UFOs Are Solid and Under Intelligent Control, Claims Brazilian Military

Originally posted by Phage
The report is not about UFOs in general, it is about a single incident which occurred on May 19, 1986.[edit on 2/18/2010 by Phage]

All it requires is for a single blue cow to be proven to exist in order to prove the existance of blue cows...

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I worked with several different radars as an OS in the USN so I'm not sure if "questionable" is the right term. They had returns its just that the type of radar they were using was not optimal for the kind of contacts they were trying to follow.

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But that's one of the problems we have. It seems there are blue cows and green cows and yellow cows...

The OP made it sound like the statement was about UFOs in general. It was not.


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Doesn't the evidence that says it was solid and intelligently controlled strongly favor the terrestrial aircraft explanation? How can we possibly say, "well based on what we have here it could be an alien spaceship or an aircraft from earth, probably military and classified...we have no way to tell the difference based on the evidence, so I'm gonna go with alien spaceship." It just seems so much more likely to have a terrestrial explanation, it seems to me that selecting the highly unlikely ET explanation is indulging a fantasy more than it is making an unbiased appraisal of the evidence. Even if we take all of this in the strongest possible way; there was definitely something solid there, and it was definitly intelligently controlled, the terrestrial aircraft explanation still explains it in full.

ha ha stupid nig. Just go to work, and forget about the ending. lol

Originally posted by bittersylence
ha ha stupid nig. Just go to work, and forget about the ending. lol

wow so what does this have to do with the topic and please clarify what you mean by "nig"

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(I apologize but I'll only make only one more off-topic post regarding this point.)

That is irrelevant.

It doesn't matter if you have one time-line or one thousand.

From point X to Y you have a certain amount of events that take you to Y. Meaning, if you change one single event it's possible that you change the outcome completely. We both agree on that.

That is the real issue with only one time-line existing.

Now, bare with me on this one:

You have John, an future human (meaning, someone from the year 3000 for example) that lives in a civilization that is technologically healthy, lives in peace and harmony and has very good standards regarding human rights and so on.

Ok, now John realizes the pain that we live in now or in another time (like WWII) and he feels sorry and wants to help that.

But if John thinks straight, he will stand still. Why? Because it doesn't matter from which time-line you are. If John himself exists, and his peaceful society exists its BECAUSE once in the past there were troubled times, war, and suffering.

John, the future human (lol) won't go back to the past to be a hero, because if he is, his own existence may never come true, and neither will his civilization. Or if he is in another time-line, it wont affect his time-line but maybe the OTHER time-line may not develop in the way that promotes the good civilization that he knows. Imagine that you help someone that is good in spirit now. John gives him peace and power so that people follow that guy.

Now imagine that that person becomes corrupt.

What started as a good person leading the way, ended with a person who has power, and that built a oppressing world where he is the boss and everyone must live under his orders.

In the same way that you can't overprotect your children, they NEED to make mistakes in order to learn some stuff in life that you ONLY learn from mistakes.

If you can travel in time, you can't go back and prevent your children from falling down the stairs. Why? Because if you do, he will never experience that, and stairs will never be a danger to him, and when he eventually is more clumsy and actually falls down the stairs, he might get REALLY hurt and what started with a good intention can end with terrible consequences.

Just a couple of analogies to state that changing the past isn't going to make the future better.

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Originally posted by OnceReturned
It just seems so much more likely to have a terrestrial explanation, it seems to me that selecting the highly unlikely ET explanation is indulging a fantasy more than it is making an unbiased appraisal of the evidence.

Can we really say it's highly unlikely that there is a form of intelligent life in the universe that is capable of finding a planet with another form of intelligent life and traveling to it?

Let's say we, as humans, somehow manage to survive and progress technologically for, say, a billion more years. Would we say that it is highly unlikely that we would ever in that time be able to figure out how to travel to another inhabited planet?

Here's a question that I've never seen addressed by anyone: If, hypothetically, Earth were to be visited by extraterrestrials who did not care to make open contact with us, would we be able to tell? And if so, what kind of evidence should we expect to find of it?

Do all of you look at the sky often? I didn't used to until two years ago when I was having a cigarette on my balcony at dusk and saw something huge, dark grey, cigar shaped and occasionally blinking out of sight and floating what looked like 3 or 4 miles to my south. Don't know if its alien or secret military, but it is DEFINATLEY a "UFO sighting".

Ever since that evening, I am often gazing at the sky hoping to see something again... nothing yet. These things are up there. My story is no different than anyone elses, and if you haven't seen something then you are likey to not believe me. Just keep an eye on the sky, you might just see something that literally will change your view on life.

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If, hypothetically, Earth were to be visited by extraterrestrials who did not care to make open contact with us, would we be able to tell? And if so, what kind of evidence should we expect to find of it?

If they hided from us, no. You can't be aware about what you don't see, IF they avoid all contact and detection (and if we already have stealth, imagine an advanced civilization).

In that case, you wouldn't have ANY kind of evidence. If they hide their ships, if they don't contact us, if they watch us without making contact (noise, light, or anything that can be detected by us), and if they don't CRASH (lol), we can't simply know that they are there, so, there is no evidence.

But that is not the case with most UFO cases. The problem is that we see ENOUGH to spot them, to know that maybe that wasn't a bird, or a aircraft or a military secret project.

After that, you can only a "flash" of what was there, and then it's gone. That's the kind of cases that leave clues (better terminology than evidence in this post) to what that could be, or who that could be in that ship.

Since we know it isn't from any government or something like that, it must be from outer space.

BUT that's a argument for ignorance. Putting guesses and speculation where you don't have any more information, which gives 50/50 margin of being right or wrong.

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Originally posted by Orkojoker
Can we really say it's highly unlikely that there is a form of intelligent life in the universe that is capable of finding a planet with another form of intelligent life and traveling to it?

It is certainly likely that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe. That premise is vastly different from the assertion that UFOs are ETs. We cannot say how likely it is that they are close enough to travel here. We know that we are not capable of interstellar travel, and have no reason to believe that anyone else is.

Let's say we, as humans, somehow manage to survive and progress technologically for, say, a billion more years. Would we say that it is highly unlikely that we would ever in that time be able to figure out how to travel to another inhabited planet?

I'm not prepared to say that based on my predictions of future human technology, that means that UFOs are ETs. No one is qualified to make his sort of prediction, we don't have enough information. We certainly cannot have this prediction play an important role the assertion that UFOs are ETs, because it is not a strong prediction and makes a very weak basis for an argument. Even if it is what will happen, we have no reason to believe that it has happened on another planet that is close enough to earth for it to matter.

Here's a question that I've never seen addressed by anyone: If, hypothetically, Earth were to be visited by extraterrestrials who did not care to make open contact with us, would we be able to tell? And if so, what kind of evidence should we expect to find of it?

This is the zoo hypothesis, and it has been addressed in some very interesting speculative scientific papers in the past.

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Yes and I applaud phage because he's saying the right thing and rationalizing it the way it should be. You can use your imagination all you want but the sensible things come first.

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Yes I am with you the same experience happened to me even reported it to mufon, I've been telling people that; if you want to see a ufo just look at the sky there's a good chance you will see. Ive had many sighting and they are exciting.

Originally posted by Psychonaughty
reply to post by SuperSlovak

 

The majority of UFO's seen by Terrestrial observers are actually Government drones/crafts which are unmanned but flawed due to some imperfections in design.

Other UFO's of extraterrestrial origin are more of a rare occurence due to the quarantine of Earth. This quarantine is in place for the soul purpose of the Free Will of it's inhabitants; it's quite suprising but the vast majority do not wish any contact conciously or subconciously which is the reason for such a "quarantine".



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That's your opinion or you got that information from a reliable source?

Personally I doubt that ETs would bother about "free will", but I do agree that they wouldn't have many reasons to contact us though. Specially due to our incredible level of "evolution" where we keep killing each other for crap that we don't actually need and becoming more materialists by each new day.

However the ones who do come and end up contacting us in one or way or another trough abductions (and we have thousands upon thousands of reports on this) do seem to have questionable second intentions.

Personally I think that this whole talk that the Governments (especially the US one) have anti-gravity technology or simply technology on par with the ones from UFOs a big fallacy. At best they are still trying to piece together the remains of some captured UFOs.

Originally posted by Phage
The report is not about UFOs in general, it is about a single incident which occurred on May 19, 1986.

This report is intended to inform the authorities of the Ministry of Aeronautics, especially The Minister himself, about the events occurred in the night of May 19, 1986, regarding information pertaining to Air Traffic Control and Air Defense Organization, as well as the intercepting pilots involved in this event.

Due to time limitation and specific knowledge limitation regarding the nature of the facts, this Command has decided, within its operational sphere, to limit itself to simply narrate the facts and avoid any kind of speculations involving the Ministry of Aeronautics.

The radar data is questionable.

The Brazilian Aerospace Defense System, concerning to RDA1, has so far relied on detection equipment based on radars whose main purpose is to control air traffic, not specifically designed for Air Defense.

Its technical limitations render air space vigilance deficient as far as targets detection is concerned, the initialization of which is made manually, that is, the controller is constantly required to personally manage radar contact and keep it steadily visible for a period that will allow deep evaluation. As a result, following the movements detected on the occasion was severely thwarted by the fact that it was not possible to maintain visualization, regardless of the controllers’ efforts, because the contacts obtained were not strong enough to allow an initialization work.

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Oh, if it's only about one specific case then we should drop it. A single ufo report could not possibly pertain to ufo's in general. Thanks for setting everybody straight. Case closed.

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You speak as if these things you claim are fact. Care to offer up some evidence to substantiate such theories? Not saying you're wrong, quite the contrary actually, your beliefs sound very plausible to me. Just would like to learn how you came to such conclusions. Unlike some skeptics on here....who seem to revel in pointing out holes in peoples theories, yet never offering up any of their own. Nothing like raining on someones parade eh?

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Free Will is the first and foremost primal distortion of the Creation that all is. To go against Free Will creates a karmic inertia.

Each action has an equal and opposite reaction, this is what Karma is - it does not in any way have to have a relation to spirituallity like most believe but instead can be considered common logic.

If I punch a wall the reaction recieved by my fist will give me an an injury(hypothetically as there are an infinite array of possibilities, e.g. I could be wearing a protective glove), the seriousness depending on the first initial action.

Both negative and positive off earth entities understand this, and literally live according to Universal laws (Humanity, however, does not). This is why there is no publicized contacts of Benevolent entities and no instataneous enslavement/control by malignant/negative entities.

Unless a vast majority of people conciously decide they want Benevolent beings to help us or a vast majority of people want to be enslaved then there will not be any paradigm shifting contacts.

Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
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You speak as if these things you claim are fact. Care to offer up some evidence to substantiate such theories? Not saying you're wrong, quite the contrary actually, your beliefs sound very plausible to me. Just would like to learn how you came to such conclusions. Unlike some skeptics on here....who seem to revel in pointing out holes in peoples theories, yet never offering up any of their own. Nothing like raining on someones parade eh?

It is not the messenger but the message that is of importance. If words do not resonate deeply with truth then do not bother with them.

I do not wish for my information to be fully 100% believed by readers, in fact I hope readers to do the opposite and take not my, or anyone else's word for anything even with evidence unless it rings true to them.

No way.
What about drugs.
Is it a CIA ship snuggling drugs.
Thats what I think.

Ask yourself this my friend, why is it that the government all around the world, are declassifying their TOP SECRET UFO records? could it be because whilst we argue down here about the existence of other races existing outside of our planet, they are gearing up for something which may make them look foolish in the long run?

Make no mistake, the release of these documents are not a coincedence, whether it be project blue beam or a mothership coming this way, something is going down, you don't have to be a sceptic,rocket scientist or a believer to see that.

The world is turning and changing, and there is nothing any of us can do about it.