F.B.I. Closes 2001 Anthrax Case

The New York Times published an article on 2/19/10 on the front page of it's website, written by Scott Shane, which reports that the F.B.I. is closing the investigation into the 2001 anhtrax letter attacks that occurred in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. A new F.B.I. report contains formerly unreleased details in painting Bruce E. Ivan, a former U.S. Biodefense scientist, as the lone actor in the 2001 anthrax attacks in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. In the article, it is mentioned that co-workers were skeptical of the idea that Ivan had masterminded and committed the attacks. I posted it here because either way you view the source of the attacks, the events of 9/11 played a part in their commission, and the attacks obviously had an effect on our country in terms of innocent lives, fear, and in real-world financial consequences.
Here is the Link; Debate amongst yourselves.......

www.nytimes.com...

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Bruce E. Ivin had nothing to do with those attacks and is fighting a very good case to prove his innocence. He has been featured on 20/20, CBS News and other shows that have already proved he was being scape-goated. The FBI has no evidence to tie anyone with these attacks and he was just the right person in the wrong place at the most oppurtune time for the FBI to pounce upon him.



clarifiaction: His family is proceeding with a lawsuit

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Ivan is dead. The official cause? Suicide in 2008.

reply to post by moonzoo7


His family is enagaged in a lawsuit with the gov over this in order to clear his name. He was top defense researcher in this field and it is widely believed that when he spilled a small amount of a vaccine containing anthrax on him then walked home (he lived on gov property) to wash his pants his supervisors were very upset with him. He lost access to his own lab after that. But the amount he spilled was NOT dangerous and it was a veterinary vaccine strain. People do not know that cows carry active anthrax and the amount he spilled was less dangerous than what cattle carry.

Family members and some of his co-workers believe the FBI focused on him because he commented on how easy it would be to send the anthrax through the mail in an innocent conversation with some friends and someone who overheard this reported him to the FBI and you know the rest of the story from there. Even though some people say that Bruce "acted strange" during his final days before he killed himself, there are more people that attribute that behavior to the treatment by the FBI towards him than anything else. The FBI released information without proof that he "may be" responsible for the anthrax mailings even though there never any evidence linking him to any aspect of the anthrax-mailings case. He often spoke of how he was being framed for something he didn't do.

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If the great FBI does not want to catch criminals then I say we shouldn't have them around let alone pay them to do nothing but obstruct justice. The old FBI standard has been replaced by corruption and political expediency. It really begs the question just how such a multi-billion dollar federal agency can spend so much money investigation so many crimes and yet not ever discover any truths let alone bring anyone to justice. Why is every case a national security issue? We all know it's just an excuse and blatant lie and not the actual basis for not being able to pursue some crimes against the nation.

If the truth is known but begin kept secret, then someone of courage from the FBI needs to stand up and speak up about all the unsolved crimes plaguing our nation. The corruption affecting this nation has gone cancerous and if it doesn't stop soon, the patient is going to die and so will all the fleas feeding off the same dog. Maybe that's what needs to happen. I don't really know.

These days the FBI is portrayed as nothing but a political arm for injustice and represents more about incompetence than professional responsibility or accountability. Real law men everywhere are saddened by what has happened to the FBI's credibility these days.

It is however a continued affirmation that as a nation we have some issues and our Justice Dept is at the heart of what plagues this nation. Without justice, freedom can not exist and the message they give the public these days is that they are too busy to care what we think. Shut up or die is getting to be the new FBI slogan.

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I "starred ya" as that was very well written for sure!!

However the reason we do not see any whistle blowers from the FBI is that they know they will end up with the same fates as Terrence Yeakey.

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Mailed Anthrax Was A Warning from Al Qaeda Ross E. Getman, Esq. - 10/4/2006

I recently obtained a journal article from an FBI Lab scientist that explained that: "Individuals familiar with the composition of the powders in the letters have indicated that they were were comprised simply of spores purified to different extents. However, a widely circulated misconception is that the spores were produced using additives and sophisticated engineering supposedly akin to military weapon production. ... The persistent credence given to this impression fosters erroneous preconceptions, which may misguide research and preparedness efforts and generally detract from the magnitude of hazards posed by simple spore preparations." I passed the article on to journalists because it was important that the public understand that Ayman Zawahiri and his supporters had the means and know-how to make the anthrax mailed as a warning in the Fall of 2001. Now Al Qaeda in Iraq has called for biological warfare against troops stationed in Iraq. The spokesman, Ayyub al-Masri, pointed to the continued imprisonment of Egyptian cleric Omar Abdel Rahman, who was found guilty in 1995 of conspiracy to attack US targets including the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center in New York. Al-Masri, according to the US military, has a history of terrorism that the U.S. military dating back to Anwar Sadat's assassination in 1981, after which he joined a group in Egypt led by Osama bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

www.globalpolitician.com...

When I saw the title of this thread I remembered an article that I read some time ago. With some searching I uncovered the article I remembered reading. It is from the Global Politician website if that means anything to anyone. I'm not sure of its accuracy or affiliations, I just remembered the article and figured that it goes good here.

That whole thing with the anthrax never sat right with me. Even the people that they said they were investigating just didn't seem right. I know there is a whole lot more to the story than what we are being fed. I for one do not believe the official story and the fact that they are closing this case doesn't seem right either.

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The whole anthrax case serves as a prime example of incompetence and negligence within the FBI efforts to adaquately investigate it and either derive at a conclusion within some degree of assurance or just deem it an open on-going investigation. But what they did was jump on an innocent defense worker whose only fault was an accident in his own lab and built a case out of that because of the pressure to close that investigation.

Hi everyone,

Not to take this off-topic but we should all know of the UK case of Dr David Kelly the weapons expert who also was a victim of state sponsored suicide. And now the evidence won't be released for 70 years, even though no autopsy was performed.

images.google.co.uk...://www.yenra.com/anthrax-letters-pictures/anthrax-letter-picture-1a.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.yenra.com/an thrax-letters-pictures/&usg=__oQc7PwrbEB6t4MAC-NRS3xs13CE=&h=388&w=400&sz=35&hl=en&start=14&itbs=1&tbnid=2kyrZ8nT55RebM:&tbnh=120&tbnw=124&prev=/image s%3Fq%3Danthrax%2B9/11%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26tbs%3Disch:1

These show the anthrax letters (don't know how to paste the images on a Mac could someone put them on this thread), now why would a US scientist write this?!? In answer to my question, he didn't.

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Bruce E. Ivin the perp. and nothing but the sole perp. ?



i have it from (to me) a credible source, that the Anthrax attacks
~one week after the 3 targets were hit by commandeered aircrafts~
was a piling-on episode, used by a college aged Neo-Nazi during this
period of confusion, for no political end, but just to kill & harm

I have not read of any ties Mr Bruce E. Ivin had with any neo-nazis...

So my conclusion is: that facts / evidence is being kept secret -or-
he is an innocent person.

reply posted on 19-2-2010 @ 06:04 PM by jackflap


[...] That whole thing with the anthrax never sat right with me.
Even the people that they said they were investigating just didn't seem right.
I know there is a whole lot more to the story than what we are being fed.
I for one do not believe the official story and the fact that they
are closing this case doesn't seem right either.

thanks,


NOTE

credible source; trance 'Vision' or today's 'Remote Viewing' episode

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One thing that doesn't quite jive here is if Ivins was the person who did this, why did the White House staff and former president Bush begin taking Cipro on 9/11?

This by itself would imply some serious inside Intel considering that a month later the Anthrax attacks would start and they (government officials) would be the some of the targets. Due to their treatments however they all had nothing to worry about.

Yet it still takes all of this time to pinpoint a suspect? How is it possible they had enough information to know the attacks were coming and know exactly what to take to defend against the attacks, yet not enough information to even have some idea who and where they were coming from?

I guess it's possible Ivins warned them directly?? But why would you warn the person your attacking in this type of attack? This would be like the Hijackers calling them on the 10th telling them they were going to hijack multiple commercial jets out of the east coast and crash them into new york and dc. Even more absurd is why, if they did receive a warning of a pending anthrax attack why would they keep it secret? Did they really choose potential deaths as a trade off for possible public panic?

This Judicial Watch page sums it up nicely. They have sent multiple FOIA's to multiple agencies wondering why/how they knew so early to take Cipro yet decided against warning any other government agency(let alone the public). None were successful, so they filed a lawsuit.

www.judicialwatch.org...

Judicial Watch represents hundreds of postal workers from the Brentwood Postal Facility in Washington, DC. Until the Brentwood facility was finally condemned by the CDC, Brentwood postal workers handled all of the mail for Washington, DC, including the “official mail” that contained the anthrax-laden envelopes addressed to Senators Daschle and Leahy. While Capitol Hill workers received prompt medical care, Brentwood postal workers were ordered by USPS officials to continue working in the contaminated facility. Two Brentwood workers died from inhalation anthrax, and dozens more are suffering from a variety of ailments related to the anthrax attacks. A variety of legal actions are being planned for the disparate treatment and reckless endangerment the Brentwood postal workers faced.

In October 2001, press reports revealed that White House staff had been on a regimen of the powerful antibiotic Cipro since the September 11th terrorist attacks. Judicial Watch is aggressively pursuing the disclosure of the facts and the decision for White House staff, and President Bush as well, to begin taking Cipro nearly a month before anthrax was detected on Capitol Hill.

One more thing, is it not unbelievable the little theory they have for the supposed (wild) code that he supposedly embedded into the messages on the anthrax letters? TTT TAT blah, blah...Can you imagine if some so called Truthers or so called Conspiracy theorists had come up with this idea. Oh the Debunkers would have a ball taking shots at that theory. Yet b/c the FBI has put forth this idea it will be regarded as genuinely brilliant by all of the OS believers.

I for one, if I saw it represented by a "truther" or the FBI would and do believe it's a giant load of you know what. It would be interesting to see if the normal OS believers actually swallow this up as the gospel and start proclaiming that indeed Ivins was just another Lone Gun Man (amongst what's beginning to become a crowd according to the FBI). Or if they themselves would question the FBI's opinion on this one, but I highly doubt they will.

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Case closed, move along now. Done Deal, they have the guy dead-or-alive.

Besides, he was one of YOU!

Anthrax suspect Bruce Ivins (linked to ATS)

From the above linked thread for those who don't bother to click...

Originally posted by nahsik

The documents also included a message board post by Ivins on a conspiracy theory website, www.abovetopsecret.com. Asking for replies at the e-mail address [email protected] , he wrote that the sorority had labeled him as an enemy decades ago. "I can only abide their 'Fatwah' on me," he said.

The posting was significant, according to a government document, because "in his own words Dr. Ivins defines the depth of his obsession" and knowledge of the sorority. The document noted that letters containing anthrax were deposited in a mailbox in Princeton, N.J., just 60 feet from a building the sorority used.

This was part of the story that really got me interested in the types of people that actually visit ATS. Wow! I didn't forget about the anthrax scare and I remember about this certain characters involvement.

www.latimes.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Wake up ATS..... You're all suspects just by being registered members here.

Don't become an enemy of the FBI.

They can get you too.... Dead or Alive!

The link in the opening post is to the main NYT page, this is a link to the actual news item...

www.nytimes.com...

Whether the voluminous documentation will convince skeptics about Dr. Ivins’s guilt was uncertain on Friday. Representative Rush D. Holt, a New Jersey Democrat and a physicist who has sharply criticized the bureau’s work, said the case should not have been closed.

“Arbitrarily closing the case on a Friday afternoon should not mean the end of this investigation,” Mr. Holt said, noting that the National Academy of Sciences was still studying the F.B.I.’s scientific work. He said the F.B.I. report laid out “barely a circumstantial case” that “would not, I think, stand up in court.”

Doesn't matter does it really?

If the FBI has concluded you are or were guilty the courts are irrelevant.

If he had lived a little longer, I'm sure they would have found child porn on his computer as well.

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Thank you for your contributions here. I tried to get a link to the actual item, but it gave me problems, so I settled for the page.

I was unaware of Ivans' connection to ATS. Interesting. Nice work.

I don't disagree with your theories concerning this case. However, in the name of objectivity, it's not inconceivable that the White House staff would be automatically put on a regime of various immunizations in the wake of a national security threat. It may be a Secret Service protocol, and it's a logical move.

That aside, I think the truth will be obscured with subterfuge in this area. Like many conspiracy theories and topics here on ATS, the real facts may never to come to light, and I think the mature stance is to accept that sometimes ( MANY times ) , "They" win. We may never know the truth. That doesn't mean that anyone in opposition to these corrupt forces should give up the good fight. Know how to pick your battles, folks......

Originally posted by moonzoo7

I was unaware of Ivans' connection to ATS. Interesting. Nice work.

Apparently the connection was inconsequential at best, and buried at worst.

The case against Ivans has taken a long time to build, and the FBI is confident in the finished product... After all he is dead, it is an easy out for them.

They are quite capable of either building or fabricating a case against ANYONE, I should know, I've seen it in action.

That aside, I think the truth will be obscured with subterfuge in this area. Like many conspiracy theories and topics here on ATS, the real facts may never to come to light, and I think the mature stance is to accept that sometimes ( MANY times ) , "They" win. We may never know the truth. That doesn't mean that anyone in opposition to these corrupt forces should give up the good fight. Know how to pick your battles, folks......

That is a 100% assured outcome... as always.

But there will be other opportunities to expose corruption within this seemingly unstoppable all-powerful federal agency.

Time and opportunity will run into them eventually, hopefully this time the truth will find its way here and elsewhere and live long enough to spread before being squelched.

For anyone interested in amazingly well crafted fiction including incredible special effects that will quite frankly fool even the best skeptics... You can go through the FBI report yourselves here...

www.nytimes.com...

Only 104 pages, it is a good read.




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Maybe we stand the risk of getting off topic, but it is my thread.....( It's not like this thread is on fire or anything! )....
Would you care to elaborate on what you've seen as far a case being manipulated or fabricated?

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Short answer... NO.

Not here, not now... but eventually.