Corporate Media Blames Kamikaze Attack On Tea Parties

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
This might be the long awaited false flag. There is one way we will know for sure look at how they use it. If it is setup the will have a network setup already to use it as they see fit. The trick is to see how fast they get up and running with it.

And always watch the other hand.

Well, it could be that TBTB were simply waiting for something like this with a mechanism to snap into action when necessary. Why bother to actually go ahead and stage a false flag when you can just push the people hard, wait for some nutcase to flip out, and then use his crimes as a pretext for a clampdown? Less of a paper trail that way, fewer loose ends, and easiser all around. Just a thought.

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
... the murderous Lefty Ted Kaczynski...

I don't condone Kaczynski's crimes at all, but I don't think you can really get away with calling him a "leftie." His "manifesto" is full of condemnations of liberals and leftists.

For example, consider his words as follows. Don't really sound like the words of a "leftie" to me:

THE PSYCHOLOGY OF MODERN LEFTISM
6. Almost everyone will agree that we live in a deeply troubled society. One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism, so a discussion of the psychology of leftism can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of modern society in general.

7. But what is leftism? During the first half of the 20th century leftism could have been practically identified with socialism. Today the movement is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be called a leftist. When we speak of leftists in this article we have in mind mainly socialists, collectivists, "politically correct" types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like. But not everyone who is associated with one of these movements is a leftist. What we are trying to get at in discussing leftism is not so much a movement or an ideology as a psychological type, or rather a collection of related types. Thus, what we mean by "leftism" will emerge more clearly in the course of our discussion of leftist psychology (Also, see paragraphs 227-230.)

8. Even so, our conception of leftism will remain a good deal less clear than we would wish, but there doesn't seem to be any remedy for this. All we are trying to do is indicate in a rough and approximate way the two psychological tendencies that we believe are the main driving force of modern leftism. We by no means claim to be telling the WHOLE truth about leftist psychology. Also, our discussion is meant to apply to modern leftism only. We leave open the question of the extent to which our discussion could be applied to the leftists of the 19th and early 20th century.

9. The two psychological tendencies that underlie modern leftism we call "feelings of inferiority" and "oversocialization." Feelings of inferiority are characteristic of modern leftism as a whole, while oversocialization is characteristic only of a certain segment of modern leftism; but this segment is highly influential.

Source:
www.ed.brocku.ca...

With Obama's low approval rating, it's not a surprise that the one person who flew into the building hated him. The chances are very high that even a man walking in the street eating a hot dog hates Obama.

The same goes for people hating the IRS, taxes, the federal reserve etc.

Where's the proof that he wrote the suicide letter? Where's the proof that he was controlling the airplane when it hit the building? Where's the proof that he was a tea party member?

Maybe if his house hadn't been burned, evidence would have been found for the FBI's involvement. Kinda like WTC7

Originally posted by MightyAl

Where's the proof that he wrote the suicide letter? Where's the proof that he was controlling the airplane when it hit the building? Where's the proof that he was a tea party member?

There is no proof.

All there is, is media BS.

The media BS tomorrow should be intense. I will avoid it.

[edit on 19-2-2010 by muzzleflash]

reply to post by silent thunder


It will no doubt happen, after all, members in another thread justified the attack and wished more were killed.

So, what do you expect? Federal agents are not going to be enjoying certain posts.

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by silent thunder

 

It will no doubt happen, after all, members in another thread justified the attack and wished more were killed.

So, what do you expect? Federal agents are not going to be enjoying certain posts.

Who cares what other people think?

Or is this just a statement by the Thought Police ?

I really really do not care who wants who dead. I have better things in life to worry about than what random people I never met said on the Internet.

It's called E-Peen. Or "Internet tough guy".

This street goes both ways you know.

That is why I do not have time for caring about something that other people did not care about or cared about.

Caring about someone who didn't care (or cared) but being mad that they didn't care (or cared), is just a massive waste of time. Seriously, bake a cake or something.

Which tastes better?

Cake you are about to bake
OR
Getting mad about how others didn't share your moralities?

I am going with the Cake personally. It sounds delicious!

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by silent thunder

 

It will no doubt happen, after all, members in another thread justified the attack and wished more were killed.

So, what do you expect? Federal agents are not going to be enjoying certain posts.

I in no way, shape, or form condone this crime and my heart goes out to the victims.

However, I don't think there is anything wrong with speculating that some people in high places might possibly consider turning this tragedy to their advantage. I don't personally think this was any kind of "false flag" attempt, but at the same time I wouldn't say its impossible for a given individual or individuals in power to use it as pretext for cracking down further on civil liberties, either intentionally or unintentionally.

Originally posted by MightyAl
With Obama's low approval rating, it's not a surprise that the one person who flew into the building hated him. The chances are very high that even a man walking in the street eating a hot dog hates Obama.

The same goes for people hating the IRS, taxes, the federal reserve etc.

Where's the proof that he wrote the suicide letter? Where's the proof that he was controlling the airplane when it hit the building? Where's the proof that he was a tea party member?

Maybe if his house hadn't been burned, evidence would have been found for the FBI's involvement. Kinda like WTC7

I didn't hear any news station say he was "a tea party member"
That came from here.
He WAS called a disgruntled American pissed at the IRS but NOWHERE did his name come up in the same sentence as TEA PARTY on any major station I saw.
And the first station you hear the TEA PARTY connection made will be FOX News.
They will say the liberal media is blaming the TEA PARTIES!
And Fox News(?) will shamelessly quote the liberal bloggers writing in and not the network anchors themselves. Of course, they will not tell their viewers this last part.
The new Mass gov. (keep picturing him naked so his name escapes me) tried to make a little play for air time saying I hope it wasn't an American disgruntled over these Democratic policies - but maybe it was, after all they are so disgruntled they elected me! (I paraphrase) but even he didn't say tea party.

Other than that "tea party rumor" ...which you didn't start certainly -
...I agree with you 100%

This is all true. It is like a formula. I never thought about it but why WOULD the guy want to burn up his own house?
This is too weird. And why were there so few people working in the whole side of that building? Grateful for so few deaths but I wondered too,
don't those people work? What a waste of energy heating or cooling that whole section of building for a handful of employees?

You raise a provocative argument -Who is really behind this and why?


I can start with this...It isn't Obama.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
This might be the long awaited false flag. There is one way we will know for sure look at how they use it. If it is setup the will have a network setup already to use it as they see fit. The trick is to see how fast they get up and running with it.


And always watch the other hand.

Well by the end of the day Stack had already been taged as Tim McVey, Ted Kaczynski, anti gov tax "ranter", Tea Partier, attempted to kill wife and kid. He was even called a "self starter". On it goes.

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by silent thunder

 

It will no doubt happen, after all, members in another thread justified the attack and wished more were killed.

So, what do you expect? Federal agents are not going to be enjoying certain posts.

Its hard not to believe that there are not folks out there whos mission is to post this kind of thing to simply discredit the conversation and the site. But everybody knows that hopefully.

Originally posted by Lazyninja
Originally posted by rusethorcain

You put so much spin on so much inaccurate information I am ready to believe you myself. Follow the money right into the republicans lair and you will find them there sleeping with the young sons of the conservatives and the corporate bigwigs.

Sources for that?

It's clear there isn't a decent amount of money behind the tea party movement. If there was, the media would not be so organized against them.

The Republicans may be trying to cosy up to the tea party as some kind of method of sucking up potential votes. And then you got people like Palin who are quite happy to jump ship if they see a better deal going somewhere else, but that's about the extent of it. You're talking as if this is some kind of remarketing conspiracy on the part of the Republican party

Don't be so naive.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

With the repubtilians, it is like standing in the middle of a crop circle.
You can't see it until you get above it.
And they will never let you get above it, so you can't see it.
You are just in it.
Not even a player, more like a piece.

reply to post by xstealth


Okey, I'm gonna take this a step further. If the "un-biased" news media starts pounding this "tea Party" connection then I'm going to go with my first thought, this guys a sacrifice from the left to try an discredit the tea party movement.

If the main street media were actually serving the public they would be asking why were there witnesses at the scene of the crash that reported that local firetrucks and hazmat teams were already in pre-position waiting around the corner from the crash site.

Now if I can ask myself, how can firetrucks and hazmat teams be in position to a supposedly disgruntled IRS suicide without such an advance notice of an impending incident? Or is this the key that this is a false flag? I don't know, but the facts are not making sense.

There are some indications that even media teams were pre-positioned to immediately begin the propaganda.

So if the media is as professional as they claim, I ask myself why the witnesses and the reports of firetrucks and hazmat teams being in place at the crash site are not being reported so as to show that our governmental agencies must be involved if they warned and dispatched firetrucks and hazmat teams to a supposedly accident scene that had yet to occur when dispatched.

reply to post by rusethorcain


Yes, how come not more people were killed? I wouldn't want that to be the case of course, but where were they all when the plane hit the building? Is it because it hit between the 1st and 2nd floors, and not directly into one floor? What about the 50ft giant fireball? I guess not many people work there in the morning. I would have expected more fatalities.

Regarding the tea party connection, it is claimed by TIME under the third paragraph.

The article starts as follows:

The long, rambling rant posted on a website eerily reflected the angry populist sentiments that have swept the country in the past year.

At the end of the third paragraph it then says:

(See the making of the Tea Party movement)

Feel free to click on the link above to read about it, but why would the Time even put such a link in the middle of an article about someone who is not even linked to the Tea Party at this point?

[edit on 19-2-2010 by MightyAl]

Originally posted by Chance321
reply to post by xstealth

 

Okey, I'm gonna take this a step further. If the "un-biased"

news media starts pounding this "tea Party" connection then I'm going to go with my first thought, this guys a sacrifice from the left to try an discredit the tea party movement.

Well as long as you are being this logical in your investigation (?) why not just climb all those steps. Come on. Nobody really cares if it is the truth or not just throw it out there....It was a deliberate attempt by a distant relative of Obama's (on his mothers side) to besmirch the growing Tea Party movement just so he could stay in office another 4 years.

If you are going to make up a fairy tale, make it a good one at least.

The Tea Party isn't even much of a threat at this point I wouldn't call it a movement. The Tea Parties are just a little stirring that a "movement" is afoot... a feeling like not now but soon, we are going to have to take a dump.

reply to post by MightyAl


I agree there is a connection as much as this fellow WAS a disgruntled American and the Tea Party groups are largely that.

I think if it was a deliberate attempt by say some wild eyed leftist, the same could and would be said about him as if (we presume correctly or not) he was a wild eyed righty. This sad man threatens no one any more yet there are plenty of people out there awfully quick to blame Obama for this too.
The Tea Party isn't exclusively democrat but full of disgruntled people from all walks of life.

Still curious myself over who and why this happened but I am not willing to make false accusations just yet. I need a minute.
When all the facts are in (and will that ever happen) maybe it will point to a "conspiracy theory" but right now it just looks fishy. Especially with MaxBlack above saying firetrucks and hazmat teams were already in the area.






[edit on 19-2-2010 by rusethorcain]

reply to post by rusethorcain


Wow, why all the hostility? You need to chill a little. Or did I in my thought (theory) hit all little to close to the mark, that saint obama or one of his many minions might just pull a stunt like this to discredit a group of growing number of people that don't like the direction The One is taking us?

reply to post by silent thunder


Although I think Doc was simply trying to say in a different way that Sarah Palin is NOT a Neocon, you kind of described my situation to a "T". I believe that more and more people are coming to think like you and I on this front. I'm simply sick and tired of the left vs. right mentality of division.

Right now it is an 'us' vs. 'them' situation. Us, being the people that do all of the hard work in this nation and Them being the majority of the idiots that think they know better than us.

As for the OP, I agree that this event yesterday is going to be twisted to try and destroy ANY groups that voice out against this government.

I like to still hold out hope and keep and optimistic point of view on life and this once great nation but our 'leaders' are going about it in the wrong way. That's why this man did what he did (along with other issues like potentially being a bit unstable so I'm truly only speculating). For anyone to try and say that one group is responsible is pretty pathetic. It's like the many on here that associate terrorist with all muslims.

It just doesn't fit but someone always tries to make it do so.

Originally posted by Chance321
reply to post by rusethorcain

 

Wow, why all the hostility? You need to chill a little. Or did I in my thought (theory) hit all little to close to the mark, that saint obama or one of his many minions might just pull a stunt like this to discredit a group of growing number of people that don't like the direction The One is taking us?

Of course I like Obama. What is not to like? He has a difficult job. He hasn't done everything the way I would want him to but our country is set up like this and every four years we have an opportunity to change it. When Bush was President I felt exactly like you do now (like a loser) for 8 years.

But trust me, I am far from hostile... you little doll you. I just woke up.

You want to see hostile?

Stick around.





[edit on 19-2-2010 by rusethorcain]

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by MightyAl

 

I agree there is a connection as much as this fellow WAS a disgruntled American and the Tea Party groups are largely that.

I don't see any hostility in your message whatsoever by the way And yes, the Tea Party groups are largely disgruntled American citizens, and they have every reason to be.

Even the devil in disguise is better than Bush. It doesn't matter if your Republican or Democrat, the goals are exactly the same. They are just achieved in a different manner - one a la bleu, the other a la rouge.

I think if it was a deliberate attempt by say some wild eyed leftist, the same could and would be said about him as if (we presume correctly or not) he was a wild eyed righty.

Yes, if a white man accidentally dropped his plane into a Black Panther group meeting, he'd be a racist. If he accidentally flew into a church, he'd be an atheist. When the airplane flew into the Empire State Building in 1945, it was because the pilot held a grudge against that specific floor...whatever was going on there.

Especially with MaxBlack above saying firetrucks and hazmat teams were already in the area.

Yeah, that's everywhere in the news. Maybe they were having a picnic Apparently the FBI knew that an attack in the city was going to happen that day, but they didn't know where. So maybe they sent firetrucks to every area of Austin that had a federal office building, or every tax office in town. Who knows what exactly they knew that day. We'll find out in the next few days I guess...

Edit: We never find out what they knew anyway...

[edit on 19-2-2010 by MightyAl]