UFO Flight Characteristics ~ Right Angle Turns.

Yeah I'd go with time manipulation. Someone was telling me once (in person) about some kind of theory where there are "four steps" in time or something, or that what we experience as time can be slowed down by four times. I can't quite remember, but I wouldn't be surprised if the right angle stuff wasn't immense speed, just normal speed, but with time being bent in a way we...sorry, I, just don't understand

I've seen these movements in UFO's, it really takes your breath away!

Oh, seems I skipped a page, but I just wanted to add - check out some videos by "Prophet Ezekiel" in IR over NY. Yeah, I don't generally trust people using names like that, but the footage really has some gems, lots of right angle movements etc!

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With Lyne you will get bogged down knee deep in conspiracy and
assorted events he experienced.
However the tale of Tesla if it can be picked out is interesting.
Much unlike most most books.
Then of course people confront him with Tesla never said his coils
can make a force so I suppose thats a jump in deduction or wait for
proof from the Illuminati.

Sticking closely to the Tesla writings there may be no electron mention
by Tesla or Lyne. No time reversals or Relativity or any of the science
fact stated today (that are erroneous) or the mysteries of today (because
they were already discovered by Tesla and knowing it would benefit us).

Thanks for the reply. Don't think all the above will be in PA but many or
the ideas presented on the net have Lyne comments. I had to check
on the details with Lyne on forums to find more that did not sink in.
People are still posting the same old web pages and ideas and don't
seem to find the entire details but since much is Lyne's deductions
the way thing work may not be too important because his levitation
method based on Tesla was tested and goes beyond present methods.

ED: I would like to know more about Mr. Oberth
ED: How about another movie:


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I'm glad I ran across this thread.

About 14 years ago while star gazing from my chaise lounge on a warm summer night, I saw three pinpoints of amber light in a horizontal line traveling fast south to north high up. I assumed they were military jets, until the left one took off at a right angle to the east, the right one a right angle to the west simultaneously, and the middle point continued on straight. I just figured it's some technology I have no idea about (but have since read about field manipulation...which still would be amazing stuff). I know what I saw, and that's about all.

its been a really long time since ive seen UFO's making those kinds of maneuvers;
the last time was probably the NASA TETHER INCIDENT
maybe they upgraded to something smoother??....

Thanks for the replies, in the first few minutes of the disclosure testimony video below there are some quite revealing statements made about UFO speeds and flight characteristics -one radar operator states his screens started picking up objects travelling 3000 - 4000 mph.

Part 2

Cheers.

In one of Telsa's statement on his aircraft, it would go 300mps.
Thats 1080,000 mph.
No one asked him for the details.
Obviously Oberth or von Braun and people today know how fast
the Foo goes.
Much like the billions of electrostatic charge on the Sun and the
50x light speed particles from Antarus, if Tesla said it we ignore it.
Tesla is mentioned 360 times in "Pentagon Aliens" and 344 times
in the other pdf document linked previously.
They will tell different Tesla stories.
For more of Tesla's own writings go to:
www.tesla.hu...
In all one should be allowed to think alternately from Illuminati thought
and with Lyne you might get how to do it.
Where as Tesla found signals from Mars from Martians or did the planet
signal with out any help on its own meaning space objects are radio-logically
active.
Ed: Can't say if UFO actions are in this but at some parts the Tesla
story is given.

Google Video Link

ED:
en.wikipedia.org...

On July 6, 1918, Oberth married Mathilde Hummel, with whom he had four children. Among these were a son who died as a soldier in World War II, and a daughter who also died during the war when there was an accidental explosion at a liquid oxygen plant where she was in August 1944. In 1919, Oberth once again moved to Germany, this time to study physics, initially in Munich and later in Göttingen.[5]

Liquid oxygen for rockets. How dangerous and usable is liquid air that
perhaps drips down from hoses when fueling the rocket.


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Right angle turn reports taken from Project Bluebook files:

May 1, 1952, George AFB, California. 10:50 a.m:

Witnesses: three men on the arms range, plus one Lt. Colonel 4 miles away. Five flat-white discs about the diameter of a C-47's wingspan (95') flew fast, made a 90degrees turn in a formation of three in front and two behind, and darted around, for 15-30 seconds.

Sept. 15, 1968, near Ocala, Florida. 9:30 p.m:

Witness: missionary pilot Jay Cole, flying a Beech C-45 twin-engined utility plane. One light performed aerobatics for 15 minutes and then vanished. A second light appeared, heading toward them on a collision course, made a 90* turn and disappeared. Later, ground radar told them a target was following them. Sightings lasted 15 minutes.

July 21, 1952, Converse, Texas. 4:30 p.m:

Witness: wife of USAF Capt. J. B. Neal. One elongated, fuselage-shaped object flew straight and level, made a right-angle turn and went out of sight at more than 300 m.p.h., all in 3-5 seconds.

Nov. 13, 1952, Glasgow, Montana. 2:43 a.m:

Witness: U.S. Weather Bureau observer Earl Oksendahl. Five oval-shaped objects, with lights all around them, flew in a V-formation for about 20 seconds. Each object seemed to be changing position vertically by climbing or diving as if to hold formation. Formation came from the northwest, made a 90* overhead, and flew away to the southwest.

Nov. 24, 1952, Annandale, Virginia. 6:30 p.m:

Witness: Lt. L. Brettner. One round, glowing object flew very fast, made right angle turns and reversed course during a 1 hour sighting.

July 12, 1952, Annapolis, Maryland. 3:30 p.m:

Witness: insurance company president William Washburn. Four large, elliptical-shaped objects were seen to fly very fast, stop, turn 90* and fly away in 7-8 seconds.

July 13, 1950, Redstone Arsenal, Alabama. 5 p.m:

Witnesses: two skilled Arsenal employees including Mr. Washburn. one object, shaped like a bowtie, and like polished aluminum. Flew straight and level, then one triangle rotated 1/4 turn in the opposite direction and returned to its original position. The object then made a right-angle turn and accelerated away after at least 30 seconds.

Jan. 10, 1953, Sonoma, California. 3:45 p.m or 4 p.m:

Witnesses: retired Col. Robert McNab, and Mr. Hunter of the Federal Security Agency. One flat object, like a pinhead, made three 360* right turns in 9 seconds, made abrupt 90* turns to the right and left, stopped, accelerated to original speed and finally flew out of sight vertically after 60-75 seconds.

May 11, 1954, Washington, D.C. 10:45 p.m:

Witnesses: three USAF.air policemen at Washington National Airport. Two bright lights were seen on three occasions to fly straight and level, make 90* turns and fade. Each sighting lasted about 45 seconds.

Feb. 27, 1967, Grand Haven, Michigan. 8:19 p.m:

Witnesses: Sheriff Grysen, wife and others. Large white light, with smaller red and green lights seen to the sides. Made almost instantaneous 90degrees turn to left, shot out over road and stopped, moving too fast to follow. Sighting lasted 1 hour, 11 minutes.

Ufologie - Project Bluebook

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An amazing number observed objects or flying craft.
And if the craft are our craft.
Well some one owns them and keeps them.
And the technology surrounding them.
I see science in denial and confusing the issue on many front.
Well back to the next confusion.

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I think you've got it.

I think it was Arthur C. Clarke who wrote, "Any technology, sufficiently advanced, would seem indistinguishable from magic."

Oh, found it, copy/pasted....

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)

www.quotationspage.com...


Airplanes, television, telephones, radar....etc, etc, etc would all seem 'magical' to those from earlier eras.

Even a 'strike anywhere' wooden match would have gotten you accused of 'witchcraft' just a few hundred years ago!!!

Point is, understanding the technology is the key...and observations, without understanding, may not be sufficient.

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From the link:
www.hyper.net...

Appendix III: Prof. Hermann Oberth notes on UFOs Lecture Notes About Flying Saucers 1954 by German Prof. Hermann Oberth, pioneer of rocketry, the teacher of Dr. Werner von Braun (who after WWII headed USA's space programme). Paul Norman obtained Oberth's translated lecture notes from Drs. Blumrich and Ferdie, at the Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama. In the notes Prof. Oberth gave his observations about UFOs as follows:

The rest as you posted.
Oberth seems to know quite a lot from observations.
However its down at the bottom of the page.

How he determined what knew from all the swamp gas
observations above on that page is quite astounding.

ED: Yes, perhaps he know the technology.
If he knows then perhaps the von Braun behind him knows.
Even some people on ATS know, perhaps.

ED:

very high, 19 km/sec has been measured with wireless measuring instruments (radar). Accelerations are so high that no man could stand it; he

From the post or external link.
Say 20,000 mps or 60,000 fps which looks as if it might be 11 miles
per second which is less that the 300 miles per second estimate of
Tesla.
ED: If indeed a crew is inside the smashing against the inside walls
seem not to happen cause a lot of sightings kind of disproves it and
the flight keeps on going without a crash. Not in any book I know
of but deals are made when a saucer does crash.

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Originally posted by weedwhacker

Oh, found it, copy/pasted....

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)

www.quotationspage.com...

WeedWhacker, thanks for the reply -I've always loved Arthur C Clarke and I think he got it spot on with that quote - after all, in the last hundred years we've gone from this..




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to this..




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..so God knows whats possible in 1000 years (or 10,000).




There are some interesting statements here made by scientists from the past in which they talk about 'imposssible' aspects of technology - I think my favourite is this one:

"No possible combination of known substances, known forms of machinery, and known forms of force, can be united in a practical machine by which man shall fly long distances through the air..."
Simon Newcomb (1835-1909), astronomer,
head of the U.S. Naval Observatory

Cheers.

All those pre 40s and 50s photos of saucers must be fabrications.
You see them in "Secret Space" or perhaps the "UFO ...Denied" video.
Perhaps gotten from the same place Billy Meier obtained them.

Definitely not before 1910 and propeller flight.

Originally posted by karl 12
Unknown object witnessed making right angle turns - Illinois, 1964.

Lawrenceville, Illinois, June 8th, 1964.

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On June 8th at 9:30 PM in Lawrenceville, Illinois, which is just across the river from Vincennes, a CE1 sighting took place. The witness, Mrs. Helen Reed, described a close-up observation she had of a peculiar looking object which was in the vicinity of her barn and in the air not more than 10 or 15 feet high. It was a typical domed disc with a flat bottom. When she first observed it the dome was glowing a soft blue. The object then moved erratically away from the barn and the dome turned a bright red orange in color. It then executed several sharp right angle turns and disappeared behind her shed.

Walking over to a position between her barn and shed, Mrs. Reed saw the object approach at a moderate speed and then stop within 50 feet of her. She estimated that the object was no more than 15 feet in diameter and she later described a series of round, yellow lights that encircled the base. She said that these lights were "brighter than headlights" but caused her no discomfort as she observed them.

The lights then began to rotate from left to right and Mrs. Reed noticed that there was one space where a light appeared to be missing. (Exhibit 4A) The object hovered in the same position for several seconds with the speed of the revolution of the lights increasing to a high RPM. The object then began to move away; making a sharp, right angle turn to the north and, without gaining altitude, it disappeared from view. Mrs. Reed said that as the object departed, its yellow lights were rotating so rapidly that it gave the appearance of a single band around the object's base. This entire sequence of events lasted, perhaps, 10 minutes.

Link

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The UFO in this drawing shows the lights on the outer side.
The one that I seen in the Flagstaff area in 1977 ..2 am in the mourning had the lights on the underside of the UFO and they were not this big.
I wish I had a way of posting a drawing of what I saw. I could attempt to draw it and then post it.
The lights on this UFO were not like anything that our airplanes or choppers or anything else we have. I wish Karl that we could also compare notes on this.
The Lights were like a backlight color purple and of bluish. The lights did not blink or flash they sort of had this glow. That could probably be because it was very very dark out there was not a full moon but it was at least almost half way to being a full moon, could of been a 1/4 of a full moon. The glow coming from, the inside , created a radiance of the center of these lights. Like I said it is so difficult to explain.
Another area of discussion is the description of these underneath rings that revolve and the center of the underneath of the UFO to me that night it appeared to be just dark and concave like a crater. I did not see any spokes or sections. Only where the rings are at there was a gap and because of the lights you could see that these rings were not just indentations they in fact were separate functioning solid rings which were not rounded but flat .
As for the right angle turns I can believe that it is possible. I thought the one I seen could have made a slight tilt then went off but it didn’t the reason it may have appeared that way was because of the clouds from the right were moving to the left. It just went out of sight.
I am also curious as to the shapes and sizes that have been reported. Are these sightings and shapes only seen in certain areas ??? for instance a triangel shape spotted in Japn, and China. Round bubble shape spotted only in France these are examples. Here in the USA how many different kinds have been reported that if comparred a certain descriptionn would be the one with the most sightings I am just trying to spot out the logic of the reports .
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Back on topic to the right angle turns.....
I don't think that these UFO's have a steering mechanism like a car or one of our planes that is obvious... Do you suppose they have to make these turns to avoid our US radar frequency detections? That these UFO's are programmed to avoid certain radar????????? Because, they zig zag through our air space?
I can’t understand the different shape and sizes described like some of the ones seen over in Europe they seem to look more round. Well I don’t spend a lot of time looking at the youtube stuff. I did at first but some of that is just so not believable. But If I could of taken a video of the one I seen it most likely would have been seen as garbage too. I did do some reading about propulsion as to what is needed for our space missions and it is a bit over my head…. Cause it evolves certain chemicals of in the fuel to travel through space. n

Did the glow appear from behind a lens or did the glow appear external
to the ship. As if the nearby air was aglow and no beam of light was
produced. Definitely not a window with an interior light.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Did the glow appear from behind a lens or did the glow appear external
to the ship. As if the nearby air was aglow and no beam of light was
produced. Definitely not a window with an interior light.

The light system that was on this UFO was on the outer underside of the ship. Then there was the next ring, and another. Then a center.
The lights did not have a bubble looking lens. they appeared to be round built in lights everything seemed flat except the inner circle looked to have a concave center. The Glow came directly from the light like the center of the light had a brighter light which gave like a flourecent glow. It is really hard to describe this like I said it was very different I couldn't take my eyes off it I think i only looked away 2 or 3 times thats only when I was talking to my cousin the first time i looked a way was to tell my cousin and point to it, the second time was to tell him about the lights...I then keept watching it untill it left. And each time I returned looking at it it hadn't moved and what was really strange is the clouds were moving but it stayed in the same spot surounded by these cloud formations wierd as bleep

There is a pulsing effect to cause rings as in a drum vibration.
Or waves in a pond.
Drum vibrations can get complicated but since the ship might be
vibrating physically, ever so slightly, and electrically the rings
of light might appear.


A light ring that appears external in a break operation.
A video showed this object or craft wildly going back and forth.


Drum vibration




So rings of light at the ship bottom might be possible.
The ship being at rest.

And so moving around might show other effects.
Thanks for posting your observations.



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So what are you saying? that these lights really were not on the bottom they just appeared to be???? well if they wernt on the botton they had to be on the very edge or rim of the ship I dont know if the vibrations made it glow or what I suppose it could I dont know cause I dont even know what these things are made of ???? thanks for the reply.

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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
There is a pulsing effect to cause rings as in a drum vibration.
Or waves in a pond.
Drum vibrations can get complicated but since the ship might be
vibrating physically, ever so slightly, and electrically the rings
of light might appear.


A light ring that appears external in a break operation.
A video showed this object or craft wildly going back and forth.


What is this suppose to show me ??????????
there is nothing to the links you posted. Is this suppose to be some joke????

Drum vibration




So rings of light at the ship bottom might be possible.
The ship being at rest.

And so moving around might show other effects.
Thanks for posting your observations.



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Originally posted by NorthStargal52
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So what are you saying? that these lights really were not on the bottom they just appeared to be???? well if they wernt on the botton they had to be on the very edge or rim of the ship I dont know if the vibrations made it glow or what I suppose it could I dont know cause I dont even know what these things are made of ???? thanks for the reply.

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Yeah I think the light is from the air due to stray electrical activity.
Like a florescent bulb light.
The electricity is so hot the air light up.

Here is a post with a ring under a UFO:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Interesting.
Some people think science lies about the ether and the ether
supports these ship with high Tesla voltage.



I found the video for the strange UFO.

Explanation of why they move so quick:
www.youtube.com...

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I mostly disagree, that is not how they looked I will draw a description of what I seen and try an post it, I think that is the only way to show what I am trying to explain ...