Norway Spiral created by Eiscat (New Evidence)

Once we know more about this: refreshingnews9.blogspot.com...

This could very well change everything that we know about the spiral and the use of electromagnetic radiation by EISCAT. If this article says what I think it does, and trust me, its related, it would take very little electromagnetic radiation to create that spiral. Far less than 3.6 megawatts.

This is unbelievable. I am going to study the logistics of this on Monday after my midterms.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


The article is discussing spinning masses increasing their weight. Nothing to do with electromagnetic radiation. Nothing at all. In fact, the only pieces of equipment at EISCAT that are affected by this new discovery are the rotating parabolic radar dishes, and they're only affected because they rotate.

It seems you see anything that says "circle" or "spiral", and you assume, with absolutely no reason for doing so, that is somehow connected to the Norway spiral.

Why should we trust you when you admit to not knowing what the article is talking about, yet you claim it has to be connected to the Norway spiral. You just laid your complete lack of objectivity out on the table for all to see.

Give up already! It's clear to anyone who understands what objectivity is that you are not being objective. Calling yourself objective doesn't make you objective.

And, also, that experiment in the article hasn't even been peer-reviewed or replicated yet. So even if it DID have something to do with EISCAT (which it 100% doesn't) it hasn't proven anything yet. Not by a long shot.

But you're still there, claiming it is relevant. Oh dear oh dear.

reply to post by Wolfenz


Do you understand any of that? Seriously? Because if you do, you might want to explain to us how that demonstrates that the Russian missile explanation is false, how all the experts saying it was a Russian missile are wrong, and how this equipment can use hitherto-unknown aspects of physics to cause such a phenomenon.

You are still not making any sense. You talk about this stuff as if it's connected, yet can't ever make an actual solid connection beyond "it's to do with EISCAT, and that's in Norway, where the spiral was seen from".

[edit on 26-2-2010 by davesidious]

1-- ESICAT radar on at time of spiral -
2- - A million six hundred thousand directional watts available.
3--Name of experiment Tequila Sunrise.
4-- Spiral direction towards SUNRISE.
5-- Never a missile seen or photographed. Most damning fact.
6-- There is no argument you can bolster from any quarter that can rebuke these facts.
Time to toss it in.

Guess what I just did ?
I just head slapped myself ... for being patently stupid !

I've been busting a gut trying to disprove all this 'EISCAT having created the spiral event nonsense' when it suddenly occurred to me ... WHY haven't I examined and analyzed the spiral event from the viewpoint of someone standing right in the middle of the heater array on that December morning ?

So lets do exactly that and see what turns up !

Even before I start, it goes without saying that EVERY part of the spiral event MUST be visible from the heater array location ... there MUST be line of site viewing otherwise how could EISCAT create parts of the spiral in regions that it can't see ? After all, isn't one of the primary tenets held by Team EISCAT being that the heater array is steerable and can be pointed at ANY region of the sky ?


Ok, lets start by looking at this image, and for the time being, I'm going to (temporarily) allow the EISCAT heater array to be totally steerable and allowing the beam to be pointed in any direction.
I'm also going to (temporarily) disregard the exhaust plume as having NOTHING to do with EISCAT and furthermore, will assume that the EISCAT involvement begins with the point of creation of the blue spiral ... can you see how I'm bending over backwards to accommodate Team EISCATS belief

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3089782bef2d.jpg[/atsimg]

Immediately we have a major, major problem.
From EISCAT's heater array location, the point of origin of the blue spiral occurs LOW and BEHIND a 1,074 meter high mountain ... this means that even if it were possible for the heater array to be aimed in that direction, it couldn't possibly create the blue spiral as the heater array beam would have to pass directly through a solid mass of rock.
There is no other way for the heater beam to gain line of sight access to the blue spiral ... PERIOD !!

Here's the spiral event overlayed the EISCAT location .. and as clearly obvious ... no blue spiral is visible :

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/41b3c2b12a76.jpg[/atsimg]

And to head of any denial from Team EISCAT that the blue spiral can be seen from the EISCAT location, here's an overlayed image from the Tromso viewpoint :

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/da01e75bcb82.jpg[/atsimg]

As can be seen, the beginning of the blue spiral (and the exhaust plume) are below the peak of the mountain on the horizon. This peak is half the height (517 m) of the EISCAT peak (1074 m).
So if the lower part of the blue spiral cannot be seen from Tromso, there is NO WAY any part of the blue spiral will be visible from EISCAT, just 12 kms away from Tromso ... AND with a mountain twice the height of the Tromso mountain, directly between the EISCAT's observer and the start of the event.

Bear in mind this is not just me making all this up ... the physical geography of the EISCAT location prohibits the viewing of the entire spiral event.
Don't believe me ? Easy enough to check by those WILLING to lay down their 'documentary evidence' and actually do some REAL fact finding analysis !

With these obvious blue spiral problems evident ... imagine now trying to explain the exhaust plume (that I temporarily ignored), from the EISCAT heater array point of view. Beats me how Team EISCAT would try to explain the creation of the exhaust plume ... perhaps yet again assign some other new 'technological aspect' to the heater array to side-step this serious hole in their hypothesis.
Let me guess ... the 'Harvard document' states that EISCAT can easily transmit straight thru kilometers of mountain ... or perhaps, can transmit completely around the entire mountain.


Now if the above wasn't sufficient to finally put an end to this 'EISCAT did it' nonsense, then hold on as I'm not finished with you yet, Team EISCAT !

Team EISCAT is absolutely convinced that the EISCAT heater array was completely steerable and could be pointed so accurately at will and in any desired direction ... otherwise how else could it create the spiral event and have it move across the sky in the clearly observed trajectory ?

So, I spent a considerable amount of time trying to research this 'amazing' capability and essentially, came up with zip, nada, zero, nothing ... well, not quite ... as I found this little gem on EISCAT's own website, of all places, where they describe the technical capabilities of the heater array.

Let me quote ...

Tilting of the beam in the north-south plane up to about +/- 30 deg is possible.

So what are EISCAT actually saying ?
As you are more than well aware by now, I'm a great fan of pictures and images when trying to explain concepts and ideas ... just makes understanding that much easier.

You have to get it clearly understood that the EISCAT heater array is a physical assembly of transmitting/receiving antenna's permanently fixed into the ground ... there is NO physical movement possible .. NONE at all.
There is NO control motors attached and no way to shift their physical location.
So how do EISCAT alter the beam path/direction ? They do it by using software control of the amount of power being fed to various parts of the array, effectively redirecting power away from beam center.
Normally, the default radiative direction of the heater array is straight up into the sky ... the beam is directed at 90 degrees to the ground and aimed straight at the zenith, directly over the heater array.
But EISCAT states that it does have the capability to 'steer or move' the beam approximately 30 degrees away from the zenith ... however, EISCAT clearly states that this 30 degree movement can ONLY be done in either a north or south compass direction.
In other words, the beam can either point straight up ... or it can be pointed in a 30 degree offset northwards ... or it can be pointed in a 30 degree offset southwards ... AND NOWHERE ELSE !


So, having explained it's limited maneuverability, here's another image to put in visual form what EISCAT had to say about the degree or amount that the heater array beam can be "steered".

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6f8b5215c3e5.jpg[/atsimg]

As can be seen (and conformed by EISCAT themselves), the heater array does have limited directionality but only along a north-south meridian.

What it DOES NOT HAVE is the ability to be steered or pointed in any other direction, whatsoever.
In fact, looking at the above image, it's clearly obvious that the direction to the exhaust plume and blue spiral is easily 45 - 50 degrees offset from the heaters only possible (and very limited) north-south directionality.

You'd literally have to dig up the entire heater array assembly and reposition it if you wanted to give it directionality towards the spiral event.

And just to hammer it home in case it still hasn't sunk in :

The start of the spiral event is completely invisible to the EISCAT heater array because there's a dirty big mountain smack in between the EVENT and EISCAT itself !

R.I.P Team EISCAT

[edit on 26/2/10 by tauristercus] aaarrgghhhh ...what is it with the color command ???

P.S. Hey, Team EISCAT ... did you see from the above how REAL research, analysis and deductions are actually done !!!


[edit on 26/2/10 by tauristercus]

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instead of the heater try the uhf in trosmo in norway Kiruna in Sweden and Sodankyla in Finland

uhf steerable dishes all 3 on directing to the white sea ! as finland being the center point instead of tromso or vhf >?

EISCAT’s UHF radar is a tristatic system, which currently has a central frequency of 929.5 MHz. It comprises a transmitter at Tromso in Norway and additional passive receivers at Kiruna in Sweden and Sodankyla in Finland. The antennas and receiver hardware at all three sites are basically identical, although of course the transmitter is unique to Tromso. The receivers are also essentially the same as those used for the VHF radar. The UHF system has been operating since 1981, although in that time it has undergone major upgrades of the transmitter and receiver hardware, as well as extensive development of its experimental capabilities

he EISCAT Svalbard Radar (ESR) is a monostatic radar system located close to Longyearbyen on the island of Spitsbergen. It comprises two dishes, the fully steerable 32m dish, similar in design to those of the mainland UHF system, and a fixed 42m dish, which can operate only in the field-aligned direction. The ESR transmitter is modular in design, using 16 small klystrons based on TV transmitter technology. The transmitter has a central operating frequency of 500 MHz. First operations on the 32m dish occurred in 1996, and the second dish was inaugurated in 2000. Currently (January 2004) the two dishes cannot be used exactly simultaneously. However it is possible to alternate data dumps between the dishes on a timescale of approximately 5 seconds. Two receiver chains are available which (for instance) allow ion line and plasma line data to be recorded simultaneously. The operating system is essentially identical to the EROS4 operating system used on the mainland radars.

EISCAT’s VHF radar is a monostatic system at Tromso in Norway, which has a central frequency of 224 MHz. The VHF transmitter is housed in the same building as the UHF transmitter and the two transmitters share the same capacitor bank. The VHF antenna is a cylindrical paraboloid of dimension 40 x 120 metres, in four sections. It is steerable only in elevation, though a certain amount of azimuthal coverage is possible using phasing cables. The antenna can be configured in two ways. In one mode the total collecting area of the dish can be used as a single receiver. In the other mode, the dish can be split into two halves to allow transmission and reception of two independent beams. The receivers are essentially the same as those used for the UHF radar. The VHF system has been operating since 1985. In 2001, it underwent a major upgrade of the receiver hardware. There has also been a continuous improvement and development of its experimental capabilities.

please look at the site below this might help explaining white sea spiral

but im not solely saying that eiscat is all by itself a projectile involved as to be used as a buffer the starter if you will eiscat start your engines when this projectile get to this particular point



www.ips.gov.au...

reply to post by tauristercus

Tauristercus...these aren't teams. They really aren't. We are all people trying to find out what the truth is.

I hope everyone sees that.

This isn't a you verses me mentality. This is me verses a blatant lie mentality. Regardless of the outcome here, we've all been lied to.

The Russian govt. one way or the next, told a grandiose lie that needs to be exposed. And that's what I am trying to do. And I hope in the end, we can all be friends as I have no need to make enemies here.

[edit on 27-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Originally posted by Wolfenz
reply to post by tauristercus

 

instead of the heater try the uhf in trosmo in norway Kiruna in Sweden and Sodankyla in Finland

uhf steerable dishes all 3 on directing to the white sea ! as finland being the center point instead of tromso or vhf >?

EISCAT’s UHF radar is a tristatic system, which currently has a central frequency of 929.5 MHz. It comprises a transmitter at Tromso in Norway and additional passive receivers at Kiruna in Sweden and Sodankyla in Finland. The antennas and receiver hardware at all three sites are basically identical, although of course the transmitter is unique to Tromso. The receivers are also essentially the same as those used for the VHF radar. The UHF system has been operating since 1981, although in that time it has undergone major upgrades of the transmitter and receiver hardware, as well as extensive development of its experimental capabilities.

In the above, you are referring to RADAR systems that transmit a short-duration pulse and listen for an echo -they DO NOT and CANNOT be used as heater technology ... no matter how much you wish that they could.

And the rest of your last post is referring to other radar units ... none of which function even remotely as heaters.


Wolfenz, I'm saying this with all due respect BUT this is now really nothing more than clutching at straws and desperately trying to keep the EISCAT scenario in play ... despite the fact that I've presented much evidence to successfully demolish any possibility that EISCAT was responsible for the event in many of my posts.
Did you NOT read my last post ? How much more clearer do I have to be ? EISCAT as a valid hypothesis is well and truly DEAD now.


And as for the following link you supplied:
www.ips.gov.au...
what the heck does 'solar wind' research now have to do with EISCAT ?

This is from the papers intoduction:

In this paper we examine the geomagnetic signatures of solar wind impulses using magnetometer array data, a bistatic HF radar, and a co-located imaging riometer.

Look, I know it was your pet theory and you've put time and effort into it .. but there's no disgrace, when presented with undeniable contradictory evidence', in accepting the fact that what you believed in was incorrect.
That's just the way the scientific method works.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
reply to post by tauristercus

 

Tauristercus...these aren't teams. They really aren't. We are all people trying to find out what the truth is.

I hope everyone sees that.

Yes, you're absolutely correct in what you say ... and my apologies for giving indications that it was a YOU and US type of competition, which of course it never was.

But irrespective of the above, this entire thread has naturally 'evolved' into a discussion between 2 groups and essentially 2 contradictory hypotheses and our mutual attempts to basically 'remove the wheat from the chaff' and try to determine what may and what may not be possible, in our search for a viable explanation.

reply to post by tauristercus

So if the lower part of the blue spiral cannot be seen from Tromso, there is NO WAY any part of the blue spiral will be visible from EISCAT, just 12 kms away from Tromso ...

Is this correct? There are 4 Tromso pics that show the beginning of the blue spiral/haze.

With these obvious blue spiral problems evident ... imagine now trying to explain the exhaust plume (that I temporarily ignored), from the EISCAT heater array point of view. Beats me how Team EISCAT would try to explain the creation of the exhaust plume

Maybe..a missile was fired? Like I said before the one doesn't rule out the other.

So what are EISCAT actually saying ?

Potentially anything that covers up secret capabilities.

The start of the spiral event is completely invisible to the EISCAT heater array because there's a dirty big mountain smack in between the EVENT and EISCAT itself !

I have no way of verifying this myself but, what is "the start" of the spiral, the exhaust plume?

Bear in mind this is not just me making all this up ... the physical geography of the EISCAT location prohibits the viewing of the entire spiral event.

So what is it, the start, or the entire event?

Coupled with your statement;

So if the lower part of the blue spiral cannot be seen from Tromso,

wich is false, looking at the Tromso pics, I''m not convinced.

[edit on 27-2-2010 by Point of No Return]

Originally posted by Point of No Return
reply to post by tauristercus

 

So if the lower part of the blue spiral cannot be seen from Tromso, there is NO WAY any part of the blue spiral will be visible from EISCAT, just 12 kms away from Tromso ...

Is this correct? There are 4 Tromso pics that show the beginning of the blue spiral/haze.

In that case you must have some pics I haven't seen ... as far as I know I have located virtually every pic that's been published of the spiral event.

In fact, here's a comparison between the view from Tromso, as extracted from an extended Tromso vid, then overlayed over the Tromso direction/location the vid was shot from ... and another view clearly showing the blue spiral connection to a visible exhaust plume.
As you can see in the Tromso overlay, the origin point and the exhaust plume are NOTvisible.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fae9b33389f7.jpg[/atsimg]

With these obvious blue spiral problems evident ... imagine now trying to explain the exhaust plume (that I temporarily ignored), from the EISCAT heater array point of view. Beats me how Team EISCAT would try to explain the creation of the exhaust plume

Maybe..a missile was fired? Like I said before the one doesn't rule out the other.

Yes, it does ... why do I feel that, in my previous post, I have just wasted my time showing and proving that most of the blue spiral & exhaust plume are simply NOT visible from the EISCAT heater location ... there's a HUGE mountain blocking EISCATS view of the exhaust/blue spiral area !

The start of the spiral event is completely invisible to the EISCAT heater array because there's a dirty big mountain smack in between the EVENT and EISCAT itself !

I have no way of verifying this myself but, what is "the start" of the spiral, the exhaust plume?

Yes ... where the exhaust plume terminates is commensurate with the origin point of the blue spiral.

So if the lower part of the blue spiral cannot be seen from Tromso,

wich is false, looking at the Tromso pics, I''m not convinced.

Please show me the Tromso pic you're referring to.


Honestly, I have to admit complete confusion as to why you're all holding on to the idea that EISCAT was involved ... I just don't know how much more data research, evidence and analysis I have to do before it becomes clear to you that, if nothing else, EISCAT simply COULD NOT SEE the beginning stages of the spiral event formation.

If it couldn't see it, therefore it couldn't have initiated the spiral event ... then the inescapable logical conclusion is that it wasn't involved !!!

Originally posted by tauristercus

Originally posted by Wolfenz
reply to post by tauristercus

 

instead of the heater try the uhf in trosmo in norway Kiruna in Sweden and Sodankyla in Finland

uhf steerable dishes all 3 on directing to the white sea ! as finland being the center point instead of tromso or vhf >?

EISCAT’s UHF radar is a tristatic system, which currently has a central frequency of 929.5 MHz. It comprises a transmitter at Tromso in Norway and additional passive receivers at Kiruna in Sweden and Sodankyla in Finland. The antennas and receiver hardware at all three sites are basically identical, although of course the transmitter is unique to Tromso. The receivers are also essentially the same as those used for the VHF radar. The UHF system has been operating since 1981, although in that time it has undergone major upgrades of the transmitter and receiver hardware, as well as extensive development of its experimental capabilities.

In the above, you are referring to RADAR systems that transmit a short-duration pulse and listen for an echo -they DO NOT and CANNOT be used as heater technology ... no matter how much you wish that they could.

And the rest of your last post is referring to other radar units ... none of which function even remotely as heaters.


Wolfenz, I'm saying this with all due respect BUT this is now really nothing more than clutching at straws and desperately trying to keep the EISCAT scenario in play ... despite the fact that I've presented much evidence to successfully demolish any possibility that EISCAT was responsible for the event in many of my posts.
Did you NOT read my last post ? How much more clearer do I have to be ? EISCAT as a valid hypothesis is well and truly DEAD now.


And as for the following link you supplied:
www.ips.gov.au...
what the heck does 'solar wind' research now have to do with EISCAT ?

magnetic pulse

This is from the papers intoduction:

In this paper we examine the geomagnetic signatures of solar wind impulses using magnetometer array data, a bistatic HF radar, and a co-located imaging riometer.

Look, I know it was your pet theory and you've put time and effort into it .. but there's no disgrace, when presented with undeniable contradictory evidence', in accepting the fact that what you believed in was incorrect.
That's just the way the scientific method works.

did i say heater nope i did not if you really knew what im talking about here and instead of jumping the gun ! turn on your microwave ! put some plasma in it and close the door and enjoy the light show

during the tequila sunrise the uhf and vhf were at its full capacity at the same time as the norway spiral even when observer took noticed

microwave wave pulses from the uhf vhf steerable disk im not talking about heaters go ask a WW2 radar Operator put a pice of bread on the center of the radar or a witness that seen a phenomenon around power lines interference around a natural aurora / norther lights magnetic change _javascript:icon('')

if those UHF VHF or ESR steerable dish's can do that and aimed at a out of control missile accident or was a experiment what would of happen please tell me honestly i dont understand i admit it im not a rocket scientist or a radar tech _javascript:icon('') maybe your right im not arguing of your work at all

as alot of events happen around that area that is all to common university rocket payload experiments EISCAT it self aurora borealis Soviet testing around Finland and Norway territory even tho it in its own waters thank god that it did not exploded on a town in Finland
or Sweden or Norway did they find the debris of the missile ?

reply to post by Wolfenz


Wolfenz ... the thing that really, really, really bothers me so much is that I have gone to so much time and effort to research, collect and analyze the existing available data from the very day it happened ... instead of dragging up old, isolated and mostly irrelevant documents from the web.

Furthermore, I have shown in DETAIL how all my research, analysis and conclusions are in agreement with each other. I then go to the incredible trouble of trying to simplify my explanations and make them easier to understand by creating massive amounts of diagrams and imagery ... simply to get the key concepts across to you all.

But I've come to the conclusion that no matter how much effort and time I put into it .. and no matter what results I get indicating more and more and more that EISCAT was NOT involved ... it's all just a waste of time because as long as you can drag up some online document that has the words 'spiral' and 'EISCAT' mentioned together, then in your mind that is more than conclusive proof that EISCAT was the guilty party and all my research is essentially valueless and worthless.

It's just too bad that you (and the others) simply were not prepared to put in the necessary time to peer review my work ... instead, just wave a document or two around and hey, presto ... EISCAT did it.

Christ ... you didn't even take the time to comment on my evidence that the EISCAT heater could not even see the beginning of the spiral event as the view from EISCAT was blocked by a bloody great big mountain !!

Well, that's finally it ... I'm now officially done wasting my time on you lot ... continue believing EISCAT was the responsible party ... even though the mountain of hard, provable and overwhelming evidence is staring the collective lot of you right in your collective faces ... your attitude is simply pathetic, is the final thing I have to say to you all !

[edit on 27/2/10 by tauristercus]

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Excellent work T,

You've got me convinced but I don't see anyone from team EISCAT accepting it...

They'll certainly find something they believe disproves what you're saying even though they are all self proclaimed non-experts and really don't fully understand what they're talking about...

I'm just waiting for one of them to say that these waves can actually penetrate the mountains and still affect the missile from 800km away and 150km up.

I wonder, could the white spiral have been seen over that mountain by anyone who would've been standing on the ground right next to one of these radars?

If not, how would anyone at EISCAT have known that Russia launched a missile if they couldn't see it? Or better yet where to aim these radar?

And who tipped off EISCAT to the exact time of the launch??

Can you see where this story has to go if EISCAT was involved? Not to mention the risk they're assuming if Russia found out these geeks shot down their missile...

The only answer has to involve Russia being in on it...But why oh why would they let a NATO country shoot down their very very expensive missile when Russia clearly does not like NATO having a missile defense shield?

Let the conspiracy olympics begin

[edit on 27-2-2010 by PhotonEffect]

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
reply to post by PhotonEffect

 

I'm talking about observed evidence of the rocket going up into the air on the date of the spiral. This should not be hard to find as I can google rockets, or I can go to youtube and pick any number of rockets that are seen being launched all the time. Its not like we're talking about a UFO here. But, there is nothing for that date or that time. No one saw a rocket.

Ahh but people did see a rocket, they just don't know it, or refuse to believe it...

The only reason why you don't find any pictures of it going up is because no one noticed it until the white spiral started forming-- This is why all the videos and pics seem to capture the same moments, because that's when it was most noticeable

But regardless of that, there is video (and photgraphic) evidence of the rocket spinning out a spiral, you just don't believe that it was a rocket so naturally no video of one exists in your mind ...

But let me ask you this, have you found any photographic evidence from any of the other previous Bulava launches?

My guess is no. Does that mean then, that these rockets were never launched?

Your line of reasoning here is based on your preconceived notions that a rocket didn't cause the spiral...

[edit on 27-2-2010 by PhotonEffect]

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
reply to post by PhotonEffect

 

It is done, I have emailed him. Hopefully, I will be getting a response back shortly.

Brilliant-

I hope he responds.

Out of curiosity may I ask what you asked him?

And just like you asked me, but from my point of view, if he replies and says that EISCAT doesn't have the capabilities to do this and that you most likely misinterpreted the Harvard paper, will you finally abandon your stance on this?

Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

The article is discussing spinning masses increasing their weight. Nothing to do with electromagnetic radiation. Nothing at all. In fact, the only pieces of equipment at EISCAT that are affected by this new discovery are the rotating parabolic radar dishes, and they're only affected because they rotate.

It seems you see anything that says "circle" or "spiral", and you assume, with absolutely no reason for doing so, that is somehow connected to the Norway spiral.

Why should we trust you when you admit to not knowing what the article is talking about, yet you claim it has to be connected to the Norway spiral. You just laid your complete lack of objectivity out on the table for all to see.

Give up already! It's clear to anyone who understands what objectivity is that you are not being objective. Calling yourself objective doesn't make you objective.

And, also, that experiment in the article hasn't even been peer-reviewed or replicated yet. So even if it DID have something to do with EISCAT (which it 100% doesn't) it hasn't proven anything yet. Not by a long shot.

But you're still there, claiming it is relevant. Oh dear oh dear.

I guess this could be true if you are a sheeple standing on a flat earth.
Most scientific thinking folks, I think believe they stand on a huge mass of revolving planet.

reply to post by tauristercus


Your theory about the heaters and all that bunk is just stuff you made up .
I have been talking to your deaf ears here all through the thread and you ignore it. To your discredit I think.
The rocket could be the heater.
1.6 MEGA WATTS could also do it.
Beamed from a VHF directional radar.
No if ands or buts.
Until you can prove what the results of the Tequila Sunrise experiment are, then the case is no where near Closed.

reply to post by Wolfenz


Those RADAR installations are not able to cause anything visible in the ionosphere. Nothing. They are a completely different set of equipment for a completely different purpose.

reply to post by Donny 4 million


The rocket could be the heater? BWAHAHAHAHA! Now you've really lost it. Please show us how that is even possible given the size of the rocket involved, the size of the submarine that launched it, and how the hell they're going to fit in enough equipment in that tiny space, and the power generation machinery required to power it. Please. That would be hilarious.

The tequila sunrise experiments have been covered to death. Until you can prove they are what caused the spiral, anyone who thinks they have nothing to do with it can sleep safely.

This is getting utterly ridiculous. T performs some more fantastic research, and yet it's not enough. Now we're talking about rockets with in-built ionospheric heaters, RADAR sets that can perform what massive arrays of highly-powered antennae can't, and some bizarre conspiracy between Russia and Norway (or not, depending on the current whim of the claimants). ALL without evidence.

Give it up. Anyone who believes EISCAT has anything to do with this is not arguing from fact. They are arguing from belief, and belief alone. It's pathetic. This is the "Science & Technology" forum, not the "Insane crap I just made up to explain why I think scientists are teh sux0rs" forum.

NO one here can explain the Spiral event that lasted more that just a 3min or 5 min as some watcher of the spiral CLAIMs 12 Minutes ! I Do NOT understand how a rocket/Missile can last that long ( unless in space it would be just a pin point in the sky (center of the spiral)
but your calculations Taur says otherwise in which i believe in

can you honestly say taur that a projectile can last that long ?

(im not ruling out anything) was it a natural fluke that the missile made a near perfect spiral with a very faint cross hair ( i must be seeing things ) ? but there is not a single documentation and there is no video to show what so ever doing the same thing opps except the china spiral ! that lasted only 30 seconds but this spiral the norway spiral last more than 2 minutes (longest video recording ) seeing i can not show some evidance ideas theroys and im not showing fact ( and never said i was) as you think i am please show me in how missile can last that long

as ATS davedious say it was from space and taur's calculations say otherwise i believe in yours taur


I Wolfenz Do not Understand how a Rocket / Missile can stay in the Air
spinning around with a slight wobble but still balanced center orbit and the whole spiral moving slightly for the duration of at least 5 min ( put the times of all claims and dividing ) as no video is available yet that shows the spiral right from the beginning to prove all of us what happened

was there any sound of the event rocket exhaust ? ( unless it broke the sound barrier spinning around ) if its not in space no video or documents say that Ive seen of yet

still it yet to be explained the rocket duration and how it formed a near perfect circle i havent seen fire works do this either

another though here ( conjecture ) i seen some ancient cave / rock paintings in other forums that shows a Spiral in the sky that look like the norway spiral and Nostradamus painting that show a very close resemblance of the Norway Spiral center of Nostrodamus drawing/Painting (History Channel Nostrodamus 2012 )

i thought it was interesting

Nostordamus 2012 drawing/painting
bloggista.com...

norway spiral center
thephoenix.com...

im going pick the puzzle piece's up off the floor and research from scratch as im reaching for straws i say throwing darts or logs lol as we all are here

im seeing spirals everywhere i look im seeing the center spiral on my wirless linksys router ( linksys logo ) omg! its a sign that i must continue
lol

lova ya all