To define evil and discus the way it works.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas
I don't believe in 'evil.' It's more of a human construct/concept that deflects responsibility from our actions. In other circumstances, it's a poor attempt to make sense of the worst excesses of humanity in general. Even worse is the knee-jerk reaction to personify natural disasters as outcomes of 'Evil (capital E!)'

It's a lingering relic from childhood where we conceived things as good versus bad. Despite of all that, it's something we recognise...

Chinua Achebe (poet) encapsulates the idea of evil in his poem, Vultures.

Vultures

In the greyness and drizzle of one despondent dawn
unstirred by harbingers
of sunbreak a vulture
perching high on broken
bones of a dead tree
nestled close to his
mate his smooth
bashed-in head, a pebble
on a stem rooted in
a dump of gross
feathers, inclined affectionately
to hers. Yesterday they picked
the eyes of a swollen
corpse in a water-logged
trench and ate the
things in its bowel. Full
gorged they chose their roost
keeping the hollowed remnant
in easy range of cold
telescopic eyes...

Strange indeed how love in other
ways so particular
will pick a corner
in that charnel-house
tidy it and coil up there, perhaps
even fall asleep - her face
turned to the wall! ...
Thus the Commandant at Belsen
Camp going home for
the day with fumes of
human roast clinging
rebelliously to his hairy
nostrils will stop
at the wayside sweet-shop
and pick up a chocolate
for his tender offspring
waiting at home for Daddy's return...

Praise bounteous providence if you will
that grants even an ogre
a tiny glow-worm
tenderness encapsulated
in icy caverns of a cruel
heart or else despair
for in the very germ
of that kindred love is
lodged the perpetuity
of evil.

Yeah, it's poetry and yeah I like it. Skeptics are a sum greater than their parts too

reply to post by juveous


As you seem to get my point.

Don't sweat about death. It's ineffability is only surpassed by it's Certainty in live.

Cycles of life ? Maybe I can help out ? As There is reason to believe al life and the universe To turn around again an again.

reply to post by Kandinsky


Cool poem ! It really puts evil on a shelf next to loaf of bread some bot er and a walk in the Forrest.
Starting a fresh and positivity on Monday, exterminating day.

I liked it.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


Hey Sinter. We'll get there. Like most things in life, some things are true, some are not. Not all leadership is "bad," just because our leaders today are corrupt - and knowing most of the problems are caused by people who don't know what they want nor know how they will solve the mess they've put us all in, the solution could no way be a leadership-free society. No such society exists, for there is always power, only in different forms. What we need, and the intelligent folks agree, is to remove the authority that serves no purpose, create consensus among people, and install new leadership based on what's good for the whole, thus ensuring true freedom.

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by juveous
Cycles of life ? Maybe I can help out ? As There is reason to believe al life and the universe To turn around again an again.

Something like that, how energy is simply constantly recycled, birth, death, birth, death.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


you are right to see evil of gods but you are wrong in thinking ignorance being its cause in humans behaviors

you should know that truth is, which mean that any act objectively real is always true at a certain perspective absolutely and that is how in any case it cant be the opposite with knowledge or will of change

conscious that has value are not to be cherished they are already cherished by gods that use them for their lives on earth

that is why all religious are evil for sure, the concept of superiority being a superior claim before another inferior conscious, that nonsense absurdity is of evil gods

you must understand what truth is to know how evil is

truth is about superiority of objective existance or objective reality life as the sense of conscious going towards it positively, but since superiority is the objective all then it means a subjective sense of being superior existing as true living sense that everyone mean innerly

but when you mean really objective being superiority then that superior sense of living is always kept behind and corrected according to reality present by clarifying the living real

evil livings are not only the persons that deny objective reality as a whole being superiority feeling attracted to, but worse they plan to abuse any perspective of objective being negative as a whole reality so their sense of being superior living subjectively they can put it out as superiority itself objectively without meaning any objective nor any superiority of course

there is a lot of people like this and religious are all like this, they believe in zero and never in any superiority of reality whole, and they love to sense the weakness of the ground reality so they can preach about their god and feel superior then as a god to anyother listener there

what gods mean the most in evil is when it is broken by truth, so it is when conscious act as living from what existance reality is negative, that double impossible conditions break the possible survival of that evil extreme extend cases

double impossible conditions, existing reality cannot be whole negative and claim as conscious of existance existing
and second impossible condition, living sense is always about absolute positive free move reference, so living sense cannot at all mean even neutral sense of existing conscious, so when subjective living sense is because you see another living in suffer or struggle, this cant be existing, when obviously there is no point of positive true move

it happens all of what truth is not at all what gods are alive in creations through, you must be real independant of gods life at some point to be a true conscious reference to yourself perspective as real

evil livings in creations mean clearly taking advantage of powers pretenses while knowing not being those powerful livings and being mortals like others they are happy to see in deep trouble or objective reality that they are happy to conspire against

now gods as evil sources, it is the drive essentially of gods conscious life, they mean only the superior sense of conscious one life absolutely and they mean nothing of absolute reality as objective superiority life

nature said it all of her life as superior creator, then god said it all of his life as superior rewards from creations enforced

that is why surely humans are, because in being mortals objective reality is more alive, like you can hear people saying living because of their children or countries living after them and even some talk about humanity concerns as source of themselves pride as livings

only because to consider truth is a value that it is rare to choose so it must be enforced in some ways allowing truth to be the justification of life reality and not the livings

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


"Evil" is truely an illusion created by benevolence to teach you what is and what is not.

Without darkness how would you know of the light brothers and sisters.

reply to post by concernedcitizan


You totally figured it out.

As for the evil doers and our leaders.

I agree not all leaders are bad. I'm certain their are some 100 % devoted to their Job and responsibility.

As I see evil roaming through society. I see it does so in small numbers. On a small neighborhood as well as globally.

I assume almost everybody experienced evil like this. How just 3 or 4 problem causing kids can destabilize the neighborhood your live in. Getting it's inhabitants afraid , insecure un save and paranoid. Ironically the evil at the top steering society to this point.
After all a little ass whooping would probably be enough. Even I was once believed as such an evil do er.

Around the age of 16 to 20, I and my friends always occupied the streets an Basketball court Just 20 m from where I live. Well about 10 to 20 of us around, a few drinks and youthful carelessness, occasionally something broke. Later I heard this period, people at the other side of town warned others not to go by or through my peace of neighborhood.

Absolutely astonished hearing this of course. We never ever were aggressive or give people any cause to think we would always a happy bunch.

The reason for evil to be with just a few . Their goals would not succeed if they didn't.
People will cause problems turning them in or blow the whistle. But a few can stay secret , and vast resource only needs for 1 corruptible guy at the right place and time. To be all they need creating chaos.

As such I see this happen in society today.
Sounds familiar ? Or way of your ideas about it ?

reply to post by imans


After reading your words. I'm sorry but I seem te be unable to understand.
What you just said to be evil.
Please difine evil in a few words ? If you please ?

We'll go from there.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


As modern people we're accustomed to see life in binary terms: living a positive life is to be happy, living a negative life is to be sad. As soon as one dwells deeper into this dualism, one discovers a flaw: life is not, and has never been, only a journey of happiness and comfort. More likely it's often a struggle, and feeling sad, lonely or depressed is a part of this experience. In other words, being sad is not "negative," it's actually quite healthy, in sane proportions.

Most people today are afraid of being hurt, either physically or emotionally, because they're already unstable enough. This gives birth to what I call the truly negative way of living life: feeling neither happiness nor sadness, going through life as a shallow, indifferent organism without individual response to the world around us. I call this the modern lifestyle of indifference.

Modern indifference is anti-life

reply to post by concernedcitizan


Indifference huh... ? Yes

I see it, is it not, we as the public are absolutely overwhelmed with bad news, violence, fear , terrorism. and so on.

I remember as a kid growing up I was never confronted with this much violence and other human imperfections. My years were full of Mario and sonic, pacman. And cartoons always about the battle between good end evil at the time never actually a character died as it also did not in The Ateam or The knight rider and Air Wolf or Macgyver.
This has changed and now I see myself finishing dinner while watching two guys brutally beheaded and I think by my self, Idiot Army was not the best choice in life.
I feel shame realising this.

Tptb control the media.

If this isn't causing indifference, what is ?

reply to post by Psychonaughty


happiness is always the initial state awakeness as conscious abstraction means, what lead to darkness is what abstraction dont mean the happiness of absolute life before meaning its absolute living states

so you get attacked by what you meant to step on as not existing, then it is not the path of light at all, it is path of compromise to always mean your happiness but in protecting yourself from others realistically

the proof is what no god is talking about rights and they put a miserable human to say the rights they never mean and never will

they only mean like they meant at the first place as i mean to torture them by forcing them to be what they always meant doing, as the only sense of right

your defense of darkness is what you love it as a source of yourself life feeling then living because all is inferior as dark

lot of inferiors conscious react as you to be existing conscious, but it doesnt mean that it is a general rule nor that it is right

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


This existential indifference manifests itself in all parts of our society. We find it in love, where people seem incapable of truly loving, caring and understanding for another human being, instead jumping from bedroom to bedroom, in search of some form of security that we deep down inside know we won't be able to find under the sheets of a stranger. We find it in friendship, where people manipulate and use each other for their own ends, even though they are the ones who really lose the game, since they ultimately have no one to trust other than themselves. We find it in politics, where the people in power don't give a dime about how their people live boring, meaningless lives at office desks, slaving away 8 hours every day for soulless corporations that only care about short-term profits.

But most of all, we find it in our so called "culture," consisting out of Coca Cola commercials, pop star queens and exhibits created to provoke our morality, but having little or none to communicate with us. This is the most negative way of living life, because it reduces our existence to a shell without emotions and soul. We wander like dead robots from birth to school, from university to work, from family to death, without having experienced anything of lasting meaning. Our value system reflects this state of living: we use slogans about collective freedom and justice to defend our own individual position, even though we live lives that ultimately do not only threaten our own existence, but the life of all organisms on this planet.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


evil is the living superiority sense when it is one living

because truth is the right relation between true living and absolute reality objectivity

absolute objectivity must be the source of true living

you must feel well because the sense of well you mean is absolutely there objectively real, its abstraction make you then realize being well

that is how truth is, always from certainty absolute abstractions realisations , then it is another thing to realize as absolutely existing and puting it out allow the true subjectively to be more real

there is always two true realities, objective one is absolutely, and subjective one is only the absolute move as living free one

but the absolute move as living must be the result of objective absolute realisations, so even conscious like us humans must realize objective absolute reality first out before having the sense of living move as existing cosncious abstraction itself reality one

but also for gods, they create out of absolute realities existance, and that is why they jump to claim their living sense from those creations

they apply the equation but in evil ways of fake in superficial forms and never substance

it is evil because what you put out must stay out and then logically you would get a sense of you as living if what you put out is absolutely real,

what they dont do say what they mean exclusively them as absolute livings oness and never any absolute reality they would admit realizing or existing objectively

it shows how truth as abstractions absolutely need a true sense of love so who observe it can mean it entirely without meaning itself for a while
but who cannot mean himself and mean such superior abstractions must be superior too, as not caring about himself knowing that he exist even if he is not existing objectively and not even subjectively he means it

and this cannot exist, you cannot be superior and act such selfless, see gods how it is impossible, so it is all about loving positive truth as positive absolute abstractions life , and if you love that it means that you are true that is why, so truth is love by the means that the drive is the perfect superiority life as objective reality not you

everytime you find yourself existing from what you realize objectively, your love to perfect life absolutely objective would make you realize another point out to give it to objective reality truth that should make it alive absolutely, and then you sense in yourself another living point well it can be you but then you would realize it constantly objectively from you as living reality you are abstractly its means

so that is why it looks like a correct definition i say about evil

when superiority is perceived as anyone even god or gods or others or oneself living then it is evil

superiority is the always move absolutely, so it is not moving relatively for something or of something reacting to, it is really superior absolute move and constantly and freely, evolution always absolutely

but since it is truth like this from the abstraction of absolute reality in free space then you as true like this is normal only one and everyone is like this hypothetically and always absolute truth objectively is like this present real alive, but everyone is like this not as conscious drive
because conscious belongs too the freedom of truth while it is the closest to truth since abstraction skills the only way to recognize truth affiliation with

sorry for rambling here and spoiling your thread, i hate gods too much and i cant do anything for my humiliations in hells made just to abuse myself

reply to post by imans


If you think it's post related it's worth posting

Let me explain what I think you mean.

Gods are a lie. what's fed by superiority This lie is always in the move. Those feeling superior make it so.

Then there is you aware of being just a wheel in the machine.
Realising you are the machine but not more then the machine is without you.

This understanding brings peace. and serenity. For you to be able letting go the machine does it for you. Enjoy life and the freedom not to be bound to the machine.

Am I close ?

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


yes you catch the original idea of free conscious true thought, by saying the last sentence, you dont have to do anything because everything is perfect always

but that gods are a lie, well no i see what you mean by this lie but they are all and that is why all really is the worse noone can imagine how worse it is

reply to post by imans


so evil is conscious life as opposition to truth life, from gods positions as existant conscious freedom out of absolute freedom life

humans can pretend being free conscious out of their bodies and matters life only because gods are that conscious life, because gods eternal existance, that they can be detached of absolute life principle as making their abstract bodies reactions life from being conscious of and choose to move out of it to cosncious freedom life eternity
so out of absolute reality while meaning above it since meaning its own conscious life one as all

that is why there are two conditions for evil life

when human as conscious act existing out of reality existance by meaning reality existance being negative and his existance then positive free out

and when human as conscious act as living one out of living reality by meaning another living being negative and therefore his life positive then free out of life reality conception

reply to post by imans


Yes. I think I get it.

I'd like to show you a video.I really recommend watching it !!
It shows the experience of both. Do to a Brain aneurysm.

Well... I think it is.
How it feels to have a stroke. Enjoy !

For the people interested.
Why ordinary people do evil... or de good.
A study about us proving we are just sheep. Beheheeh !

reply to post by concernedcitizan


You've got a point.

But there are also people actually feeling satisfied like this and don't wish for more.
It would probably create chaos, if 6.000.000.000 did what they feel like doing.

I do agree with you. I 'm just pointing out some problems.
Of course they wouldn't exist if we didn't get fooled in the first place.

Ancient history.
It's human nature. There are those who rule and those who follow. This is embedded deep in society. To deep IMO.

Maybe it's time we wake up. Otherwise we simply go on till destruction.

Think about it ?
How on Earth would it be possible to ignore natural evolution gained instincts and behaviour ?
Unless you give God a place in life ( and death ). We can only hope 2012 actually brings us to the next step in evolution. But that new age crap looks more and more like religion to me every time I'm confronted with it.

I personally do not rule out both ideas. I experienced to much of unexplained things what for me definitely means there is more to life then we know. If it it's also about death ? I don't know.

I do know we are at the top of the food chain. A position not easily achieved.




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