Greece Loses Voting Rights - That's It! Jump Out NOW!!!

reply to post by DarkSecret


This.

reply to post by seethelight


You say all the Euro collapse stuff is coming out of the "far right" in the UK..

So what do you feel about French bankers that say the same? (my opinion they went long on the Euro hoping for quick gains, and lost money) or the Germans who feel that bailing out Greece will cause the demise of the Euro and even the Union.. or are these the UKs far right your talking about.

I hear more opinions from Europeans about the EU than I do from people in Britain (mostly Brits just shrug, uninterested either way)

My role for a number of years covered the EMEA and specifically 8 core member states implementing EU legislation, and the EU was MORE a talking point in those states than it is in the UK.. To pin point all the talk about the demise of the EU or Euro on Britain is not something I have ever experienced or feel is accurate.

But then again we all have difference life experiences, so I am not trying to invalidate your point of view, just sharing mine.

The same Wall street financial Institutions which were responsible for the credit default swaps/Interest swaps derivatives, and all other repackaged toxic financial papers & financial intruments which later was sold to the rest of the world - are now responsible for this current speculation on Greek debt and the €uro during the ongoing crisis.

Therefore I giggle for myself when I now see their minions at work, working with spreading the anti EU gospel into overdrive on several wingish financial/business/economy web sites/forums/blogs and news media.

Their greedy minions, corrupted Wall street bloggers and corrupted washed up analysts are now making personal bets in the market against the €uro & Greek debt by following their corrupted idols and insider friends at Goldman Sachs & J.P.M who are leaking out bits of information to certain corrupted and useful idiots of financial journalists/bloggers, and letting them spread the gospel in the media like a wild-fire, serving the interests of Goldman Sachs & C.o.

The corrupted anti EU speculators at Goldman Sachs Group Inc and Anglo Saxon & American corrupted financial journalists even invented the offensive and derogatory acronym of PIGS - as a belittling term invented to be used with their corrupted agenda and this latest greedy betting campaign against the Euro-zone.

They now call us Europeans PIGS!

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When in the true reality the more correct acronym is PIIGGS with additional "I." for Ireland and "G." for Great Britain (PIIGGS).

(Almost in the same class like the corrupted U.S media's suspicious & obvious campaign against Toyota's unfortunately mistake - which is serving the the interests of the U.S Government as the new pimp daddy of the GM Corporation who want to sell more American autos instead of having a Japonese Corporation flooding the car market with foreign alternatives - Toyota got too big and competitive for their liking.

But Toyota is not the first car producer who ever have made a recall of cars - but their competitive adversaries are surley using this in the best way they can to make it sound like that with the help of the corrupt Corporated media.)

So much for all the BS about FREE TRADE & FREE MARKETS and the global economy rhetorics that they have been ushering in and been using in their advantage until they screwed up the whole world's financial system with their greed and toxic financial intruments a couple of years back. They're like a spoilt child screaming: ME ME ME! And now suddenly most of them want to take the ball and go home, while the rest of us is still quite flabbergasted by some of their newly invented political buzz words & rhetoric after they sabotaged the pyramid scheme of the world economy which all countries was adopting on their request)

This is their answer!

Their message is: defend all the corrupted Fascist Corporations and their rotten agenda at all costs)

All of this is Economical warfare waged by Fascist Corporations and their delusional twisted minions who are the useful idiots!

Oh God! what I would love to see this latest campaign backfire on them, and I would love seeing their greedy & corrupted 'PIG' faces of them losing their greedy speculative bets in this latest speculation against Greece and the EU.

I'm not really holding my breath for that to happen though! since the economic reality for certain southern EU countries is a real problem and need harsh & painful remedies, and all their solutions are constructed to usher in more of the NWO agenda for the global economy...

But I would do almost anything for the pleasure of seeing this speculation backfire on them in some divine way!

Greece, was a morally corrupt & brilliant satanic move by the devilish G.Sachs and M.Stanley & C.o in their quest of destroying the world.

First they lured, convinced and helped/corrupted Greece to mask and camouflage their real debt so the rest of the EU wouldn't notice, then they lured & convinced a few other Southern EU countries to do the same. Now later they are using this inside knowledge to bet against the €uro and these same countries and by doing so, turning brothers against brothers here in Europe!

The American Financial Institutions of G.S, J.P.M and M.S must be SATAN! and they are waging economical warfare against countries in the European Union - I wonder what the people in the rest of the countries of the G20 really think about these morally corrupt destroyers of the world economy & their satanic tactics?

And I would love to see these "useful idiots" and low ranking followers of Goldman Sachs & C.o losing their bets in some drastic actions made by a force greater than the corrupt Wall Street Intitutions - heck! I could almost even accept some NWO'ish intervention by TPTB here in Europe just to have the pleasure of seeing these clowns lose everything!

Greece and certain other countries in the world are in trouble for adopting a fawlty system and a pyramid scheme which in the end was sabotaged from the inside by the same people who invented the system.

This together with greed, corruption, mismanagement, political fantasies is a recipe for disaster! but it works as long as ALL are on the same page of the fraud and are playing by the same rules.

The Wall Street derivative scheme and fraud offset these rules.

There are now more derivatives out there, than the collected total of money in the world - a recipe for a true coming disaster!

And with the PTB's latest and drastic move against the "black economy" and black economies in different parts of Europe is to me a hint that something big is finally on the horizon to be ushered into our lives by their agenda!

The time is now, they're speeding things up!

Hopefully and for the best of mankind, we must pray that the bailout boys at G.S - J.P.M & C.o will be destroyed from the inside by hellish flames so they can be rightfully water-boarded and injected with live bird & swine-flu while the world's population for some weeks take turns in slapping them silly before they all are disappearing one by one, screaming, down into big automatic chopping machines, being chopped up and fed to the P.I.G.S!! LOL!

But all of this is of course planned and is a part of the greater master plan - just ask the European PTB - Bilderbergers and Kissinger!


[edit on 18-2-2010 by Chevalerous]

Every nation that signed onto the Euro currency agreement knew what the rules were. The weaker nations: Greece; Portugal and Ireland thought it would boost their economies. It did, as long as they played by the rules. the Greek government wants to continue to spend like the proverbial "drunken sailor" because the Greek people are demanding this no-responsibility approach. The Greek economy is not the German economy and it goes against reason to have Greeks emulating German lifestyles. I see no reason why any German or French banker should bail out Greece without iron-clad and draconian public spending cuts by the Greek government. If they (and many in the US, from the looks of these posts) are all knotted up about "sovereignty", don't take the money! Withdraw from the Euro-zone, restart the Drachma and inflate it to the moon. But if Greece chooses this path, they shouldn't expect a decent credit rating from anyone at all.

French bankers ? You mean the British analyst Albert Edwards who works for a French bank, Société Générale ? Did you read from someone else the inevitable collapse of the Euro ?
Apparently, it's more credible in the news to title French bankers than a british analyst. I have seen one online media which had the word "French" all in caps, just to make sure we understand it straight, it's not Euro skeptics saying that, no, no, no...
Anyway, bankers are only loyal to their inexhaustible greed, they have no citizenship.
I can read a handful of European languages, only the english-speaking MSM is talking about a Euro or EU collapse... English is the financier language.

I find the acronym P.I.G.S. extremely derogatory and very telling...
To me, I'd rather bail out Greece than any bank. People of Greece are not responsible for the global financial system that led us to that point and benefits a few. Their debt is "relatively" not that huge. It's all spin, doom and gloom by the media and some EU members pressured to take advantage of the situation...
It's ironic Euro skeptics, fearful of EU threats on sovereignty, seems to applaud and support a strong response and sanctions towards Greece

Off topic, pigs are more intelligent than dogs

2/3 of Germany exports are inside EU and a very large part of the 2/3 inside the Euro zone. So the value of the Euro against other currencies has a relatively small impact on the overall German exports.
EU needs Germany as an industrial powerhouse but Germany needs EU for political means that couldn't be achieved without reviving fears of pangermanism.

More than half a century ago, politicians that have gone through two terrible wars and caring for the future of their children thought that building strong commercial and industrial relationships between European countries would end wars in the continent. Wars between members have ended. We, Europeans, shall not forget that and keep our unity.
For years, EU has been attacked from inside and deviated from its original goal to satisfy the greed for power of a cast.
The fight is not against the EU as a cooperative organisation. The fight is against those who are seizing control of it, taking it from the people. I will emphatically say it is the fight of our generation.

Originally posted by Office 4256
I see no reason why any German or French banker should bail out Greece without iron-clad and draconian public spending cuts by the Greek government.

But our taxpayer money was used to bail those same bankers out only a year ago
Privatize profits, socialize losses. All at the expense of the hard working people.

reply to post by Manouche


Well, thank you for correcting my mistake I was to rushed in my response, and somehow it got under my skin that not being pro Europe and British equates to some as being right wing. Tho that still does not change that destructive noises come from Europe as well as the UK.

But back on topic, I'll stick by my original feelings that it is right help Greece but wrong to remove voting rights, as that to me sends the wrong message about a democratic union, this is negative reinforcement which I do not like to see.

[edit on 18/2/10 by thoughtsfull]

As a greek-american I feel mixed emotions.

At the inception of the Euro currency I was for it because it gave legitimacy to europe and was useful in competing with the almighty dollar. It seemed as a great idea then and was useful, but now I am almost totally against it because it appears to be part of an NWO plan to bring world government. True this will not happen soon, but one by one, the puzzle pieces are forming an ugly puzzle.

People in america have been talking about the NAU and the Amero for quite some time, so it seems a "natural progression". America by herself cannot compete against europe so it seems inevitable.

Its all about bankrupting countries and consolidating the resources. A bank cannot take-over anything unless first you declare bankruptcy and greece is almost there. It seems unavoidable but all hope is not lost even if that happens. Hopefully people and the greek government will leave the Euro but still be part of the EU, at least temporary. A return to the Drachma is not such a bad idea, provided the central bank gets nationalised.

Originally posted by Manouche
The fight is not against the EU as a cooperative organisation. The fight is against those who are seizing control of it, taking it from the people. I will emphatically say it is the fight of our generation.

It seems corporate interests were behind the EU and the Euro from the very beginning but everyone got fooled BIG TIME! Socialism is not communism so corporations can still infiltrate government relatively easy.

Even communist russia and china made a 180* turn to corporate capitalism thanks to traitors within their government. Money corrupts absolutely unless you have an iron will. People with an iron will such as castro and stalin do not exist anymore and that is the problem with today's politics.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


I guess the truth behind all this is that the EU doesn't like a true leftist administration in power in Greece, like Papandreou's, instead of the rotten neo-Nazis that were there before. Most people in Greece don't wanna have anything more to do with the EU anyways, as it has deteriorated their grassroots economy and gave too much power to big landlords and corporations.

reply to post by Echtelion


George Papandreous is not a dogmatic socialist as his father was. Andrew Papandreous was! Big difference! One thing I did not like about his father however was the excessive pork barrel spending pasok practiced to win the elections. Too many people were hired and government payroll went through the ceilling.

Greece, EU and the entire world needs authoritarian socialism but not communism. Communism has too many flaws! Corporatism can exist within socialism but unlike capitalism there need to be checks and balances. Government should be above corporations, not below them. If the ruler is weak forget about it!

Originally posted by Echtelion
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

I guess the truth behind all this is that the EU doesn't like a true leftist administration in power in Greece, like Papandreou's, instead of the rotten neo-Nazis that were there before.

just WOW!!

Originally posted by schrodingers dog

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

No voting rights? Fine. We want out of the European Union.

Who is this "we" you are talking about?
Are you Greek?
Do you live in Greece?

Or are you, as per usual, merely oversimplifying a massively complex geopolitical/economic issue which you can barely grasp?

[edit on 17 Feb 2010 by schrodingers dog]

I'll tell you who the we is- The people of Greece! Me and the wife were there 2 years ago and the people were seething at the EU abuse then. Their country's economy was wrecked by the EU and every last one of them knew it and despised it. They still remember life before the EU as their memories are long there.

The Italians are feeling the love right now too and shouldn't be far behind.

What the EU is attempting to do to Greece right now is even worse than what the WTO did to all of those third world countries in Africa/Central America decades ago.

How the EU expects to get away with this is beyond me. If you go to Switzerland right now you'll find that the people might just revolt if their government forces them in. They've seen Germany, France etc. overrun with cheap foreign labor and taxes that are in the stratosphere now. They are aware of the dire straits that Greece/Italy are in right now too.

If the Greek people jump out then good for them and let that be another loss for the Globalists for being so brazen.

The thing that really got to me about the Greeks was through all of their outside artificially induced poverty right now they still were humane, kind, and as hospitable as possible to me and my wife.

I wish the very best for them and may they break free of the EU as my prayers will be for them.




[edit on 19-2-2010 by 3DPrisoner]

If I were Greece I would tell the EU to go f*** themselves and leave! The EU is going to disintegrate back into independent individual states.