Israeli Ambassador to the US Booed off Stage at USI

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
First and probably only time you'll see a group of students this diverse. Looks like a lot of Arabs, most likely they're Muslim, and a few Whites that look like they'll be Conservative Christians.

...that wasnt the first nor will it be the last time we'll see a diverse group protesting... back in the 60s & 70s, the ethnicity and/or religious orientation of protesters was far more diverse...

Originally posted by December_Rain
Ironic isn't it when people are being arrested and jailed for speaking. Shows the power Israel has over America.

...its not ironic... its a very old standard that has nothing to do with israel's alleged power over the usofa... none of the UCI protesters were surprised that security was standing close by ready to take them into custody - because - it was expected - because - there is no constitutionally guaranteed right to freedom of speech on private property...

It's not what I meant because all I heard were students with foreign accents or a women covered in here dress complain. I feel if they are not Palestine them selves then maybe its their genuine dislike of Jews.

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Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
there is no constitutionally guaranteed right to freedom of speech on private property...

Hmm, interesting. Seeing as they are students at that institution and they have PAID to be there, why aren't their rights protected? Why are the right of the staff that are paid by students tuition more important than those that fund the institution?

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Or are these peoples rights more important?

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www.dailypilot.com...

"Islamic group defends student protest: District attorney should drop charges against 11 students because the incident took place on campus, says CAIR," by Tom Ragan for the Daily Pilot, February 16 (thanks to Twostellas):

A pro-Islamic group is urging UC Irvine to drop disciplinary actions against a group of students who were arrested after protesting the Israeli ambassador's presence on campus by intermittently interrupting him during a speech last week.
In all, 11 students, many of whom yelled and screamed in protest, were detained and cited by campus police for causing a ruckus during Ambassador Michael Oren's speech. Their tones at times reached fever pitch, according to scenes from the event that were captured in a video posted on YouTube.

Oren was trying to speak about diplomatic relations between Israel and the United States, but was interrupted so often that he had a hard time delivering his message, UCI officials said.

The matter has been forwarded to the Orange County district attorney for possible criminal prosecution, but a decision won't be made until later this week because the office has not yet received the complaint, said Susan Schroeder, spokeswoman for the D.A.'s office.

But the D.A.'s office should drop the charges because the incident occurred on campus, said the Anaheim office of a pro-Islamic group, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

"We feel this is a campus event. It was noncriminal, nonviolent and nonthreatening," said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of CAIR's Greater Los Angeles Area office. "Off-campus police should not be involved in such matters. The D.A.'s office shouldn't be involved in such matters. It was just a bunch of students who spoke out at a student event."

If the campus decides to pursue disciplinary action, then it would only be perceived as "selective enforcement," Ayloush said, adding that the campus probably does not want to be viewed in such a light.

"We strongly see the protest as a matter of free speech, regardless of whether one agrees or disagrees," he said. "Students complain all the time, they interrupt all the time, or they boo people all the time. This is nothing new. People have yelled to me, 'Go home, you terrorist,' and I take it. I don't complain."...

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This is why I knew they were Muslims from this article I read else where, the white folks putting the fingers up were fed up no guess of not being able to hear the guest speaker so rudeness was replied with rudeness after their bubble burst.

The students’ names were released last week. They are: Shaheen Waleed Nassar, Joseph Tamim Haider, Osama Ahmed Sabry Shabaik, Mohamed Mohy Eldeen Abdelgany, Taher Herzallam, Ali Mohammad Sayeed, Assaad Traina, Mohammad Qureashi, Khalid Bahgat Akari, Aslam Akhtar, Hakim Nasreddine Kebir.

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Maybe Americans have become multicultural decided to change their names?


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Just a quick explanation here. In Bosnia there are 3 main majorities:
Serbs, Croats and Muslims.
The thing with those white, blue eyed and blue haired folks is because they are Serbs who many years ago accepted a Muslim religion in order to stay on their land, their homes. If they refused, they were killed by the Ottomans against whom they fought for 500 years.
Thy are not to be confused with middle eastern People just because they happened to be Muslim.
No gen connections whatsoever, in fact Bosnian Muslims in 98% of cases eat pork as we do. They are not religious types, just some of them.

Who cares if their grades are failing. They earned an A+ from me for standing up to that guy.

Originally posted by Jinni

Originally posted by The time lord

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I'm quoting your post!

Originally posted by The time lord
Was it only Muslim students complaining or was it white folks too?

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[edit on 20-2-2010 by Jinni]

White folks were complining to the Muslim students for disrupting the event not during the speeches. Here are the names of the students.
Next time a Muslim comes into campus I am sure everyone will get up and shout at him.

The students’ names were released last week. They are: Shaheen Waleed Nassar, Joseph Tamim Haider, Osama Ahmed Sabry Shabaik, Mohamed Mohy Eldeen Abdelgany, Taher Herzallam, Ali Mohammad Sayeed, Assaad Traina, Mohammad Qureashi, Khalid Bahgat Akari, Aslam Akhtar, Hakim Nasreddine Kebir.

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Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
there is no constitutionally guaranteed right to freedom of speech on private property...

Originally posted by intrepid
Hmm, interesting. Seeing as they are students at that institution and they have PAID to be there, why aren't their rights protected?

...students are paying for services rendered on private property... students do NOT own the property...

Originally posted by intrepid
Why are the right of the staff that are paid by students tuition more important than those that fund the institution?

...(1) you are presuming to know who funds the institution and how allocations are dealt out... (2) you are presuming that the rights of the staff are honored more than the rights of paying students... (3) you are presuming that just because you pay for services on private property that it somehow gives you a degree of ownership of said private property...

lol @ private property suspends the constitution... ROFL!
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Isn't UCI publicly tax funded property? I wonder to what degree it's 'privateness' may be maintained.

WHO CARES IF IT IS OR ISN'T.

THESE PEOPLE PROTESTED AGAINST TYRANNY AND GENOCIDE. WHO CARES WHAT PEDOPHILIAC JUDGES AND LAWMAKERS SAY IS LAWFUL AND UNLAWFUL.

Under the law of God, it is a duty of man to confront evil.

Anyone who makes excuses against this is a terrorist sympathiser.


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Good questions.

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...(1) you are presuming to know who funds the institution and how allocations are dealt out...

No, I'm not. Is this a free college? Not likely, they don't exist. Places of higher learning wouldn't exist without the tuition from the students.

(2) you are presuming that the rights of the staff are honored more than the rights of paying students...

No assumption here at all. We saw the protest. We also saw a Jewish prof telling the students that they are going to fail their exams. Looks cut and dried to me.

(3) you are presuming that just because you pay for services on private property that it somehow gives you a degree of ownership of said private property...

One question. If you pay for a hotel room, would you be OK with the management interupting your space? No, you've paid for your right to that space. Same as students paying for their university experience. Without that money, the staff would be looking for work. If this is any indication of how the staff works at UCI, I'm sure they could get a job at Bejing U.

Well I think many of you in US are nice and decent people..but your society start to crack, i mean here in sweden we have our flaws to but your jews have way to much influence in society..as the so called teacher in the end of the tape, shouldn´t has the right so set grades..

Reading some of the threads in this forum is quite funny. This is how it starts. Some guy saying he wants a violent time of protest/revolution. While some agree and others disagree, the disagreeing group advocates peaceful protests as means of change. Ok, so then, for example, you have these students exerting a form of peaceful protest. We now have non violent protesters. Now its cut into a further sub-category. We have the people who applaud these students, and other advocates for peace saying how they shouldn't have done it this way. It seems like every form of protest is criticized by some group. So, then you question, the people who actually get out and protest, get criticized for doing so in the WRONG way, even if its peaceful, so they go home and never do again. ONLY to then, be criticized for sitting at home doing nothing.

Originally posted by mryanbrown
lol @ private property suspends the constitution... ROFL!
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So somebody can shout at you in your own property if you've invited them in, and you wouldn't want them removed from your property because the constitution states free speech to all?

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If you pay for a hotel room, would you be OK with the management interupting your space? No, you've paid for your right to that space. Same as students paying for their university experience.

What about the other students rights who wanted to listen to the ambassador speak??? Those few students don't own the property, and there are rules to adhere to. They made their choice, didn't adhere to the rules so were thrown out. They did get to speak, nobody muffled them and they are allowed as long as they accept the consequences. Once shouldn't have severe consequences, but repeat offenders may have. I can respect their choice if they can accept proportional consequences.

They probably didn't just inappropriately offend the Jews and uni staff, but also other students who were sat expecting to listen to the ambassador.

They would probably get their message across by using a method that wouldn't get them thrown out because this way makes them look extreme to the casual observer.

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NO JEWS WERE HARMED IN THE FILMING OF THIS MOVIE

These were the scenes outside the University....




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There was no need to protest when they knew they had a question and answer section after the speeches, it was plane rudeness and that is all it was.

The only thing stopping the people of Gaza peace is fear from them selves, many no doubt would intergrate with Israel but they are hostage to propraganda fear and religious texts that explicitly say Jews are hated and should be killed, even their koran prophecies say that all Jews will be killed when Jesus and the Mardhi arrive in the end times. Then add the how many verses Muhammad killed the Jews and enslaved their women then I doubt in their psyche they have deep routed respect anyway for such a group. This is what is stopping them not Israel, Jews and Christians have religious rights too there ut with an Islamic based political system they will religiously make it illegal for such people to be there if not punishible if they were.

Oren was born Michael Bornstein in upstate New York. His father was an officer in the U.S. Army who took part in the D-Day invasion of Normandy in 1944 and fought in the Korean War.[2] Oren grew up in New Jersey in a Conservative Jewish household. As the only Jewish boy in a Catholic neighborhood, he says he experienced anti-Semitism on a daily basis. In his youth, he was an activist in Zionist youth groups such as USY and a gold medal winning athlete in the Maccabiah Games.[3] At 15, Oren made his first trip to Israel with youth movement Habonim Dror, working on Kibbutz Gan Shmuel.[4]

In 1977, Oren completed his undergraduate degree from Columbia University. He continued his studies at Columbia, receiving a Masters in International Affairs in 1978 from the School of International and Public Affairs[5] After college, he spent a year as an adviser to the Israeli delegation to the United Nations headed by Yehuda Blum.[6] In 1979, Oren immigrated to Israel.[7] A few years later, Oren returned to the United States to continue his education, studying at Princeton University. In 1986, he earned a Ph.D. in Near East Studies.[8]

[edit] Military service
In 1979, Oren joined the Israel Defense Forces. He served as a paratrooper in the 1982 Lebanon War.[9] His unit was caught in a Syrian ambush on the second day of the war. His commander was killed and nearly everyone was wounded. He then joined a unit stationed in Sidon. Oren married in the summer of 1982 and returned the next day to Beirut. [10] During the 1991 Gulf War he was Israeli liaison officer to the U.S. Sixth Fleet.[9] He served as an army spokesman in the IDF Reserves during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict.[9] During the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict, he was a media relations officer.[11]

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I can't beLIEVE what you lower animals are saying. Know this; the God of Abraham, the forefather of those Arabs, stated 'I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you'. So you are bringing Gods' calamity on your selfs.

Originally posted by mryanbrown
lol @ private property suspends the constitution... ROFL!

Yeah Slavery is legal then as long as it is on private property...

I mean some people have no clues at all.

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In the past, Jews and Christians could coexisist with the Muslims, but they were required to pay an extortion fee, lovingly called a 'tax'. It is only now that they simply cut off our heads.