Greece Loses Voting Rights - That's It! Jump Out NOW!!!

Originally posted by serbsta
reply to post by schrodingers dog

 

Chill out... I think you understood what he was trying to say.

Oh yes I do understand ... and as a Greek I beg him not to speak for our entire nation thank you very much! Or would you like to join him in this presumptuous declaration?

We may not be the smartest people in the world but we can manage without the "what would sarah palin do?" approach to world affairs or someone with nothing more than a rudimentary grasp of the subject they brought up declaring "WE are outa here!"

Ok? Ok!

[edit on 17 Feb 2010 by schrodingers dog]

reply to post by schrodingers dog


Wasn't jumping to any declarations. I don't think those in power in Greece will try anything as stupid as leaving the EU (if they're allowed to, lol) but I do think the people themselves will protest. Well since I'm not Greek and can't speak for them, do you think the Greek people will peacefully stand by this?

This would be like our federal government telling a state that it's representatives votes in the house and senate will be void. What is the whole point of being in that system if you have no voice?

reply to post by Eurisko2012


According to your location in your avatar, it makes it seem as if you are in Manchester England.

If that is so, why are you talking about problems in Greece?

Are you English? If your English, what do you have to do with Greece?

reply to post by whatukno


Wow... honestly?

You never talk about the problems of a nation which you weren't born in?

C'mon guys, lets get past the nationalist fervor and see the problem for what it is. If someones got an opinion about it then so what, its a discussion board.

Originally posted by serbsta
reply to post by schrodingers dog

 

Wasn't jumping to any declarations.

I know you weren't serbsta, and I also know that when you express yourself and take the time to formulate an opening post you put a lot more thought into it than a link and a couple of irrelevant lines. Furthermore everyone is entitled to their take and opinion on every situation, they need not be from whichever country the issue is pertinent to. But even I cannot speak or make blanket declarations for my countrymen, be they Greek or American. (dual citizenship)

I don't think those in power in Greece will try anything as stupid as leaving the EU (if they're allowed to, lol) but I do think the people themselves will protest. Well since I'm not Greek and can't speak for them, do you think the Greek people will peacefully stand by this?

Oh man, this is such a long and complicated conversation ... I actually lived in Greece when they were about to join the EU and back then there was massive anti-european sentiment, combined with huge anti-american sentiment to do with military bases in Greece and the 30-70 ratio favoring Turkey to Greece as far as NATO military assistance.

Greek politics is mired in nepotism, life long family allegiances to political parties, and crippling corruption. The economy is in the same sad state. Truth is that the Greek could probably never get themselves out of this mess were they left to their own devices ... will they understand that, will they protest, will they just swallow the poison pill? I simply do not know ... there are Greek ATS members who live there at present who are probably much more qualified to communicate the pulse of the country and/or any future reaction from the Greek people.

Like I said, it goes even deeper than what I have described, for all the amazing attributes that Greeks possess, we are fundamentally as a culture extremely self destructive ... and spiteful. The definition of spite in Greece is: "If I can't push you over the hill I will pull you!"

We shall see ...

[edit on 17 Feb 2010 by schrodingers dog]

reply to post by serbsta


See, up until this point, I thought that the OP was from the USA. Which I would have asked what has Greece ever done to the USA to make us give a rats behind.

I care about Greece about as much as I do your dog. (if you have a dog)

What they do is their business.

I just don't get why a person that is so pro liberty so pro individual rights that they would care what a government does that does not affect them.

And if he is from England, what the hell does he care what happens in the USA?

Be concerned with the problems that concern you.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

According to your location in your avatar, it makes it seem as if you are in Manchester England.

If that is so, why are you talking about problems in Greece?

Are you English? If your English, what do you have to do with Greece?

I think your Google Earth is broken.
Try again.
Hint:Manchester England is 53deg 28 min N / 2 deg 14 min W

Originally posted by serbsta
reply to post by whatukno

 

Wow... honestly?

You never talk about the problems of a nation which you weren't born in?

C'mon guys, lets get past the nationalist fervor and see the problem for what it is. If someones got an opinion about it then so what, its a discussion board.

It's a common tactic.
Completely ignore the message and just attack the messenger.
I don't mind. It's easy to laugh at.

[edit on 18-2-2010 by Eurisko2012]

Originally posted by Dasher
Self-governance is evil. People are fat, ignorant and poor. Global governance is hope.

Self-governance is dead. People are fat, ignorant and poor. Global governance is now.



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Conversely and for the wise...


We must move past the old ways and on to the new. The wood has aged and yet new wine has been poured in. It is only a matter of time before the casks burst.

The principle of self-governance was the monument of America that was admired by the world. Sadly, the great monument of liberty has fallen and was only in it's infancy when it was corrupted by spiritually divisive and weak men who sat in carnally powerful and decisive seats.

The destruction of self-governance should be the greatest indicator of our direction/destination as a whole. This is true for Greece as it is for all of human history. It will continue until Pride destroys itself once more as Chaos which brings death will permeate the lands until it has consumed it's fill.

Consider that Religion nor Government enable the weak to be strong enough to not need Religion or Government. Such acts of strengthening the weak would actually serve to justify the purpose of Religion and Government. However, false Religion and false Government are against truth.

Give to the Creators with all of your heart, soul and mind (Generally, we are all subject to the same set of natural gifts/blessings and the same needs). Give to your neighbor as yourself (So that all are progressing and none are forgotten).

Our people are fat, ignorant and poor! The fruit of the Church and the Government is of poor quality! Raise yourself up. Raise yourself up. Raise yourself up. Give to the Creators and likewise, give to each other according to their weakness.

Understand your own truthful needs and godly pleasures. Be useful for many things (honest needs and pleasures of good report). Invest your wealth in that which sustains (food, tools, creative stimulation).


So I say again to those who are weak, and those who are strong, raise yourself up and help those who are below you. Heed the warnings of the daily reports from around the world, raise yourself up. The wood is cracking and the cask is ready to split open, so raise yourself up and make progress and you will not drown.


Know and understand the story of the city and it's tower. It will help you to understand "prophecies" more than any constructed religion or government.

Quit spilling that illuminati zionist stuff because its not going down. The people will remain free. Their dream of ZION london olympics IS OVER. NOT ON MY WATCH!

@OP: yes, now is the time to pull out. This can be done, country by country. There isn't a lot of time. They have their plans to pull of 2 years of disasters until they achieve their goal:

Google Video Link

part one of the bottom one


2012 Rik Clay ORIGINAL UPLOAD 2/10

The rest are on youtube. They expect a done deal nwo global empire by 2012. Not on my watch!

reply to post by Unity_99


If Greece jumps out, I think the EU will press the reset button
and just start over with fewer members.

Originally posted by Unity_99
Quit spilling that illuminati zionist stuff because its not going down. The people will remain free. Their dream of ZION london olympics IS OVER. NOT ON MY WATCH!

I don't appreciate the name calling. Even more so when it is inaccurate and based on a rather far stretched connection. Even if your assumption had been correct, your conduct revealed much weakness within you. Shore up your ability to judge before attempting to bear the weight of condemning. In fact, it would be wise for all of us who must rely on water, food, and defecation to avoid such a thing with great gladness.

reply to post by whatukno


So going by your statement about Lisbon Treaty (this is done under the Lisbon Treaty), Britons should not comment on how the Lisbon Treaty is implemented in other member states??

You do realise the Britain has signed the Lisbon treaty?? and even tho we are not within the Euro this still sets a unpleasant tone and taints the whole deal we are being sold that the EU is a democratic union, but obviously by your comments I shouldn't voice that concern until such time as the EU sanctions Britain this way.

That's a strange point of view you have.. But since this does concern me, it concerns me the direction this is taking, and it concerns me who will be next, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, and it concerns me if this sanction can be expanded to other issues..

But mostly right now, it concerns me the Greek people are being treated this way, which I feel is wrong..

reply to post by Dasher


No weakness in me at all, and zion isnt name calling, its a reality that even is protested against in Israel as I'm sure Italians do against the mafia.

This is not acceptable. The entire banking system and political system needs to be overhauled. Heres how, eliminate all of it, and throw out all laws, or, with groups of citizens look through them and keep only the most significant ones involving murder, rape, torture, property damage that is most logical.

High education, no copy rights, no patents and all the secret technology, everything exposed. Disclosure. Cosmic education.

No fossil fuels, no exploitation of earth, no nuclear. No scarcity system, just high education, high inventions, and volunteering, 4-5 hours a day, 4 days a week for able bodied only, not with young children either, but 100% equal sharing for all!!!!

Government, management, jury duty by grass roots citizens, 50/50 men and women, no bloodlines allowed, no one who was wealthy now!!!!! Period. Only real people, not psychos. Shifts rotate every few months, and another group to watch them. Same with judges if needed, groups, jury duty. All judgments up to review and overturning.

And freedom baby!

This was more or less just a way to embarrass Greece. A kick in the pants to it's citizens to "get their act together" so to speak. The REAL hell scenario is when Greece cannot balance it's budget (and it won't.. cut a social program and every Greek will be rioting in the streets) the EU will literally TAKE OVER Greece's economy, it's spending, it's budget, fiscal policy, everything. The EU now has this authority from the Lisbon Treaty.

reply to post by Rockpuck


I really do feel for the Greeks right now, not sure I'd like this kind of humiliation on the world stage.. Nor does it help that the proposal of an IMF Loan (Backed by Britain) has been turned down because it would be "disastrous" for the monetary union.. So instead of carrots you get sticks..not good, not good at all for the Greeks in general.

Germany owes Greece about 20 billion € !!

Merkel wants to talk money, so pay your debt!! Otherwise give us the good old Drachme back and let us be! Oh and since Europe is a greek Word find a new one, too.

Pathetic, corrupt liars!

[edit on 18-2-2010 by Hellas]

reply to post by Hellas


At least the Greek gov has the option of looking into the British backed IMF loan.. not sure how viable an option it really is..

And I'm not sure what the impact on the Union will be (how they will respond etc) but I personally dislike this sanction, as it feels undemocratic and hypocritical for a democratic union to remove voting rights.. Its the thin end of a wedge and sets an uncomfortable precedent.

reply to post by thoughtsfull


It's like they're the Pimp! We give you what you need BUT you do what WE say! That's ridiculous. The french finance minister said yesterday that 6 big financial Institutions profited from Greeces' Crisis.

reply to post by Hellas


The French suggesting giving the IMF an advisory role, I'm not even sure what that means.. but it doesn't appear helpful..

I know the IMF is not a great option and would have thought European support was the best root to go down, but adding this sanction of removing voting rights is a slippery slope that appears to be the thin end of a wedge to turn the less rich states (like Greece) into mere vassals.

The EU had the opportunity to show true solidarity in it's support and help, and demonstrate it's democratic nature.. yet instead it appears as you say, the EU is acting the pimp, which is not good at all..