Dimension tunneling, heavens, UFO travel, bosons and all that jazz

reply to post by zazzafrazz


Yea, but a "gap" in what? Spacetime? Well then where and WHEN will you be? You would have to find some way to make time static, if not you will both move forward in space AND time.

Which theoretically I think could be done with the right technology. If you could somehow encompass your craft in a zero phase state(think "warp drive")....

[edit on 2/15/2010 by jkrog08]

reply to post by zazzafrazz


I wasn't aware they had found the Higgs Boson. I thought that was one of the primary goals of CERN. Have they found it?

IRM

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NO, they have not....

CERN has been plagued by problems, hopefully it will be back at full force soon...

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lol no, but they know its there.

reply to post by zazzafrazz


Time is perceived differently(which is not necessarily the same as saying time is different, the most simple and correct way to describe the former is that you simply age differently) as you move, depending on how fast you are moving.

Since everything in the universe is moving, and I would imagine every possible realities, within this universe(that has you in it) rotates around "some central entities," in the 5th dimension. If I'm guessing correctly, from the imagining 10th dim vdeo, this central entity is YOUR higher self or consciousness. It appears that we don't actually get to group consciousness until the 8th-10th dim, where every invididual consciousness and all possible timelines for that individual consciousness is represented as a being in the 7th dimension, merging with other consciousness and logically, one would assume that they would be rotating around an ultimate consciousness, that we call God.

Maybe I'm stretching things a bit there, but the point I'm trying to make is that every being in every dimension is moving or rotating(not necessarily by itself, but as a part of something, like how we are rotating as part of the Earth, which is part of the solar system, which is part of the galaxy, all of which are rotating), therefore, one can never have an accurate idea of time, except for that ultimate consciousness, who we can assume is not moving. From that ultimate consciousness's point of view, time is constant and eternal, and every being "below" simply experiences it differently, depending on their location and how fast they're moving.

reply to post by np6888




So simplified, time=movement within space.....

And of course each movement probability creates a parallel wave function, thus making a parallel universe..

reply to post by np6888

From that ultimate consciousness's point of view, time is constant and eternal, and every being "below" simply experiences it differently, depending on their location and how fast they're moving.

Whilst a theory still, it is not something I find I am in disagreement with.
Though I tend not to get into the new age collective stuff too much
Great response.
Thx.

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


In the 'what the bleep do we know video', I was surprised that no one took into account that the presence of the camera itself had altered the wave of the electron as it was being propelled through the two slits. I wonder if a camera was placed equidistant from the other camera (neutralizing the charge), or opposing one another, if the results would be different?

The camera could very well have caused the electron to 'not' split due to the camera's electromagnetic interference.

As the camera, 'We' also have an electromagnetic 'charge' all around us. The cherished 'halo' effect (warm glowing feeling) comes from being in 'tune' with the cosmos or higher order(outside Earth-world). When you Love another, the right way, you glow due to the conjoining of two 'entities' of energy into One. When the Soul is involved, not just the act, it's much more powerful than a simple hormone rush from performing the act itself.

"If our eyes are connected to the 'refractive' photoreceptors in the brain, then that would make the eyes "the window of the Soul", since our eyes capture the very Light we need for sight, as well as insight."
^P.A.^

We are 'here' at 'this' time for a Reason.
One tends to gravitate, magnetically towards what one needs, especially if one listens from inside.

If energy is free, so is the halo?
And I need to pay attention.
I do my best.
@FOcUs@


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Strange comment, but here it goes:

When I was young I always had a hard time looking others in the eye. It wasn't until later in life that I began to understand why. I often didn't like what I saw and didn't smile without reason. I was serious most of the time though when around the right people, could laugh to stomach cramps. One look, the same way, usually did it. Connex-ion. Know what I mean? Interesting huh? |O|

The problem was, I was focusing in a defensive way on what I thought I should see first, rather than what is Best. When you're young, it's good to be cautious. Especially 'these' days. Wow!

I've learned to focus on the better half, the under-developed half when I see one today.....as well as myself. As *diamonds* in the ruff. As a being~n~Beeing. It helps to smile and be genuine at the same time.

We are all a 'work in progress'.
Insomnia, always an issue with myself.
My mind is always racing, exploring, searching, watching.
It Is a fascinating world when we are to See it as it Is.....meant to be seen.

One's internal compass, should lead us in the right direction.
Meanwhile, most will follow the maps of others.

Welcome to our matrix?
No thanks.
I'll pass.
You?

Perception Is what we make it.
Night folks.
2012
Don't get 'folked'!


[edit on 15-2-2010 by Perseus Apex]

Good post. I'm always excited when people talk about extra dimensions. I read Micheo Kaku's book Hyperspace when I was 20 years old and it was a life changing experience. It's impossible to visualize higher dimensions because our brains haven't evolved enough. However, I believe we will get there as long as we don't destroy ourselves or mother nature destroys us.

I believe time is the new dimension that we must "master" and perceive. We perceive the three spacial dimensions fairly well, but time is this higher dimension that we have just recently discovered. Philosophy recognized it and Einstein blew everyone away with his explanation of it, but we still have just barely scratched the surface of perceiving it. I often wonder if time is actually spacial, but we just can't "see" it yet.

When we gain a higher dimensional perspective complexity becomes more simple. It seems that the path of our evolution leads us to gain higher dimensional perspective. From single cell organisms to aquatic animals to mammals to humans, we have gradually gained higher dimensional perspective.

I don't think there's any question we live in hyperspace. That is why we are struggling with describing gravity so much. Gravity exists in hyperspace. That also could be where all the missing matter is. Once we grasp the next dimension we will be able to use it and move through it. Like gods, angels or aliens. Which ever is your flavor.

Gradual dimensional perspective. That is my "theory of evolution."

So theoretically we could leave Earth in a space craft via wormhole, and upon exit be X amount of light years away from Earth and then return to Earth via a different wormhole to a different time back on Earth?

Can traveling great distances in space at super accelerated speeds, i.e. wormholes take you into the 4th dimension in our own Reality?

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
zazzafrazzza I'm glad your chatting about this jazz because we have picture and physical evidence that something from another world is visiting us. Some ufos can only be seen with infra red cameras witch implies they could be existing in a dimension we can't see.

Infrared light is still light. Are you suggesting that when we look into space with infrared the reason we see gasses that appear transparent normaly is that we are actually observing another universe?

We cannot see touch taste or in anyway at present detect anything outside our universe or brane. So we certainly wouldn't be able to flick on the infrared and peer onto a parallel universe.

The reason is that our strings (if string theory/m-theory holds true) are attached to our brane. As Jkrog stated earlier only gravitons seem to be able to leave our brane. This is because unlike the open ended strings that make up other particles gravitons are loops. Since they are in a loop shape there is no end to be tethered to our brane.

This is why it's speculated that only way to detect extra dimensions we must lose gravitons in a particle collision. It is also speculated that the only way to detect other brane-worlds would be through very strong gravity waves or gravitational anomolies.

These very same reasons make it a nearly impossible speculation that we could ever traverse hyperspace and reach another brane. The reason is that as long as our strings are attached to the surface of our brane they behave by the physical laws that govern our brane. We have no clue what hyperspace physics look like let alone physics on another brane.

Imagine you leap off of our brane into hyperspace. What if hyperspace has inredible rate of entropy? You could find yourself instantly evaporated into particles that obey hyperspace laws or you may completely disappear altogether.

The only multiversal travel that I believe to be plausible (because we don't understand hyperspace physics) would be to traverse wormholes connecting branes with similar physical laws.

It would be truely gruesom to end up on a brane with a weaker strong force. You would literaly be "dust in the wind".

I can't wait to get some real data on these issues. The mathematics just allows for to much play. We can't really tell where to draw the line with our flights of physical fancy without hard data. The LHC should help us a great deal in answering at least wether or not we're on the right track.

Sometimes I think the repercussions of not finding the Higgs Boson/Graviton would be more intruiging then finding it. If we don't find it it's literally back to the drawing board. Waaaaaaaaaaaay back to the drawing board

S & F Zazz

[edit on 16-2-2010 by constantwonder]

Originally posted by jkrog08
reply to post by zazzafrazz

 

Yea, but a "gap" in what? Spacetime? Well then where and WHEN will you be? You would have to find some way to make time static, if not you will both move forward in space AND time.

Which theoretically I think could be done with the right technology. If you could somehow encompass your craft in a zero phase state(think "warp drive")....

[edit on 2/15/2010 by jkrog08]

Tachyon field. Although Tachyons are considered to be a fatal flaw in most physical theories they could be used for superluminal travel if they were ever proven to exsist.

Since tachyons have only imaginary mass it would be possible to build some piece of technology to either attract or generate tachyons. This would generate a tachyon field allowing anything within to travel at speeds exceeding c. Inside the tachyon field time and space would behave normaly.

Again I do understand that tachyons are hypothetical and a complete nightmare for particle physicist.

Originally posted by constantwonder

Imagine you leap off of our brane into hyperspace. What if hyperspace has inredible rate of entropy? You could find yourself instantly evaporated into particles that obey hyperspace laws or you may completely disappear altogether.

I was trying to allude to something similar to this earlier except you phrased it far better than I could.

IRM

It is always interesting when intelligent persons try to understand the workings of the Universe. Your point about the way in which photons are able to pass through vitrified Silicon Dioxide [glass] unaffected is almost true but not really true. To explain to you my science is impossible. It is so complicated that I do not know where to begin. Even if I were to write a book it would not enable you to understand. However I must try. So here are a few of my own thoughts.
In my understanding there are only three state of particularization in existance. Atoms and Electrons and Photons. Atoms are the same as electron but possess mass [kinetic resistance]. Electrons are the same as atom but possess zero mass. Photon are the same as electron but are moving where as electrons are relatively stationary.
Interdimensional travel or viewing is a fundimental attribute of consciousness. Consciousness can be likened to the two dimensional surface of a body of water. The subconsciousness can be likened to the three dimensional air above and the water below that two dimensional surface. So as a two dimensional thing our consciousness cannot comprehend the higher domain of the subconsciousness. The subconsciousness is relatively speaking an infinite terratory where as our mundain consciousness is relatively finite in character. By entering into our subconsciousness through dreaming or in meditative states of mind we actually can know other time and space coordinates.
Albert Einstein called this "The Folding of the Fabric of Time and Space". Others speak of it as "Worm Holes in Space and Time". To others it is the "Quantum Entanglement". The ancients would called it "Star Gate". Take a sheet of paper. It is a two dimensional surface. Draw a point A and a point B. The distance between point A and point B is about three inches. Point A and point B are separated by space and it takes time to travel the three inches between them. But that is only because they exist in two dimensional space. If we introduce a third dimension we are then able to fold the paper in that third dimension. In folding the paper we join point A to point B. Then the separation between point A and point B is zero. No separation.
In actual reality [higher dimensionality] what we experience as "particularization" is no more than illusion. We imagine such "particularization" because our mundain consciousness sees thus. In reality however there are only potentials within the ether. All "things" are merely vibrational in nature. Standing waves. Holographic in nature. Multidimensional. We see only one line of conduction [with in the fabric of time and space] as the materiality. The other potentials are ignored by our consciousness and none the less continue to exist but not to our consciousness. Thus when we enter our subconsciousness we are able to experience alternative lines of conduction. Dreams.
The Chinese sage LAO TZU wrote in the TAO TEH CHING [chapter 47] "Without leaving his door one can understand the world. Without glancing out of his window one can see the Tao of Heaven. The further one travels then the less one knows. That is why the sage does not travel and yet understands, does not look and yet names, does not act and yet completes".
As a further ellaboration try to understand that the "photons" only exist as and when you see [measure] them. They are not "particulate" until you "particularize" them by observing them. If no one is looking then they remain as mere potential [not actual] and as such do not have the particulate substance that your consciousness percieves them as possessing. In fact if you adjust your consciousness [hypnosis] then absolutely any substance becomes transparent to your perception. Thus using hypnosis many things become possible. Walls become transparent or the subject can see distant locations in time or and space. Dreaming.

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reply to post by jkrog08


What do you think could happen if we could create a gap in light?The gap being outside the object creating the gap.So then light would start to slow down around this object. Light would start going slower and slower until it is bent so much that it goes into the object.This would create a massive amount of time dilation.So the speed of light could change. Which could open a gateway. Some of you may have caught on already ,but this object could really be a black hole.

Originally posted by zazzafrazz
Light traveling through energy gaps is a key premise for me.

Like in the case of the Philidelphia Experiment. Arc welding was was used to fit ships with armor plated hulls.

"The spot-welding process employed an incredibly intense, high amperage discharge. The process was similar to modern MIG welding, but was conducted on a titanic scale. Electrical power for this welding process was supplied by a massive capacitor bank charged to high voltage. Several steel plates could be thoroughly welded by this process, the metal seams absolutely interpenetrated at the weld points. " - source

Welders began to notice small tools and items disappearing from around the electrical discharge as well as a mysterous black hazing effect of space near the blast. These strange disappearances promt the subsequent Project Rainbow and ultimately the Philidelphia Experiment where I believe lies a key piece to the puzzle known as The Theory of Everything!

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Now I must admit I don't really know much about the Philadelphia experiment, but I will read up on it.

reply to post by zazzafrazz


Didn't they put some kind of electromagnetic field over a ship and made it invisible? I heard about it briefly.

reply to post by zazzafrazz


Alright I understand how light can go through the gaps but how do we? I can understand if you could make a gap inside the light where you could travel but how about anything else?