" is aware of the "invitation".

But what if he or she is oblivious of the entire set of circumstances, or feigns stupidity?

What then for those would-be Wyle E. Coyotes?

Originally posted by apacheman
If you know enough about your target, it is easy to provide the framing of circumstances to drive any behavior you care to make the target do, without the target ever knowing that each move he "independently" makes has been preprogrammed and anticipated. All that is required is an agenda, access to large resources, and the will and ruthlessness to do it.

You are correct of course but there are some people out there who just know better.

And there are individuals out there who see these games idiots in Government play as small change, simplistic manipulation, and far easier to predict than a girlfriend's behavior.

In other words, they see the game as just as stupid, as the game players.

I've always hated the expression don't hate the player, hate the game.

Personally, I will not play nor "dance" if invited.

Originally posted by apacheman
Do those in government have the motive, means, and opportunity? Yes, yes, yes. Does the corporate world likewise have the motives, means and poortunities? Yes, yes, yes.

I concur with your assessment.

Originally posted by apacheman
People should review the criminal career of J. Edgar Hoover, the head of the FBI who abused his power and illegally investigated everyone in power, blackmailing them to keep and expand his own powers. He ran the FBI as a personal totalitarian fiefdom. So there should be no doubt as to either the ability or propensity of those in government and the corporate world to do such things, and do them for trivial reasons as well as grandiose ones.

I've read many many books on Hoover and I have to say he was an S.O.B.

And I'm not impressed because of his use of his power to manipulate power, he does not impress me in the least, he's a small-minded cretin, as far as I'm concerned.

Think about his abuses as nothing more than committing more crimes than he stopped.

That's how I see it because all he was, was a criminal in a suit, in office.

[edit on 20-2-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

These are excellent cover stories, recited with religious conviction, but unfortunately wrong. I think he was murdered and his body stuffed in a remote control plane for a false flag effect by some blackwater xe types. The funny thing regarding McVeigh is that he seemed to think he was going to live, up to the end. He had so much arrogance. He thought he was going to get whisked away to another secret CIA assignment. He didn't really believe they would just kill him. When Nichols found out he was truly dead, he was seen balling in the courtroom, no arrogance for him.

[edit on 21-2-2010 by m khan]

To out-fox a fox, you have to think like a fox, and outsmart the hunter.

To outfox a jarhead you don't have to think like a jarhead,
And by the by the mascot of the Fabian society, which is the precursor of the CFR is a sheep in wolf's clothing.

[edit on 21-2-2010 by m khan]

Originally posted by m khan
These are excellent cover stories, recited with religious conviction, but unfortunately wrong. I think he was murdered and his body stuffed in a remote control plane for a false flag effect by some blackwater xe types. The funny thing regarding McVeigh is that he seemed to think he was going to live, up to the end. He had so much arrogance. He thought he was going to get whisked away to another secret CIA assignment. He didn't really believe they would just kill him. When Nichols found out he was truly dead, he was seen balling in the courtroom, no arrogance for him.

[edit on 21-2-2010 by m khan]

To out-fox a fox, you have to think like a fox, and outsmart the hunter.

To outfox a jarhead you don't have to think like a jarhead,
And by the by the mascot of the Fabian society, which is the precursor of the CFR is a sheep in wolf's clothing.

[edit on 21-2-2010 by m khan]

Well, I am not sure about the remote control plane idea, but I appreciate an alternative idea.

All it would take would be something the public does not know about and will never know.

Or something he was so terrified of the public knowing that was held against him.

As for McVeigh, I've never bought the whole "Official Story", because it's crap.

Just like J.F.K. and Oswald, that dance was a highly controversial one, and I never bought it.

There are far too many things left open to question and far too many things that one person could not do on their own, and it is a false dichotomy, a false trail.

All of these "False-Flag Operation's" are nothing more than silent groups pushing.

It is merely a distraction to make us fear our neighbors and trust Government.

As for the Fabian Society, I believe you got the mascot backwards, a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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Quote from : Wikipedia : Fabian Society

The Fabian Society is a British intellectual socialist movement, whose purpose is to advance the principles of social democracy via gradualist and reformist, rather than revolutionary, means.

It is best known for its initial ground-breaking work beginning late in the 19th century and continuing up to World War I.

The society laid many of the foundations of the Labour Party and subsequently affected the policies of states emerging from the decolonisation of the British Empire, especially India.

Today, the society is a vanguard "think tank" of the New Labour movement.

It is one of 15 socialist societies affiliated to the Labour Party.

Similar societies exist in Australia (the Australian Fabian Society), Canada (the Douglas-Coldwell Foundation and in past the League for Social Reconstruction) and New Zealand.

I read about them in a few books and they to me are nothing but criminals in suits.

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